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Alien Vision

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I never said that. I am calling it ''Being clear-minded''. **** the term ''intelligence''. Lol.

Doing puzzles and questioning things that are bigger than you exercises your brain. This could be the reason why people figure out things alot sooner than other. Like me for an instance, I am able to find out things incredibly fast-- while I see people take awhile to figure things out. Yet at the same time my brother loves math and he can figure out math problems alot faster than I can.

What makes you think that? It's definately not intelligence because I am faster than him in finding things out BUT math, and he loves math which means he is dedicated to math and it's fine structures. Can you see what I see?

@ Tokyo.. What are you talking about? D: Who/what are you referring to?
 

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How can we define that as ''intelligence'' guys? I mean, if you think about it.. When you look at IQ tests, then look at our mind, can you really measure the potential of our mind? I mean, if you look at different illusions you'll notice that there is no real relative group that sees one thing.
Did you just not read my post at all?

Intelligence is defined... whether you choose to agree with it or not is the issue here, this is you grasping at straws trying to massively overcomplicate basic things. You might be as intelligent as stephen hawking for all you know, the question is; how long will it take you to understand all that he does. it could take you 100 years or 1000 years, thats how its defined. He wasnt born understanding how the cosmos works, he just draws his logical conclusions very, very fast. Heck, imagine him downloading the worlds information through a blazing fast solid-state transfer of data while everyone else using USB 1.0.
 

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Well he is really, REALLY crippled. So all he can do is think, think, and do more thinking his entire life. He has no distractions like we do, and that can significantly increase their threshold of knowledge.

Alot of the strange things we use today are made from people who didn't even have the high-tech equipment that we have. They used everything but intelligence. They use knowledge, they used understanding, they applied, and they manifested it.

Intelligence doesn't exist. You are still throwing it around everywhere just because you are jumping to the conclusion that none of us can be as smart as stephen hawking if we were just as crippled as him, had the right factors, and having very little distractions.

Do you really think so little of our race? We all have this organ that makes this reality possible and you act like we can't achieve what these ''geniuses'' achieve. Shame on you! XD
 

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Yes. Of course it is. Would it be much of a mind**** to say that it's your opinion that you think that it's my opinion?
 

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Well he is really, REALLY crippled. So all he can do is think, think, and do more thinking his entire life. He has no distractions like we do, and that can significantly increase their threshold of knowledge.

Alot of the strange things we use today are made from people who didn't even have the high-tech equipment that we have. They used everything but intelligence. They use knowledge, they used understanding, they applied, and they manifested it.

Intelligence doesn't exist. You are still throwing it around everywhere just because you are jumping to the conclusion that none of us can be as smart as stephen hawking if we were just as crippled as him, had the right factors, and having very little distractions.
ugh this job
 

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Very mature. I disagree with you. Are you really going to run away and not defend your ever-so beloved belief that intelligence is defined?

If not.. I guess I win, since you choose not to keep backing up what you believe when I clearly don't agree with you still. I never give up on finding something that makes sense-- which you lack right now. U mad bruh? :037:
 

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Well he is really, REALLY crippled. So all he can do is think, think, and do more thinking his entire life. He has no distractions like we do, and that can significantly increase their threshold of knowledge
Yeah he was a ****ing idiot before he got in that chair.

God I cannot wait for you to be gone. I will celebrate, I swear to God I will.
 

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Intelligence exists. Some people can't learn as fast as others, some can't understand the way X works while others can see it as extremely basic. I think you're coining the term wrong, because intelligence, in fact, does exist.

I mean no offense by this, but saying everyone can learn the same thing at the same pace if they put their minds to it is easily debunked by, and I mean no offense by this, mentally ******** people. Can they be as immersive as you can in everything you do? No they cannot, they have a neurological problem that prevents them from realizing the same tasks as you can, which includes learning and applying what they learn. In essence, mentally ******** people are less intelligent than people with fully functional neurological systems.

If your argument against what i said above is that "they are impaired, so they don't count" or something along the lines, then I have to say you accept what intelligence is. According to what you're saying, everyone can learn at the same rate anything they desire to learn about and excel just as much as the next person with the same effort, hence no intelligence existing, but if there's a clear-cut example of a group of persons who can't do this, then it's safe to say that they are less intelligent.


Funny thing. Mental *********** is also known as a form of intellectual disability. You might want to go out of your way next time to learn something before coming to a website to state your baseless thoughts. No offense, but what you did is proof of a lack of intelligence, a lack of proper cognitive behavior, else you would've double-checked with proper resources before coming here and stating your opinion as fact. To disagree with this argument is to disagree with the statements of experts on the field of neurology.


Also... Intelligence quotient. Intelligence being a manmade term describing a natural thing, IQ is a manmade measurement of intelligence. It by no means is the end-all-be-all to how intelligent a person is, but it can do its job when measurements are needed. Saying "Intelligence" doesn't exist, that the term is fake, is just as true as me saying it shouldn't be called "intelligence", but "thoughting". They're words representing something, and even though the words themselves are just letters joined together, the meaning the words are given to represent will always be true. And IQ is the way we measure that natural trait.


Also, Wikipedia may not be the best source around, but it certainly is the fastest. if you want to prove me wrong about intelligence and whatever, find some viable sources to contradict me. If you think Wikipedia is wrong, then by all means look up sources and let me know if I'm wrong as well.
 

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Bull****. That's as silly as saying that they had the same potential to be as tall as they wanted. Genetics have at least something to do with how intelligent a person can become.
That's an unequal comparison. Tallness can't be changed, whereas the brain can plasticize. Genetics DO have an impact on HOW you think and how you conceptualize, but despite AV's inconsistent reasoning and somewhat odd conclusion, he's on to the right idea.

Information is information and can be arrived at any number of ways. To me, intellect is a matter of efficiency rather than a set level of competence. I think anybody, save for the mentally handicapped, can process any kind of information, but their intellect is defined by how efficiently and effectively they can process that information.

If someone is inherently bad at math, they can create an analog between math and their area of competence. They have the potential to become just as competent as the other individual whose expertise is math, but not necessarily as efficient, as their brain plasticized in such a way that the neural circuitry arrives at the same conclusion, but with differing times.

Like I said, everything can be simplified to information, and that information is amorphous, so it can be molded or mutated to something new, as long as the informational value remains intact. A good analogy is to think of a homeomorphism (meaning "same-valued, or same-form) of a heavy object. One homeomorphism would be a lead brick, and the other, a dumbbell. Being homeomorphic, they have the exact same weight and properties, but different shapes. Which shape is more efficient to carry? The dumbbell! That's much like intellect. Information can be processed all the same, but it's a matter of efficiency and, as entails, discipline and hard work. Just like a computer program uses algorithms to speed up calculation, a person of higher intellect thinks with "algorithms" if you will. By virtue of self-awareness and the ability to consider our own minds, we essentially have a genetic algorithm programmed into our minds, such that we can continually amend our preexisting thought processes to improve efficiency. It's truly amazing if you think about it.

Edit: Another example: 1+1=2 is far more efficient than 3(9) - 25=2, but both maintain their informational integrity with the conclusion.
 

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Both arrive at the conclusion, but the speed at which they arrive, and the efficiency of their data processing, is what makes the faster person more intelligent than the slower one. Considering both are processing the same information of course. 2-1=1 is a more efficient way of going about the math problem than (((1+2)x3)-4)/5=1, which in turn means it's a more intelligent approach. The person capable of taking the more intelligent approach to arrive at his conclusions, or the more efficient if you'd like to call it that instead, is the one considered most intelligent between the persons in question.
 

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Both arrive at the conclusion, but the speed at which they arrive, and the efficiency of their data processing, is what makes the faster person more intelligent than the slower one. Considering both are processing the same information of course. 2-1=1 is a more efficient way of going about the math problem than (((1+2)x3)-4)/5=1, which in turn means it's a more intelligent approach. The person capable of taking the more intelligent approach to arrive at his conclusions, or the more efficient if you'd like to call it that instead, is the one considered most intelligent between the persons in question.
I'm not sure if you're arguing against me or not, because that's exactly what I said. o_O

To me, intellect is a matter of efficiency rather than a set level of competence
 

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Oh, then I guess I just misunderstood you. I read a couple of times "we're all the same intelligence, but some work faster than others".
 
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Too bad time is the enemy and there is so much out there to learn. It is practically impossible for two people to ever be alike in their levels of intellect. The different branches of learning that people travel down and the amount of time spent in each branch.
 
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I read the OP and not the rest of the thread, so forgive me if this has already been said: "Well, at least you've found a way to be arrogant and superior without being 'intelligent', eh?"

Intelligence doesn't exist? Define intelligence. I guarantee you that some definition (the definition that most people who attempt to qualify and quantify intelligent) not only exists, but is contingent on several areas of the human psyche, knowledge playing a reasonable part. To be fair, if you're speaking from experience on the intelligence part, I could understand...

P.S. Your thread has an amazing title.
 

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Intelligence exists. Some people can't learn as fast as others, some can't understand the way X works while others can see it as extremely basic. I think you're coining the term wrong, because intelligence, in fact, does exist.

I mean no offense by this, but saying everyone can learn the same thing at the same pace if they put their minds to it is easily debunked by, and I mean no offense by this, mentally ******** people. Can they be as immersive as you can in everything you do? No they cannot, they have a neurological problem that prevents them from realizing the same tasks as you can, which includes learning and applying what they learn. In essence, mentally ******** people are less intelligent than people with fully functional neurological systems.

If your argument against what i said above is that "they are impaired, so they don't count" or something along the lines, then I have to say you accept what intelligence is. According to what you're saying, everyone can learn at the same rate anything they desire to learn about and excel just as much as the next person with the same effort, hence no intelligence existing, but if there's a clear-cut example of a group of persons who can't do this, then it's safe to say that they are less intelligent.


Funny thing. Mental *********** is also known as a form of intellectual disability. You might want to go out of your way next time to learn something before coming to a website to state your baseless thoughts. No offense, but what you did is proof of a lack of intelligence, a lack of proper cognitive behavior, else you would've double-checked with proper resources before coming here and stating your opinion as fact. To disagree with this argument is to disagree with the statements of experts on the field of neurology.


Also... Intelligence quotient. Intelligence being a manmade term describing a natural thing, IQ is a manmade measurement of intelligence. It by no means is the end-all-be-all to how intelligent a person is, but it can do its job when measurements are needed. Saying "Intelligence" doesn't exist, that the term is fake, is just as true as me saying it shouldn't be called "intelligence", but "thoughting". They're words representing something, and even though the words themselves are just letters joined together, the meaning the words are given to represent will always be true. And IQ is the way we measure that natural trait.


Also, Wikipedia may not be the best source around, but it certainly is the fastest. if you want to prove me wrong about intelligence and whatever, find some viable sources to contradict me. If you think Wikipedia is wrong, then by all means look up sources and let me know if I'm wrong as well.
Well, I mentioned how I can figure things out incredibly faster than my brother can, but one thing that he is obsessed with (math), he completely destroys me at figuring our answers before I can because he likes to do them, he does them alot more than I do. It's the same exact atmosphere to where you play a game. The more you are dedicated aswell as competitive. The more you apply your time to studying the MU's and to take that knowledge to make you an even more solid player-- you definately will rise alot faster than people who are too busy trying to make a low tier viable for tournament XD

Mentally ******** people still have a brain, it was abused and shiveled up into something less because of irresponsible actions that were vicarious. It's the fact we all have a brain, we all can solidify this reality when it's completely made out of atoms. We all have the ability pre-existently to fathom every sense of knowledge we choose to collect.

No, they were dismantled. They still have a brain that still operates just as much as ours, it is only handicapped. To really say that we are ''intelligent'' compared to them is a low-blow. It's not their fault. I'm very sure if we didn't have these chemicals in our food, smoking, drinking, etc, we wouldn't be seeing a bunch of these people. I sometimes think they are much stronger than we are, to live in this reality like they were some kind of bug to be squashed. I believe that being simple is one of the strongest abilities to have. Knowledge is neutral. Intelligence isn't neutral, and it's just like what I said before: It's no different than a man acting more powerful just because he is holding a gun.

Lol.. No. Wikipedia is only using intelligence, and doctors are only using it because that is what they labelled it as. You CAN'T measure INTELLIGENCE. It doesn't EXIST.

Also, if you think about it.. Doctors are full of **** sometimes. I mean really.. They really called people hypercondriacs because they think they have every symptom of a variety of illnesses? Psh! I lol every time when I hear people use this term. They are ****ing human beings who either are confused and are worried they might possibly have something, or they secretly want to be sick because that is the only time people notice them in their eyes.

Yes, intelligence is ''MAN-MADE''. I rest my case there. Intelligence is nothing but another mental weapon people use to appear stronger than others. What you have is knowledge. Not intelligence. You exercise your brain more. So the **** what. You still are gathering knowledge and applying your own subconscious web of information--that makes you who you are today--into a physical form that other minds can interpret into their own different variety of subconscious web of information that makes them who they are.

I slightly feel like you wrote all of this as if intelligence is 100% real, when it's clearly not. You are defending the wrong term. It's knowledge. It's well-being. It's exercising the brain. It's being clear-minded, and free from chemicals, poisons, smoking, drinking etc. ALL of that can affect us, and make us appear like we are on different levels.

Keep feeding your ego that intelligence is real -.-
 

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True story, i copy->pasted this blog into a new title with the intent of making a troll blog switching out random words to make it about carrots. But I couldn't bring myself to do it because I would have had to keep all the spelling and grammar errors he had in the OP. I just couldn't let myself look that bad.
 

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You're not being genuine though. You have not interpreted the world in a way that resounds with simplicity and intricate genuineness. Your sense of understanding fails to present a true breadth of sincerity in the worlds INSIDE.
 

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I've already explained multiple times that I do not have all of the terms that Verm, and others have. I am more on the simple side, and there are things that you can never see if you over-complicate reality.

People can see where I am coming from, so.. What are you trying to prove again?

@ Verm. What do you mean? :037:
 

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Well, I mentioned how I can figure things out incredibly faster than my brother can, but one thing that he is obsessed with (math), he completely destroys me at figuring our answers before I can because he likes to do them, he does them alot more than I do. It's the same exact atmosphere to where you play a game. The more you are dedicated aswell as competitive. The more you apply your time to studying the MU's and to take that knowledge to make you an even more solid player-- you definately will rise alot faster than people who are too busy trying to make a low tier viable for tournament XD
Do you know about how the brain functions? Not everyone can be the same as everyone else. Some people have a different degree of dominance over their brain's activities, whether it be left, right, or both hemispheres. Your brother is very logical from what you're telling me, in how he can figure out math problems easily, thus he is either left-hemisphere dominant. If you were someone who loved order, organization, perfection, then you'd be a right-hemisphere dominant person. There's also people that are dominant to a degree on both sides of the hemisphere due to how they were brought up during infancy, as well as people who don't develop either one enough so that they can be called dominant (example: mentally ******** people).

How does this factor into intelligence? Well, the way I simplify it is this... Think of your hemisphere's dominance capacity being 100% dominance at maximum. Your left hemisphere can go up to 100% dominance, and your right hemisphere can go up to 100% dominance as well (kind of like being either right-handed or left-handed). Certain people develop one of their hemispheres' activity further than the other due to certain factors during their upbringing, while they don't do the same to the other half. You could visualize this as, for example, left-hemisphere dominance being 70% and right-hemisphere dominance being 30%. This would make the person a very analytical person, good with patterns, solving problems and the like. Same thing would apply to the right-hemisphere dominant people, they could have balanced their hemisphere dominance during their upbringing to whatever level possible... Now, how about people dominant in both areas? Say you have someone who is equally analytical as creative (say, 60% left-hemisphere and 60% right-hemisphere). This person has much more brain activity than the 70%/30% example I listed before, from the looks of it! If you gave these two guys IQ tests and scored them in the end, the 60%/60% guy will score higher than the 70%/30% guy because of his level of dominance. He can be both analytical and creative. The score itself is just a score of the test with the time elapsed since they started taken into account, so it is a measure of mental dominance. Who do you think will score higher? The person who dominates all areas equally, or the person who only excels in one? This is where my definition of intelligence comes from.

Mentally ******** people still have a brain, it was abused and shiveled up into something less because of irresponsible actions that were vicarious. It's the fact we all have a brain, we all can solidify this reality when it's completely made out of atoms. We all have the ability pre-existently to fathom every sense of knowledge we choose to collect.
What? No, they cannot, hence why they're called mentally ********. They have a brain, but it is dysfunctional, and cannot do the things we can, including learn at a pace as fast as ours. This is why they have special classes for special students in pre-college schools (elementary, Jr high, high), because they cannot learn and apply things at the same pace as the rest of the students, they have to take their time in everything and have teachers specialized in simplifying topics for them to understand and digest properly. It is a matter of intelligence, they are less efficient than people without neurological defects at obtaining, processing, storing and recalling information. It's not a matter of whether intelligence is real or not, this isn't a philosophical debate, this is an irrefutable fact.

Sources in case you decide to learn instead of talk about what your opinions are:
1) KidsHealth.org > What "Mental ***********" means
2) ProjectIDEALonline.org > Mental ***********
3) audiblox2000.com > History of learning Disabilities
4) howstuffworks.com > What constitutes a person's IQ?

No, they were dismantled. They still have a brain that still operates just as much as ours, it is only handicapped. To really say that we are ''intelligent'' compared to them is a low-blow. It's not their fault. I'm very sure if we didn't have these chemicals in our food, smoking, drinking, etc, we wouldn't be seeing a bunch of these people. I sometimes think they are much stronger than we are, to live in this reality like they were some kind of bug to be squashed. I believe that being simple is one of the strongest abilities to have. Knowledge is neutral. Intelligence isn't neutral, and it's just like what I said before: It's no different than a man acting more powerful just because he is holding a gun.
No, you are wrong and here's my 'why'. We are more intelligent than them, because we can process data faster, hence the term intelligence. It is not a low blow, it is a fact without flowers or sprinkles. How else can I make this simpler than to avoid sugarcoating and being straightforward? Why do they have a different lifestyle than ours, if they're capable of the same things we are? What's with the special classes in schools dedicated solely to them? Are you saying a person with mental *********** can learn as fast as a non-mentally ******** person? There's a reason why they call it a "handicap", it's not a just a funny word that people throw around for fun, it means they need extra external help in order to live the way we do. We hear of them making great achievements, but most of us, if not all, could achieve those same things easily. It's only an achievement for them because the effort it takes them to reach that goal is far greater than ours, due to their mental disability. They need more time to learn and digest information than we do, because they have a serious learning disability. They learn and apply things slower than us non-mentally handicapped people do. They are intelligent, but not as intelligent as non-mentally handicapped people.

1) IQTest.com > Information about low IQ scores
2) about.com > IQ Tests used in Assessments for Learning Disabilities
3) emedicine.medscape.com > More about Mental ***********

Lol.. No. Wikipedia is only using intelligence, and doctors are only using it because that is what they labelled it as. You CAN'T measure INTELLIGENCE. It doesn't EXIST.
prove that it doesn't exist. Hand me some sources of people who have said the same thing as you and have conducted research/explained in a way it has persuaded many. From what I can see, you have not shown any proof at all that intelligence is an illusion, but instead you keep repeating your own thoughts that you randomly decided to post on SmashBoards for who knows what reason without knowing ANYTHING AT ALL regarding the basis behind intelligence. You do not know how to argue your point, good sir, and it doesn't seem like you like to immerse yourself in information to correct yourself either, since out of this entire thread, you're the only one who agrees with yourself, everyone else is disagreeing with you.

Show me some proof, I can be persuaded. I'm not a wall, I can move.

Also, if you think about it.. Doctors are full of **** sometimes. I mean really.. They really called people hypercondriacs because they think they have every symptom of a variety of illnesses? Psh! I lol every time when I hear people use this term. They are ****ing human beings who either are confused and are worried they might possibly have something, or they secretly want to be sick because that is the only time people notice them in their eyes.
As far as I'm aware, that IS what hypochondriac means.
PubHealth said:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002216/

Hypochondria is a belief that physical symptoms are signs of a serious illness, even when there is no medical evidence to support the presence of an illness.

People with hypochondria are overly focused on their physical health. They have an unrealistic fear of having a serious disease. This disorder occurs equally in men and women.


The way people with hypochondria think about their physical symptoms can make them more likely to have this condition. As they focus on and worry about physical sensations, a cycle of symptoms and worry begins, which can be difficult to stop.


It is important to realize that people with hypochondria do not purposely create these symptoms (malingering). They are unable to control the symptoms.


People who have a history of physical or sexual abuse are more likely to have this disorder. However, this does not mean that every person with a hypochondria disorder has a history of abuse.
Looks like it's just what you said. I guess you DO believe in hypochondria, eh? The underlined part of your quote is referring to malingering. I'm not gonna quote it though, I don't want to make my post too long or stray too far from the topic of intelligence.


Yes, intelligence is ''MAN-MADE''. I rest my case there. Intelligence is nothing but another mental weapon people use to appear stronger than others. What you have is knowledge. Not intelligence. You exercise your brain more. So the **** what. You still are gathering knowledge and applying your own subconscious web of information--that makes you who you are today--into a physical form that other minds can interpret into their own different variety of subconscious web of information that makes them who they are.
You build knowledge because you have the intelligence to do so. If you didn't have intelligence, you'd be a tree or a rock or something. You wouldn't be able to learn anything. Intelligence is your ability to obtain, process, store and recall information efficiently. This is a VERY good definition, VERY simple, I'm sure that if people didn't tl;dr my post after I post this and they'd be as serious as me, they'd quote that and say "there you go, a great definition right there".

I slightly feel like you wrote all of this as if intelligence is 100% real, when it's clearly not. You are defending the wrong term. It's knowledge. It's well-being. It's exercising the brain. It's being clear-minded, and free from chemicals, poisons, smoking, drinking etc. ALL of that can affect us, and make us appear like we are on different levels.
Says the guy who can't even prove a point.

Keep feeding your ego that intelligence is real -.-
More like, "keep trying to help this poor soul realize he's wrong and set him in the right path".




EDIT: On second thought, after looking at your location, I'd much rather not continue this discussion. Seems that you do believe in intelligence, but you decided to be an ignoramus.
 
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Well, I mentioned how I can figure things out incredibly faster than my brother can, but one thing that he is obsessed with (math), he completely destroys me at figuring our answers before I can because he likes to do them, he does them alot more than I do. It's the same exact atmosphere to where you play a game. The more you are dedicated aswell as competitive. The more you apply your time to studying the MU's and to take that knowledge to make you an even more solid player-- you definately will rise alot faster than people who are too busy trying to make a low tier viable for tournament XD
So your brother is better than you at math. You're better than him at other mental activities. So what? It's like in brawl: hypothetically, I'm better at spacing, you're better at followups... that doesn't mean that "better at brawl" is unquantifiable. It simply means that there are different fields to excel in, and you have to weight them differently, or perhaps use a 2-dimensional graph rather than a 1-dimensional one, or even break it down into multiple fields that, combined, make up your intelligence. It doesn't mean that intelligence doesn't exist by any stretch of tortured logic (by the way, is his spelling also better than yours?).

Mentally ******** people still have a brain, it was abused and shiveled up into something less because of irresponsible actions that were vicarious. It's the fact we all have a brain, we all can solidify this reality when it's completely made out of atoms. We all have the ability pre-existently to fathom every sense of knowledge we choose to collect.

No, they were dismantled. They still have a brain that still operates just as much as ours, it is only handicapped. To really say that we are ''intelligent'' compared to them is a low-blow. It's not their fault. I'm very sure if we didn't have these chemicals in our food, smoking, drinking, etc, we wouldn't be seeing a bunch of these people. I sometimes think they are much stronger than we are, to live in this reality like they were some kind of bug to be squashed. I believe that being simple is one of the strongest abilities to have. Knowledge is neutral. Intelligence isn't neutral, and it's just like what I said before: It's no different than a man acting more powerful just because he is holding a gun.
...Really? So not only is intelligence an illusion, but power is too? From a philosophical standpoint, that's nice and all, but from a pragmatic standpoint, not realizing that you're probably less powerful than the guy holding the gun to your head is a good way to lose your brain.

I'm sorry, but Intelligence exists. It's quantifiable, explainable, and varies from person to person in its many facets. I mean, it seems fairly self-evident; from the fact that we can aptly measure it (and that IQ actually is a fairly good measure of how smart someone is is further evidence of the concept) to the fact that we can reasonably say whether or not someone is based on their actions.

Lol.. No. Wikipedia is only using intelligence, and doctors are only using it because that is what they labelled it as. You CAN'T measure INTELLIGENCE. It doesn't EXIST.
So... Um... Are we arguing about different things here? Define intelligence before we go on, because it seems like we're arguing about what the doctors label it as, while you're arguing about some concept none of us are getting our heads around and which seems fairly vacuous anyways.

Also, if you think about it.. Doctors are full of **** sometimes. I mean really.. They really called people hypercondriacs because they think they have every symptom of a variety of illnesses? Psh! I lol every time when I hear people use this term. They are ****ing human beings who either are confused and are worried they might possibly have something, or they secretly want to be sick because that is the only time people notice them in their eyes.
Ah, the old "the trained experts in the field who have spent their entire lives studying the discipline and have been reaffirmed by peer-review by all the other trained experts in the field are full of ****" gambit. Haha, brings me back to debating creationists... Good times, good times.

...No, seriously, if you're going to claim that Doctors are full of **** and then back that up by saying that hypercondriac disorders are just something that these full-of-**** "experts" made up on the spot, then I really have to wonder why you're worth bothering with, because you clearly not only have no idea what you're talking about, but sources such as, oh, I dunno, the people who have trained themselves to know what they're talking about (to the extent where people trust them with make-or-break, possibly fatal decisions) will not phase you in the slightest... I might as well not waste my time, because this will be akin to talking to a brick wall. That said, pwning noobs is generally fun and cathartic and I have nothing better to do tonight, so here goes nothing.

Yes, intelligence is ''MAN-MADE''. I rest my case there. Intelligence is nothing but another mental weapon people use to appear stronger than others.
...You mean like that gun you mentioned before?

This is not a matter of appearances. On a purely species-based level, the strong and smart survive, the weak and stupid die off. We currently have a society where people who, in the wild, would fall prey to their own stupidity (say, the guy with downs syndrome or the girl who can't concentrate long enough to notice the underbrush moving) can survive. While this is a good thing, it does lead to some people missing the point a lot. Personally? I believe that philosophical w*nkers with no clue what they're talking about belong to the category of the downs syndrome candidate more than to the category of the valedictorian track and field champ, but that's just my opinion.

What you have is knowledge. Not intelligence. You exercise your brain more. So the **** what. You still are gathering knowledge and applying your own subconscious web of information--that makes you who you are today--into a physical form that other minds can interpret into their own different variety of subconscious web of information that makes them who they are.
This just in: physical fitness doesn't exist! What you have is ability. Not fitness. You exercise your body more. So the **** what. You don't see the problem with this? The issue, of course, is that these subconscious webs of information (like our bodies) are not all built equally. Genetics plays a big role in determining how intelligent you are. We can all exercise, but the tools we have to work with are simply not the same. If one guy is naturally anemic and the other is naturally big and tough, then it's not that one trained more or less, it's genetics.

I slightly feel like you wrote all of this as if intelligence is 100% real, when it's clearly not. You are defending the wrong term. It's knowledge. It's well-being. It's exercising the brain. It's being clear-minded, and free from chemicals, poisons, smoking, drinking etc. ALL of that can affect us, and make us appear like we are on different levels.

Keep feeding your ego that intelligence is real -.-
As said: at least you found a way to feel superior to us anyways. You're wrong, you have absolutely no basis for your claim that intelligence doesn't exist, and you are more or less grasping at straws and desperately reiterating your conclusions as though that had any bearing on the discussion. I'd say that what you're doing is like trying to philosophize away a mountain that is clearly in front of you, but what you're doing is less like philosophically proving that the mountain (which is clearly there) isn't, and more like screaming "THE MOUNTAIN DOESN'T EXIST! THE MOUNTAIN DOESN'T EXIST" over and over while people try to talk you out of your stupidity (and, for the most part, fail) before going on their rock-climbing expedition.

Intelligence does exist. It is quantifiable. You simply have no idea what you're talking about (not just on this subject, on several tangential ones that you seem to wish you understood as well) and are standing here wondering why people are acting like you're ********. Hmm, I wonder if 'philosophical w*nkery' is a recognized psychological disorder... I don't think so, but I know that Dunning-Krüger is. Go look it up, you might be surprised.


And again, lovely title for your thread about how intelligence doesn't exist.
 

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I don't think there's a point in writing such well thought-out arguments in response to him.
Yeah, I looked at his location, and realized he's just a guy who likes making himself look stupid. Maybe he is stupid by definition of the word, that's what I'm seeing so far.


EDIT: I googled "stupid" to check out what definitions websites have for it, and I lol at how they're all saying "lack of intelligence". Well, guess that settles this thread!
 

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Yeah, I looked at his location, and realized he's just a guy who likes making himself look stupid. Maybe he is stupid by definition of the word, that's what I'm seeing so far.
Perhaps that's why he's saying intelligence doesn't exist. :I

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EDIT: I googled "stupid" to check out what definitions websites have for it, and I lol at how they're all saying "lack of intelligence". Well, guess that settles this thread!
If I may hypothesize: Alien Vision recently got his IQ tested and the results put him on the short bus. He's more than a little preturbed about this and therefore wants to prove that everyone is wrong by showing that intelligence doesn't exist. Of course, the results of that IQ test means that he's not going to do a very good job of it. :troll:
 

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If I may hypothesize: Alien Vision recently got his IQ tested and the results put him on the short bus. He's more than a little preturbed about this and therefore wants to prove that everyone is wrong by showing that intelligence doesn't exist. Of course, the results of that IQ test means that he's not going to do a very good job of it. :troll:
LOL That is not a bad hypothesis. His trolling DOES provide certain hints pointing to that... :rolleyes:
 

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It's funny how you judge me so, yet you are only basing all of this on what people label it as. Intelligence is a measurement of our capacity to manifest knowledge, right? Well, apparently you don't know how to manifest yours, let alone look at what I am trying to point out. Verm even said I am on the right idea, I am just having alot of trouble putting it together without making a fallacy out of it because I lack the terms to do so.

I see humans brag about this imaginary power they call ''intelligence''. Of course, when you label it so, yes, it makes perfect sense to a robot who interprets it in a technical sense. When you look at it from a view that understands that our minds aren't able to be labelled to the point we understand it in and out. We can only understand it to a point, and I see no origin, nor existent patterns of intelligence except in a gleanable fashion. Intelligence is simply the wrong term to use when people seem to be able to figure things out more than others.

I am not going to say it again. It's because some people focus more on learning than others. Some people are knowledge crackheads like Einstein who devoted their entire self being to knowledge. They had trouble understanding the simple things in life because they jumped straight to advanced knowledge. We can too if we weren't distracted, had the right environment, weren't affected at birth, and other factors that can affect our overall mind tree.

I am not stupid because of what I say. I am stupid because I am going against the ''norm''.
 
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