Interesting illusion / phantasm property

[phanna]

G (Fox) VS Ness (CP) - DO NOT USE THE STARMAN! =X

Besides the mind-bending music, awful foxplay, and funny ending, the illusion at 0:15 still grabs the non-solid edge, which I had never seen before, but I guess it makes sense due to the spacing. Still, it was new to me, so I thought I would share.

 

[Brookman]

That was awesome.

 

[Oskurito]

O_o

Lol at the ending

 

[Silent Wolf]

He was close enough to grab lol.
A little bit of the first part of the moving animation still cancels if close enough.

Lol @ video though >_>

EDIT - How did you come upon this video >_>?

 

[Eggz]

Amazing video.

 

[RaynEX]

Amazing edit.


-10chars.

 

[mikeHAZE]

well he was in grabbing range of the edge.


....but something that IS interesting is.

well i won't tell you.

 

[bludhoundz]

It doesn't work with Falco, only Fox.

If you do an illusion near the edge while facing it, it won't actually do it - it will just give you a little extra ledge-grabbing range and you will grab the ledge.

But yeah, it works on non edges like DK 64.

 

[Junpappy]

Does that property outrange the firefox's ledge grabbing property?

 

[bludhoundz]

Does that property outrange the firefox's ledge grabbing property?

I'm not sure. I don't think so, because it doesn't add that much range.

But you can't run off the ledge and use the firefox's ledge grabbing property. You can with the illusion, because you can change the direction you're facing with it.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I'm not sure. I don't think so, because it doesn't add that much range.

But you can't run off the ledge and use the firefox's ledge grabbing property. You can with the illusion, because you can change the direction you're facing with it.

actually you can with a shine turn around. its really simple but looks flashy as hell. m2k does it sometimes. if you ever see him run off the stage and shine spike he will instantly shine turn and firefox.

 

[bludhoundz]

actually you can with a shine turn around. its really simple but looks flashy as hell. m2k does it sometimes. if you ever see him run off the stage and shine spike he will instantly shine turn and firefox.

That's true, but I meant illusion and firefox only.

Illusion is not as flashy or as effective in killing an opponent as the technique you just described, but is probably a little faster (just barely) if you want to just grab the ledge.

I haven't timed any of this stuff though, so I can't say for sure.

 

[Cort]

The illusion is such a weird move. I swear half the time I don't really understand if I can knock Fox/Falco out of it, other times I can grab them out of it sometimes facing backwards, and the rest of the time it hits me.

And it has the weirdest properties near the ledge, as shown by this video heh.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

That's true, but I meant illusion and firefox only.

Illusion is not as flashy or as effective in killing an opponent as the technique you just described, but is probably a little faster (just barely) if you want to just grab the ledge.

I haven't timed any of this stuff though, so I can't say for sure.

29 frames for illusion to grab. shine to firefox is...

shine turn jump = 5 frames? 6? dont feel like counting. firefox grabs on 16. thats 22 total.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

The illusion is such a weird move. I swear half the time I don't really understand if I can knock Fox/Falco out of it, other times I can grab them out of it sometimes facing backwards, and the rest of the time it hits me.

And it has the weirdest properties near the ledge, as shown by this video heh.

It's because the hitbox is so far behind where Fox actually is while doing the move. I had some suspicions, and I checked on seanson's hitbox system, here:

http://www.bigprojects.net/sean/ssbmhitbox/frames/fox/side b/22.jpg


http://www.bigprojects.net/sean/ssbmhitbox/frames/fox/side b/23.jpg


http://www.bigprojects.net/sean/ssbmhitbox/frames/fox/side b/24.jpg


http://www.bigprojects.net/sean/ssbmhitbox/frames/fox/side b/25.jpg


http://www.bigprojects.net/sean/ssbmhitbox/frames/fox/side b/26.jpg

 

[OTRU...]

The best way to sweet spot with the illusion is to cancel the illusion right before getting to the ledge, it works pretty well for me, especially on battlefield, japes, brinstar and all other levels with "battlefield ledges". This vid is interesting because the fox didnt cancel and still caught the ledge since he was close enough.