Is anyone else obsessed with Tipper jabs/f-tilts?!

[Weimdog]

Cosmo, I need to eat what you're eating

p.s. this:

Since apparently now Upsmash is part of the marth metagame.

was me being funny.
Unless Cactuar has made that true somehow.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Cactuar does use the usmash a lot.

 

[KirbyKaze]

cactus also doesn't waveshine vs darkrain's falcon

just because it works for him doesn't mean it will work for humans not cacti

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I don't actually have a response, so I'll just say...

Sheik board style flame! Take that!

 

[DtJ Jungle]

no elven its more like htis

******** argument

circular argument

irrelevant argument

flame

flame

**** you flame.

 

[KirbyKaze]

you

forgot

pound

3

 

[DtJ Jungle]

HAHAHAHHAHAH yes i did

how could i forget the only tournament in the nation ever that ever mattered.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

It's kinda sad how true all that is.

 

[Bil]

I find it funny how 2-Tone instantly disappeared from the thread right when cosmo ***** him.

 

[soap]

Jabs yes, ftilts, not so much.

I mean sure, it's useful, but generally speaking, there's something better.

Utilt and dtilt both start up faster and have less lag, fsmash is only about three frames slower in coming out and winds down in just thirteen frames more.

Grabs and reverse Dolphin Slashes are worth mentioning too.

ftilt hitbox starts from the bottom up, and u dont lean forward as much and expose yourself to that jigglypuff/sheik bair.

dsmash is hella fast btw, five frames (=to sheik dsmash) as opposed to ten for fsmash, which as i said starts up top so its actually slower than ten out to front.

watch that cosmo v. 4% set, one game ends with a crouch cancelled dsmash ko, wtf? Uthrow usmash is good on fastfallers cuz they are in mental stun for two seconds going wtf he usmashed me and forget to tech.

 

[Proverbs]

Uthrow usmash is good on fastfallers cuz they are in mental stun for two seconds going wtf he usmashed me and forget to tech.

Yes! I love using U-smash at mid percents especially. This way when they miss their tech they get a tipped f-smash to the face. Fun stuff.

I once accidentally combo'ed into a running u-smash. My friend, who was a lot better than me at the time (probably still is), looked at me and said "Wow...I was definitely not expecting that." Best reason to use upsmash--it's never expected (but don't quote me on that).

 

[Zjiin]

Best reason to use upsmash--it's never expected

Someone put this in their sig, QUICK!

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Okay, I've been trying the ftilt... it's got a whole lot more knockback than I thought. So yeah, I approve!

 

[Proverbs]

Someone put this in their sig, QUICK!

XD I totally saw that one coming after I posted that.

Okay, I've been trying the ftilt... it's got a whole lot more knockback than I thought. So yeah, I approve!

What did I tell you?


EDIT: Or maybe I didn't tell you...but I was thinking it!

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Fine fine fine, you were right, I was wrong =P

 

[soap]

if i could cstick the ftilt out of a pivot i might use it more, fsmash is just easier for lazy people

 

[SHDW23]

i actually think it's easy to pivot into attacks using A. i can do pivoted fsmashs and ftilts at will with A, but i can't pivot into an attack with the cstisk to save my life... maybe it's not if you learn using the cstick.

 

[ArcNatural]

i actually think it's easy to pivot into attacks using A. i can do pivoted fsmashs and ftilts at will with A, but i can't pivot into an attack with the cstisk to save my life... maybe it's not if you learn using the cstick.

I find pivoting into fsmashes easier with the c-stick, you can ask Proverbs, when I decide to do them I do

It's all about timing and situations. If I'm dashing forward and I want to pivot to Fsmash forward as well. I find that much easier to do with the c-stick (2 inputs -> dash away ->c-stick forward) instead of A (3 inputs -> dash away -> dash forward +A).

The one thing I WISH I could do is pivot dtilt/uptilt. Not even close to being accurate enough to pull those off. I don't even think it's possible with the dashing pivot method, only the flick method. And my flick method pivot's are slow.

 

[soap]

whats dash pivot method? i just dash, flick the other way releases

 

[ArcNatural]

whats dash pivot method? i just dash, flick the other way releases

Dash pivot is simply the one during the dash dance where you only have 1 frame to pivot. I don't think it's any more difficult than flick pivoting for smashes, it is harder for everything else though.

 

[SHDW23]

the way i pivot (which i guess has been labeled "dash-pivot") is to dash in one direction, dash the other direction (as if i was starting a dash-dance) and time hitting A with the one frame where marth is in the standing position. (it sounds harder than it is.) it is possible to use this method in your first turn or during a DD.

i haven't taught myself how to do the flick method, but i can pivot any smash (though you can jc the usmash and CC the dsmash), ftilts, and jabs using the dash pivot. in terms of pivoting the u and d-tilts i haven't been able to do that with dash-pivot, at the very least i think it would take really fast fingers and ridiculous timing.

[edit: wait. boston! how did i miss that? i'm going to school in boston (tufts) i'd like to play you guys (proverbs/arcnatural) sometime.]

 

[ArcNatural]

the way i pivot (which i guess has been labeled "dash-pivot") is to dash in one direction, dash the other direction (as if i was starting a dash-dance) and time hitting A with the one frame where marth is in the standing position. (it sounds harder than it is.) it is possible to use this method in your first turn or during a DD.

i haven't taught myself how to do the flick method, but i can pivot any smash (though you can jc the usmash and CC the dsmash), ftilts, and jabs using the dash pivot. in terms of pivoting the u and d-tilts i haven't been able to do that with dash-pivot, at the very least i think it would take really fast fingers and ridiculous timing.

[edit: wait. boston! how did i miss that? i'm going to school in boston (tufts) i'd like to play you guys (proverbs/arcnatural) sometime.]

PM me your availability, I normally pick up Proverbs from Wellington station on Tuesdays. And he actually goes to Emerson which is right next to Tufts so you might even be able to walk to his dorm/hotel.

The reason why I don't think you can uptilt dtilt with the dash pivot is because of the 1 frame turn (where you have to hit the opposite direction. You can hold slight right and full right to ftilt or fsmash. But there is no way you can do slight right to slight up without the up registering as an upsmash.

I could be wrong though and you possibly could be able to do the one frame turn with enough up direction held to uptilt.

 

[SHDW23]

i think you're right that i couldn't do it. i think it's probably possible though, given enough precision. it'd likely be easier just to learn the flick though.

 

[Proverbs]

Fine fine fine, you were right, I was wrong =P

Yes! I'm going to put this at the bottom of my signature where no one can see it unless they go to my profile!

 

[elvenarrow3000]

You get an addition to your signature, I get an addition to my Marth game. I'll make that trade any day.

 

[ArcNatural]

Proverbs stepping up his knowledge game? How could it be?

 

[Havokbringer]

I like using F-Tilt when I throw someone off the stage because if they don't sweet spot the edge they get *****.

That and D-Tilt.

 

[Proverbs]

Proverbs stepping up his knowledge game? How could it be?

I was wondering the same thing <.<;;

 

[Boxob.]

I rofl'd when 2-tone got *****.

Sorry, I'm in the wrong boards. >_>

Marth Utilt is cool though.

 

[Bailey]

except jiggs/pichu. Failure range.

Best ftilt is Yoshi's. honestly.

Jiggs F-tilt is really good just under used it is a good edge guarding tool against characters like Captain Falcon, Gannon or Ness. But against those characters you really shouldn't have to edge guard if you get them off the stage with Jiggs they should die lol

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I think Jigglypuff probably has better edgeguarding options like fsmash, dsmash or dash attack... or even just WoPs.

 

[Proverbs]

loljigglypuffdiscussioninMarthforum

 

[captain smashie01]

ftilt is better than fmash against space animals sweetspotting from above the ledge

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Yeah but... in those cases, why wouldn't you just go out with a fair?

 

[Cosmo!]

soap, ur sig. lmao

 

[Clone Z]

I'm pretty obsessed with fair->grab.

 

[FluxWolf]

LOL I know I'm a bit late but good **** ****** that argument Cosmo.

lol @ that dude looking at your join date and assuming you were scrub.

 

[RestInPeace]

TIPPER! Yes I am obsessed.

 

[illboyzeus]

I get star ko's with teh dsmash all the time...great move if you have godly spacing.

 

[Sybawave]

Great move...if your opponents suck XD not really...I get those a lot on Puffs for some reason...maybe it's just mine though lol