Iowa-Joker's Monthly"WHY SO SERIOUS?"#28 Nov 22th

[resTy]

Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 weren't good.
The Chao was the only good part about it.
I bet I have the best legit chao out of nobody here :')

 

[Blank Mauser]

So... what's the problem with Sonic Adventure 2?

The playstyles for Robotnik/Tails and Rouge/Knuckles were already in SA1, so...?

Its less about the splitting of game modes and more about the level design. You pretty much have Sonic levels that are all race tracks floating in the sky. It just turns the whole game into an un-varied obstacle course along with a lot of boring auto-pilot flaws and lack of real artistic direction besides textured roadways. It wasn't a Sonic game at all, it could've done without being apart of the franchise completely. It was just lazy design throughout for the most part. You could play SRB2 for better levels then it had and the graphical approach might as well be the same.

Adventure 1 on the other hand had levels that really seemed like locations and not just floating race tracks, and it was the closest, most accurate translation from 2D to 3D in existence as far as the Sonic franchise has seen. There was more open gameplay, exploration and well-designed momentum-based levels that actually attempted to use the physics as part of the game. It also had better music, just about better everything then SA2, SA2 just happened to come out first on a console that was actually successful.

 

[MysteriousSilver]

Knock the level design, sure, but I can't see how that turns a game with most of the same mechanics into "generic action game."

 

[resTy]

Watch me .

 

[Jayford]

I'll ride with you.

Joker TvC! It's on.

Sounds like a plan : D.

Watch me .

Everyone says I look like Justin Bieber.

 

[Blank Mauser]

Knock the level design, sure, but I can't see how that turns a game with most of the same mechanics into "generic action game."

"Most of the game's mechanics" equates to roughly homing attack and a much clunkier spindash which inevitably just dumbs it down to somersault fodder and other dumb gimmicks. They may have similar mechanics but one turns into strict necessity only and the other is freeform and intuitively built-in.

The level design easily makes the difference because you have levels that centralize completely on the homing attack and light dash while SA1 didn't need either. They were built on the solid core Sonic mechanics without much need for what SA2 did to the game. SA2 you strip it to the core Sonic mechanics you have an even more shallow game, because it can't survive on its level design.

Its the same with Sonic Heroes and Sonic 2K6. They were pretty much just mash-em-ups with more robot fighting then actual platforming, and SA2B just happens to be the least of the offenders.

Also the generic part stems from a lot of its boring art style. Textured roadways and nothing really "Sonic"-y at all throughout the game. You probably could've called it a Ratchet and Clank or Sly Theft Auto and there would be nothing to hint at you that its a Sonic game.

 

[Afrayail]

I definitely want to go, Connor wants to if he can get it off work. Keep in mind it's not just their monthly, it's the 1st tournament in the midwest circuit dealio.

We're not going to be able to go if we have to drive separately though. Rob, if you want to drive over here and hang out, then everyone hitch a ride in the pimping awesome smash van

Spoiler

>.0

that'd actually be cool. 7 people would be ideal gas money wise, though 6 would be ideal for space.... ehhhh, at least we all love each other, right?

 

[MysteriousSilver]

I dunno. I like SA2.

'06 was a tragedy, though.

 

[Blank Mauser]

I'm fine with people liking SA2. I just don't consider it a Sonic game.

I hope the new Sonic Riders doesn't require Kinect. How much did Micro$ pay them to make that ****, a next-gen Riders sounds so pretty. @_@

 

[Jayford]

No Sonic game will ever come close to

 

[Thebest1pj]

***** in nears butthole makes him happy camper

 

[napZzz]

lol we aren't even going quite yet

quiet down average troll guy

 

[NearZzz]

Oh no i was insulted by a 25th placeholder

 

[BOLT08]

Blank, why would you consider a game that has the title Sonic Adventure 2, and has sonic as the character NOT a Sonic game?

 

[Blank Mauser]

Blank, why would you consider a game that has the title Sonic Adventure 2, and has sonic as the character NOT a Sonic game?

Maybe if you read my last 2-3 posts I made about it you'd know why. :S

I mean, I don't consider it a Sonic game at all until it has hawt furry on furry action. Wheres my adorable playable Tails? <3

 

[resTy]

The fact that you posted this scares me a little bit.
It's like you had it prepared a few days ago and shipped it now :S

 

[MegaRobMan]

If you guys take the van I could drive the buick even and just drive like 55 the entire time and take breaks every 10 minutes or so. Way down for games and paying for gas.

 

[gantrain05]

all this sonic talk makes me kind of sick to my stomach, we all know every sonic game is a below par game anyways, even the best of the best aren't that great imo.

 

[MysteriousSilver]

all this sonic talk makes me kind of sick to my stomach, we all know every sonic game is a below par game anyways, even the best of the best aren't that great imo.

I respectfully disagree, primarily because of S3&K, and also Sonic Rush.

 

[BoredPeanut]

I can't believe I'm being trolled by a Sonic fan.

But yeah, saying that SA2B isn't really a sonic game because all the levels were just racetracks in the sky makes absolutely no sense. Unless you're saying the Sega Sonic games also weren't Sonic games because they have no linear order and are just a bunch of race tracks on the ground with obstacles that you have to jump/air float through. And also, there's no level that is entirely light dash/homing attack. I can only think of two spots that REQUIRE light dash. Most of the time it's just the fastest route involves those things. But fastest =/= only.


Joker - I'm trying to get hyped for Rising. The cutting mechanics seem cool and I always wanted to play as Grey Fox. The problem is I see Raiden and not Fox and I start to hate myself.

 

[resTy]

Shhh .

 

[§chizm]

Any Sonic game without Knuckles automatically sucks.

Joker - I'm trying to get hyped for Rising. The cutting mechanics seem cool and I always wanted to play as Grey Fox. The problem is I see Raiden and not Fox and I start to hate myself.

Hopefully we'll get to do a few missions as naked Raiden. Cartwheels everywhere.

 

[BOLT08]

I agree with JLO and Schizm.

Also blank, I saw an episode of 30 rock where this guy talked about dressing up in furry costumes and yiffing. And it immediately made me think of you, then I thought "Oh, well that's not fair people are just kidding when they tell him that"

After you posting that picture, I'm not so sure.

 

[Yink]

I'll ride with you.

Joker TvC! It's on.

I might want a ride as well, considering I've got today, Friday and Saturday off :D

 

[~GregDang!~]

I'm going to re-play Earthbound starting probably tonight. Its usually one of my Summer games.

 

[Blank Mauser]

I can't believe I'm being trolled by a Sonic fan.

But yeah, saying that SA2B isn't really a sonic game because all the levels were just racetracks in the sky makes absolutely no sense. Unless you're saying the Sega Sonic games also weren't Sonic games because they have no linear order and are just a bunch of race tracks on the ground with obstacles that you have to jump/air float through. And also, there's no level that is entirely light dash/homing attack. I can only think of two spots that REQUIRE light dash. Most of the time it's just the fastest route involves those things. But fastest =/= only.

You entirely miss the point if thats what you think. If the only way you can prove that SA2B remains Sonic-y at all is because it has Sonic in it you don't understand the consistency throughout the series and probably never cared about the older games for the reasons I did.

Also I never said all levels required either mechanics (Which a lot of levels most certainly do require at least one of them) I said if you stripped them away you'd have an even more shallow game. Thats because they're BUILT around those mechanics and not on the same type of platforming previous Sonic games were built around.

The older games weren't "race tracks" or "obstacle courses" because they had a sense of location and atmosphere as well as exploration and platforming. They were full of multiple layers and simple high/low routes that even made backtracking plausible in S3K. If you fell down somewhere you'd end up at a new location(The dreaded bottomless pit argument). Adventure 1 simply translated those areas into 3D, while SA2 copped it out completely. Instead of trying to fix the problems that arose from creating a 3D Sonic game complete with 3D physics, they simply eliminated the parts where trouble could arise and made a linear action game. Physics too troublesome? Too hard to translate the feeling of momentum? Just fill slopes with boost pads, add rails and robot bashing, hell just get rid of everything around the stage it makes it easier for us. Now when you fall down somewhere you won't find yourself in another part of the level, you just die.

If you stripped away Sonic what resemblance would you have to even call it anything like the previous Sonic games? Nothing at all really. It looks nothing like one. Now normally thats fine if you wanted to call it innovation, but the actual result shows a degrading of it and marks a turning point in the quality and gameplay of the rest of the series. They simply gave up and started catering to the new legion of fans who clamored to it off the Nintendo wagon. They tried to pay homage to the 1st Adventure with 2K6 and failed miserably, and now they're just a shallow market-driven team because fans couldn't show them that putting their passion into a game was worth any money.

 

[§chizm]

I'm going to re-play Earthbound starting probably tonight. Its usually one of my Summer games.

Eww.

I'm pretty sure Blank is just trolling.


Also anyone showing up for games tonight?

 

[Rising-Tide]

new zelda, new metroid, new donkey kong, nintendo rocks. sa2b was the sh*t. suck it blank...


/runs

 

[MegaRobMan]

Earthbound=masterful.

Blank, Sonic 2 and Knuckles is where it's at, Robotnic is such a challenge since he can't even jump :/ I may not be MegaSonicMan or anything, but I'm also a huge sonic fan...even though every sonic game after SA1 sucked, but that Black Knight game was pretty fun.

 

[MJG]

Anyone want to MM at this tourney?

Also, is low tiers going on at this tourney?

 

[Joker490Frozen]

I'll ride with you.

Joker TvC! It's on.

Oh hell yeah specially cause there shouldn't be anything like a tourney getting on the way this time XP

Joker - I'm trying to get hyped for Rising. The cutting mechanics seem cool and I always wanted to play as Grey Fox. The problem is I see Raiden and not Fox and I start to hate myself.

The game looks like is just hack and slash but since Snake is not in it is like fack stalling >.<
The other thing is that I think this game should be a prequel to MGS4 and the reason is because at the end of MGS4 he gets his body back and he's all happy with Rose and his kid so is like yeah.

 

[Yink]

I'm going to re-play Earthbound starting probably tonight. Its usually one of my Summer games.

I love you.

Play MOTHER 3 too. ...only play MOTHER 1 if you really want to. >_>; I've only beaten it twice, because it's annoyingly hard for an hour..

Anyone want to MM at this tourney?

Also, is low tiers going on at this tourney?

I want some low tiers too!

 

[Blank Mauser]

I like how having an opinion becomes Blank is trolling, specially because I wasn't the one who put other's opinions in question.

Who all is showing up on Friday?

 

[Jayford]

Joker: I think I have a burned copy of CVS2 some where in my apartment loool. Also, what time do you want us to get there?

 

[Blank Mauser]

I also have a PS2 and GCN copy of CvS2 burned if you want Joker.

 

[§chizm]

I love you.

Play MOTHER 3 too. ...only play MOTHER 1 if you really want to. >_>; I've only beaten it twice, because it's annoyingly hard for an hour..



I want some low tiers too!

Play Chrono Trigger.

I'd rather have - than Low tier but whatever.
Depends on time.

I like how having an opinion becomes Blank is trolling, specially because I wasn't the one who put other's opinions in question.

Who all is showing up on Friday?

Having an opinion on the internet is trolling.

No one is showing up Friday to my knowledge.

Joker: I think I have a burned copy of CVS2 some where in my apartment loool. Also, what time do you want us to get there?

I have a copy of CvS2 that is actually on fire.
Joker never cares when people show up. Just knock really hard.

 

[BoredPeanut]

Any Sonic game without Knuckles automatically sucks.

Hopefully we'll get to do a few missions as naked Raiden. Cartwheels everywhere.

No.

Hopefully Kojima says "Lol JK!" And releases Metal Gear Rising: A Grey Fox Story. And it's a non-canon game where Sniper Wolf and Grey Fox are Dante and Vergil and it's DMC3.

Also. DO play Chrono Trigger if you haven't.


And rather than fill up the thread with more pointless Sonic spam I'll take the rest of that nonsense into PMs.



Sidenote: I main Snake now.

 

[Jayford]

I have a copy of CvS2 that is actually on fire.
Joker never cares when people show up. Just knock really hard.

lololol

Ok, so how is this Iowa City people? I show up in Iowa City at 10:00 then we leave for Joker's and get there at like 12:00.

 

[§chizm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyjtp79qhDs&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpnp-C4ZiYM
Oh man.
I love Deadpool.
Lololol.

 

[BoredPeanut]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyjtp79qhDs&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpnp-C4ZiYM
Oh man.
I love Deadpool.
Lololol.

Did you see the two Famitsu ones as well? With Felicia/Morrigan.

My team has already been announced. Cap/Deadpool/Felicia. I'm hyped. [For a game that comes out sometime 2011]