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ok thanks I wanted to know that , and btw thanksfor the lucas and ness thing. I am practicing a lot bcuz maybe in the next summer I will try to go to texas or florida( i have family in both places) to assist some big tourney there.Way too risky and situational for my tastes. I'd rather just chase them off stage using traditional methods, such as back air or forward air wall of pains. The only time I ever use Up B as an edge gaurd are against Lucas and Ness to steal their thunder.