Bobhuffman
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I always liked him in Melee, but he seemed sucky to me has he been changed in his speed/weight/moveset ?
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Is Yoshi Better In Melee or Brawl?
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FF WuvS
Smash Ace
I would have to say Brawl for one reason, he has a thrid jump now! But I still love him in Melee!
Bobhuffman
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YES! Thank God they finally added one!
FF WuvS
Smash Ace
Yeah read Yoshi's profile on Smash Dojo. Here's the quote
"Yoshi’s back and bursting with personality! He can launch consecutive attacks and even smack around enemies below him mid-flight.
Among other things, *he can now use his up special move, the Egg Toss, to increase the distance of his jump.* That’s enough to earn him a hearty welcome, isn’t it?
"Yoshi’s back and bursting with personality! He can launch consecutive attacks and even smack around enemies below him mid-flight.
Among other things, *he can now use his up special move, the Egg Toss, to increase the distance of his jump.* That’s enough to earn him a hearty welcome, isn’t it?
straight8
Banned via Warnings
considering brawl hasn't been released yet, how are we supposed to know?
I would like to think he's top tier..
I would like to think he's top tier..
~GregDang!~
Smash Master
He is better now cuz now u can jump after an air dodge.
InvincibleAgent
Smash Lord
I liked him best in Smash 64. 
FF WuvS
Smash Ace
0_0? What? No one can perform a jump after a mid-air dodge
Yosher
Smash Ace
Not in Melee, but you can in Brawl. You don't get into a helpless-state after an airdodge anymore, making up for the lack of directional airdodge.
FF WuvS
Smash Ace
Wow that is probably one of the coolest things they could have added!
The biggest thing is:
We can't really tell yet.
Sorry to burst your bubble folks, but a few days at E-for-all isn't really enough to tell. Now, I'm not saying he's worse off, I'm just saying we can't tell yet.
But another jump IS nice.
We can't really tell yet.
Sorry to burst your bubble folks, but a few days at E-for-all isn't really enough to tell. Now, I'm not saying he's worse off, I'm just saying we can't tell yet.
But another jump IS nice.
FF WuvS
Smash Ace
For Yoshi, another jump is really good!
bigman40
Smash Master
hmmm......that opens up a lot more strats now that I think about it. A third jump, nearly disjointed atks, thats a deadly combination!
Yosher
Smash Ace
The third jump is more like a stall really as people said, like Mario's cape. Though it's still good he has this ability, especially with directional airdodges gone.
domiNate
Smash Apprentice
Don't forget that not having a double jump cancel in brawl is a really really bad thing. Don't jump to conclusions just because he has a "third jump." We're just going to have to wait and see.
bigman40
Smash Master
It may be bad to some people, but not me.
FF WuvS
Smash Ace
Why?
Yeah really, i don't know how to perform it but i still kill everyone without it.
domiNate
Smash Apprentice
Not having a djc means less combo options for yoshi. The djc is a huge part of melee yoshi's advanced game. Watch some Fumi videos and you'll be amazed at how sick Fumi's yoshi is and you'll notice how important the djc is to melee yoshi's game. And once again, we only know an extremely small amount of info on brawl. Remember that we're only seeing things from a demo. We really won't know until a while after brawl is released and we figure out all the advanced techniques and tricks with each character to see how they all match up.
Of course it is you CAN'T combo without it sense Yoshi's short hop isn't that good its much better to do this sense its faster and rally just better all around sense you should now by now that short hoping and waved dashing are just about the most important advanced techniques
i have no doubt that he will be higher tire than ever
agreeeeeed. djc speeds up yoshi's game and sometimes it's like he's hunting you down *__*. And I second that. Watch some Fumi vids. There's a thread with them there in the yoshi character forum for Melee. without djc.. yoshi might be a lot slower in the air. but his second jump and it's arc/length could open new things up too for brawl.
...though, it's just, djc was turbo hypersonic domination
. i see there being even less options for yoshi with there still being no jump out of shield : (. He does have crazy range though on his moves now ^_^.. well from what i read of what E4all-ers experienced.
Deception
Smash Ace
No one can assume that Yoshi is better or worse after 4 days at E for All or watching videos. Gimpy has some info on some of the things that have changed for Yoshi, but he states that we have yet to learn how this new Yoshi plays. If we have no idea how to use him yet, than we can't assume if he is better or worse.
From what I gathered, he's better.
He has crazy range, that's always a good thing. And his recovery is more reliable. Not necessarily only because of the egg throw jump... I mean, think about it. If his double jump just keeps going after he uses an attack, he could freely defend himself from edgeguarders with everything he has.
Also, according to Gimpy, all characters seemed rather close in terms of potential except for Ike. Since Yoshi was rather bad in Melee for lack of a reliable recovery and the inability to jump out of his shield... he can only be better in comparison if everyone's closer in terms of potential.. or something... I think I confused myself here.
Oh, and if he keeps the weight increase from the double jump even while performing aerials during it, he would have incredible priority in his air game!
I should ask about these things in Gimpy's thread...
Anyway, I'm hoping for mid-tier.
He has crazy range, that's always a good thing. And his recovery is more reliable. Not necessarily only because of the egg throw jump... I mean, think about it. If his double jump just keeps going after he uses an attack, he could freely defend himself from edgeguarders with everything he has.
Also, according to Gimpy, all characters seemed rather close in terms of potential except for Ike. Since Yoshi was rather bad in Melee for lack of a reliable recovery and the inability to jump out of his shield... he can only be better in comparison if everyone's closer in terms of potential.. or something... I think I confused myself here.
Oh, and if he keeps the weight increase from the double jump even while performing aerials during it, he would have incredible priority in his air game!
I should ask about these things in Gimpy's thread...
Anyway, I'm hoping for mid-tier.
Akiak
Smash Ace
what is the djc? I don't have melee.
I'll get brawl tho
I'll get brawl tho
Double jump cancel.
get it there are so many things you will be able to experance in melee that won't be in brawl
not that Brawl doesnt pwn
iron blade
Smash Ace
the new air dodge system is awesome. yoshi really needed a third jump, even if it was a smaller one, and he got it. it sucks that you can't djc though.
Yo'ster
Smash Rookie
It appears that a lot of people are missing Yoshi's djc already. Honestly, I think that Brawl needs to be played thoroughly before many judgements can be made. For example, imagine a fair to knock them off the ground into the air, jumping into an upair, air dodging through their counter attack, and using a nair on the way back down.
That may not be the best combo, but there is potential in combining Yoshi's full jump with his attacks. Like Gimpy said, we'll need to find a whole new way of playing Yoshi.
The stalling third jump isn't much now that air dodging isn't directional, but it's at least a minimum. I do wish that Yoshi could jump out of his shield though, and that his shield roll might speed up.
Will Brawl's Yoshi be better than Melee? I think it will depend on the player and their ability to adapt to new strategies.
That may not be the best combo, but there is potential in combining Yoshi's full jump with his attacks. Like Gimpy said, we'll need to find a whole new way of playing Yoshi.
The stalling third jump isn't much now that air dodging isn't directional, but it's at least a minimum. I do wish that Yoshi could jump out of his shield though, and that his shield roll might speed up.
Will Brawl's Yoshi be better than Melee? I think it will depend on the player and their ability to adapt to new strategies.
Yoshi'stheBombers7
Smash Journeyman
By what it sounds he is better, but he's going to have a new stratigy list due to the fact most of them evolved from his DJC.
Chepe
Smash Lord
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People are way too attached to DJC. Yes, I will also be playing Yoshi really bad at first because I am used to DJC, but the whole second jump momentum thing has much much MUCH potential for a completely new and more effective way to use Yoshi.
Imagine an uair at the start of the second jump that hits your opponent up, and the second jump continues which means you caught up to them and were able to deliver a second hit like a nair or dair? And we dont even know if his "super armor" from the second jump is still applied when using aerials during the second jump. Also, air dodging during the second jump should give you the longest air dodge range in the game, which will be incredibly useful for recovering from under the ledge...
Imagine an uair at the start of the second jump that hits your opponent up, and the second jump continues which means you caught up to them and were able to deliver a second hit like a nair or dair? And we dont even know if his "super armor" from the second jump is still applied when using aerials during the second jump. Also, air dodging during the second jump should give you the longest air dodge range in the game, which will be incredibly useful for recovering from under the ledge...
kunai_abuser
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I think that super-armor+upward momentum with a dair will turn out good for Yoshi
I don't think I can make a comparison yet... actually ever. Remember, characters feel and play differently from Melee to Brawl. Yoshi might look alike, but his moves may be altered and these new features he's been given in Brawl definitely makes it hard to compare. Besides, we haven't even played this game yet.
kunai_abuser
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It's kinda fun to speculate, but yeah it isn't good to get hopes up, or expect the worst yet.
Yoshi'stheBombers7
Smash Journeyman
Good point. However, speculating is fun, and it's not bad to look at how the character changed and what new strategies might be used.
Layupfreak
Smash Ace
I think yoshi has recived some buffs in brawl except for DJC is gone, but who really cares.
Yoshi mains.
Yosher
Smash Ace
Yeah, Yoshi's reach seems to be on his side this time around. And I like his new ftilt, it seems stronger than the kick in Melee. And we probably might not be able to really compare Melee Yoshi to Brawl Yoshi, but maybe when the first Tier list is made, we can tell wether he actually improved or not.
W.Jr
Smash Lord
i would have to go with brawl.