I understand what u r all saying about the clones, I can also understand why u may chose to view them as distinct enough that u wouldn't consider them clones but the fact of the matter is that at there core they r clones. No amount of denial or"explanation"can overwrite that, if Im not mistaken SBB might have the higest count of clones char ever featured in a fighter.
The only possible way you could claim that all of those characters are true clones is by claiming that anyone with even a single move identical to another is a clone. In which case Samus and Captain Falcon are clones due to having the same shoulder-bash dash attack, Mario and Sonic are clones due to sharing the same neutral A punch-punch-kick combo, Sonic and Fox are clones due to sharing the same uair flip-kick, and God knows how much else. Characters have been sharing a handful of similar moves since game 1, simply because there are only so many ways you can punch/kick/swing a sword/etc.
The simple fact is that two of the characters you listed are not clones at all without using that kind of inane definition, so discounting them already brings Brawl's clone count down below Melee (6 to 7), and most of the others share so few moves that considering them the same as Melee's 6 non-Luigi clones is a laughable thought at best. Just look at some of the videos of Lucas and Wolf for crying out loud - they're not even close to Ness and Fox. If they had different special attacks, they couldn't be considered clones of any sort at all. To say that Brawl is worse than Melee in this area is utterly laughable and only makes you look ignorant.
And as for that last, you must never have heard of that DBZ game with over 100 characters.
Way more clones than any other fighter, from what I've heard.
You guys do realize Ike and Lucario are clones of M2 and Marth right, as i mentioned before the differences are only in animation. How anyone can honestly sit here and argue that is beyond me....
Because we've actually watched them play and noticed that they're nothing of the sort. How you could claim anything like that without having never seen a good-quality video of them is utterly baffling. Hell, we've known Ike was nothing even close to a Marth clone since E for All. Here, since I have time, I'll even give you a complete breakdown of their moves:
Dash attack: Marth slashes low, tripping his opponent up. Ike takes a swipe at his opponent's chest, knocking them back. Not cloned.
Neutral A combo: Marth does a series of vertical slashes. Ike does a punch-punch-stomp combo. Not cloned.
F-tilt: Marth does a quick, upward vertical slash. Ike does a nearly horizontal slash. Not cloned.
U-tilt: Marth does a vertical overhead slash. Ike slams his sword's hilt upward. Not cloned.
D-tilt: Marth stabs his sword out quickly. Ike slashes his horizontally. Similar to Link, but not cloned.
F-smash: Marth does a quick, one-handed vertical slash. Ike does a slow, two-handed vertical slash. Similar, but not cloned (Ike's is actually taken from the SSB64 Link).
D-smash: Marth crouches and slashes on both sides of his feet. Ike remains standing and slashes low on both sides. Similar, but all characters have that same concept for this move, and differ only in whether they use their feet or a weapon for it. Not cloned.
U-Smash: Marth stabs his sword straight above him. Ike swings his in a huge, 270 degree arc around and over his body. Not cloned.
Nair: Marth does a spinning double horizontal slash. Ike does a 270 degree vertical slash around his body. Not cloned.
Fair: Marth does a quick, one-handed vertical slash. Ike does a slow, two-handed vertical slash. Similar, but not cloned.
Dair: Marth does a vertical slash below him. Ike does a sword plant ala Link. Not cloned.
Uair: Marth does a vertial slash above him. Ike twirls his sword above himself helicopter-style. Not cloned.
Bair: Marth does a quick, vertical slash behind him. Ike does an insanely fast horizontal slash that turns him around. Not cloned.
Specials:
B: Marth has Shield Breaker, a chargeable forward thrust. Ike has Eruption, a chargeable move where he stabs the ground with his sword, causing flames to erupt in a pillar in front of him. Both can be charged, but so can DK's punch, Link's arrows, and many, many other neutral B moves, and they are otherwise nothing alike. Not cloned.
Side B: Marth has Dancing Blade, an elaborate sword combo. Ike has Quick Draw, a chargeable, charging sword slash. Not cloned.
Up B: Marth has Dolphin slash, a quick, vertical, jumping slash attack. Ike has Aether, a move straight from his game where he throws his sword above him, leaps up and grabs it, then plummets while it before him to strike foes below him. Not cloned.
Down B: Both have counter. Their only cloned move.
Final Smash: Marth has Critical Hit, an insanely quick, single-stroke, instant-kill move. Ike has Great Aether, an elaborate mid-air sword combo followed by a plummet to the ground which ends in an explosion. Not cloned.
I'd do the same for Lucario/Mewtwo, but I don't have quite that much free time to spend on this. Just watch some Lucario videos and figure it out for yourself. They're no more so clones than Ike and Marth.
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