Intelligence Is Ian Illusion

[Alien Vision]

This is how I feel while discussing about things that cannot be defined with terms, but simply putting things together by heart: http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/445151

 

[frotaz37]

This is how I feel while discussing about things that cannot be defined with terms, but simply putting things together by heart: http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/445151

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AV I think it's great how you can make a blog about how people use intelligence to put themselves above others, and people respond by using intelligence to try and put themselves above you. Hilarious.

 

[Alien Vision]

Lol wut?

Edit: To be honest, I didn't plan this one out. The other blogs' titles were predetermined to foreshadow the outcome of that particular blog though.

 

[Vinylic.]

We're all Stupid. Problem Solved.

 

[Alien Vision]

We're all Stupid. Problem Solved.

We're all ignorant. It doesn't hurt to question even the fundamental properties of reality.

Fix'd^

 

[Browny]

Oy guess what AV.

Colours, are labels. They are purely EM waves of varying frequency. They do not exist in this universe UNTIL they hit a receptor. Animals do not have these receptors, humans are the only creatures that do. Humans then assign labels to them. By your logic, colours are man made.

Does this mean they dont exist?

If I prefer red over green, did I choose this? Why are girls more likely to prefer pink over brown? Why do people spend thousands of dollars to paint a car a certain colour.

Labels exist for a reason. Humans want to quantify/categorise EVERYTHING. If 'colours' were not labelled, how would you explain how you see this world. Colours are undoubtedly the best, most universally accepted method of labelling a man-made interpretation

Intelligence is THE EXACT SAME. In the same way we observe a difference between what we label 'red' and 'blue', we have observed differences in peoples ability to think quickly. This can be observed when two people take vastly different times to complete a wide variety if lifes questions.

It benefits us to quantify this, if I require someone to complete complex tasks quickly and efficiently, I need a way to measure this. This is why tests and exams exist. Over the course of many, many years of tests, we can quantify this.

Intelligence is but one of MANY man-made labels which dont exist outside of our brains. To deny its existance puts you on the same level as animals. They would deny colours exist, that does not mean they dont exist to humans.

The crux of the matter is, there is a spectrum of mental capacity, this is UNDENIABLE, in the exact same way the colour spectrum exists. If you call it the XYZ factor while the rest of the world calls it intelligence, that spectrum still exists.

In essence, your denying the existance of a human label to a universally observed and understood phenomenon, is identical to telling me that 'colours' dont exist. Now prove it, and wear pink everything outside.

 

[Vinylic.]

Damn it, Browny I just killed the arguement yet you argue anyway!

 

[Alien Vision]

Oy guess what AV.

Colours, are labels. They are purely EM waves of varying frequency. They do not exist in this universe UNTIL they hit a receptor. Animals do not have these receptors, humans are the only creatures that do. Humans then assign labels to them. By yout logic, colours are man made.

Does this mean they dont exist?

If I prefer red over green, did I choose this? Why are girls more likely to prefer pink over brown? Why do people spend thousands of dollars to paint a cat a certain colour.

Labels exist for a reason. Humans want to quantify/categorise EVERYTHING. If 'colours' were not labelled, how would you explain how you see this world. Colours are undoubtedly the best, most universally accepted method of labelling a man-made interpretation

Intelligence is THE EXACT SAME. In the same way we observe a difference between what we label 'red' and 'blue', we have observed differences in peoples ability to think quickly. This can be observed when two people take vastly different times to complete a wide variety if lifes questions.

It benefits us to quantify this, if I require someone to complete complex tasks quickly and efficiently, I need a way to measure this. This is why tests and exams exist. Over the course of many, many years of tests, we can quantify this.

Intelligence is but one of MANY man-made labels which dont exist outside of our brains. To deny its existance puts you on the same level as animals. They would deny colours exist, that does not mean they dont exist to humans.

The crux of the matter is, there is a spectrum of mental capacity, this is UNDENIABLE, in the exact same way the colour spectrum exists. If you call it the XYZ factor while the rest of the world calls it intelligence, that spectrum still exists.

In essence, your denying the existance of a human label to a universally observed and understood phenomenon, is identical to telling me that 'colours' dont exist. Now prove it, and wear pink everything outside.

You can label things upon your own interpretation of what it is. You will never truly fathom the simple complexity of everything that our mind interprets in itself. Knowing something is not being ''intelligent''. Knowing how to choose something rather than the other is not being ''intelligent''.It's manifesting knowledge because we are highly advanced life-forms. We are able to. Intelligence doesn't explain any of it. (By your technical interpretations) It's just this measurement of how much priority we have to manifest our knowledge, which again is simply trumped by calling it: Exercising our mind with healthy approaches.

Colours are here in their indescribable features, but in a technical sense that you give it- It's never enough to fully elaborate it.

I believe everything we acknowledge through all of our senses is simply neutral. We just over-complicate it for more than it really is. Which is what you're currently doing; which is it's own fallacy.

I see ''colours'' by your definition of it--while I see colours for what it is, simply--therefore it exists either way.

I'm saying that intelligence has no place as a ''term''. Knowledge, and exercising our mind has nothing to do with ''intelligence''. The only place I ever see intelligence being used is for ego-*****s. It has no place anywhere else. It's just some ''term'' people throw around.

Everything outside of our mind is simply just. Colours have a physical structure that indeed works with part of our mind, but it's not as metaphysical as ''intelligence''.

 

[frotaz37]

Browny I don't think anyone is denying that there is a spectrum of mental capacity, just like there is undeniably a spectrum of light.

The reason it's not like colors is because each varying frequency has its own label. The problem with the idea of intelligence is that it only has one word: intelligence. Sure others may be used to describe certain types (wisdom, common sense) but for the most part intelligence is usually what it's defined as.
It'd be like saying each crayon in a box with 64 unique colored crayons has the same name.

Another reason it's not like colors is differences in intelligence are being put on a comparative ladder. This ladder implies that intelligence can be scientifically defined as "better" and "worse", which are not scientific terms at all. You would never try and scientifically determine which crayon colors are superior, would you?

 

[Alien Vision]

Frotaz, one day you have to teach me how you are so good with explaining yourself. Lol.

 

[Browny]

@ AV' big post

Wow what a whole lot of nothing.

You have no clue what you are talking about, that cluster-**** of words means nothing.

 

[global-wolf]

Frotaz, like I said before, intelligence is generally divided into categories that concern particular areas.

AV, you are not saying the same thing as Frotaz at all.

 

[Alien Vision]

You are using a label to back up your interpretation for ''intelligence''.

Did I forget to mention that your technical claims are man-made?

Browny, you should try harder. I mean, you aren't even trying right now. You obviously are scoffing at us with great immaturity, and you truly won't even try to admit that you're wrong in this state.

@Global. Ok. What do you think I am saying.

Then, what do you think Frotaz is saying?

If this has anything to do with the crayon box example. I was just referring to his ability to form a non-convoluted point.

 

[global-wolf]

Browny is not scoffing at "us," he is scoffing at you.

Edit: Frotaz is saying intelligence is too generalized a term to just measure it as a whole thing.

I don't even know what you're saying, all I've heard from you is "no you're wrong because intelligence doesn't exist" and that animals have mechanical minds. Oh and I'm hiding behind a man-made interpretation.

What interpretation that we know of isn't man-made?

 

[Alien Vision]

Well Frotaz agrees with me a little bit so what do you want me to expect? Lol.

Ok. You guys are scoffing at me, when you are just as ignorant with what lil' real sensible reason you are trying to oppose with.

You are hiding behind a man-made interpretation.

 

[Alien Vision]

No. Intelligence only exists based upon your interpretations. Which is man-made.. Lol.

It doesn't exist when you start thinking for yourself and see how useless the term ''intelligence'' really is, because it is one convoluted ''term''. It doesn't define anything that other terms I've mentioned do define. Like.. Mhmm.. Exercising your mind.

 

[frotaz37]

Frotaz, like I said before, intelligence is generally divided into categories that concern particular areas.

Not by people using it to put themselves on a pedestal.

 

[Alien Vision]

Frotaz. What part do you agree with me on?

Just to clear things up.

 

[frotaz37]

That intelligence as a concept is mostly used by tools to make themselves feel better than other people and that most people deemed extremely intelligent are that way because of large amounts of knowledge, not inherent superior brain power?

 

[global-wolf]

Not by people using it to put themselves on a pedestal.

That is true.

 

[Alien Vision]

Well. I still believe that intelligence has no rightful place as a term, and every other term that can be acknowledged conveniently can back it up.

There is knowledge. There is exercising the brain to strengthen our ability to incorporate this knowledge in a broader sense. Then, there are factors that affect it negatively.

There is no intelligence located in that, yet it has a comprehensive elaboration. All it is, is a phantom power humans built to make themselves better than others.

/Thread

 

[Browny]

Browny I don't think anyone is denying that there is a spectrum of mental capacity, just like there is undeniably a spectrum of light.

The reason it's not like colors is because each varying frequency has its own label. The problem with the idea of intelligence is that it only has one word: intelligence. Sure others may be used to describe certain types (wisdom, common sense) but for the most part intelligence is usually what it's defined as.
It'd be like saying each crayon in a box with 64 unique colored crayons has the same name.

Another reason it's not like colors is differences in intelligence are being put on a comparative ladder. This ladder implies that intelligence can be scientifically defined as "better" and "worse", which are not scientific terms at all. You would never try and scientifically determine which crayon colors are superior, would you?

Are you serious? Fine Ill humour you.

Intelligence IMPLIES a scale EXACTLY the same as weight and height. People are fat, tall and smart. People are skinny, short and dumb. Colours are a scale of EM frequency. A large quotient of hz implies violet, a small one, red.
Intelligence has no meaning unless it is in a acale, just like weight and colours.

And as for your other question oh god I dont know if its worth me explaining. Have you ever heard of a test? If one person can design a bridge while the other cant put a square peg in a square hole, you tell me if it is accurate to say one has a higher mental capacity than the other and which is better. We NEED a word for this

 

[Pink Reaper]

Well. I still believe that intelligence has no rightful place as a term, and every other term that can be acknowledged conveniently can back it up.

There is knowledge. There is exercising the brain to strengthen our ability to incorporate this knowledge in a broader sense. Then, there are factors that affect it negatively.

There is no intelligence in that. All it is, is a phantom power humans built to make themselves better than others.

/Thread

You're not being genuine though. You have not interpreted the world in a way that resounds with simplicity and intricate genuineness. Your sense of understanding fails to present a true breadth of sincerity in the worlds INSIDE.

 

[Alien Vision]

That's because you are inlove with your technical interpretation for intelligence.

Which is man-made.

So your points, sources, and everything you think is a dead-ringer is pointless.

 

[global-wolf]

/Thread

Are you serious?

 

[Alien Vision]

Yes.

Your interpretation for intelligence is unlively, and it's just a man-made interpretation.

Knowledge. The brain's health. Exercising/having the right mindset are the only things that make sense. ''Intelligence'' sounds like it was just squeezed in there for show.

It has no placement at all when you look at the big picture that doesn't hide behind your stupid human interpretations, and acting like that it's 100% correct when it's not..

 

[global-wolf]

...

If you know of a non man-made interpretation, please tell us. We don't know how to talk to animals sorry.

 

[Alien Vision]

We just about labelled every single ****ing thing with our own interpretation.

The things in reality that have a physical structure is what it is. When it comes to our complex mind-- that is where your terms, and BS interpretations fail. You can only put pieces together, and ''intelligence'' blatantly doesn't belong for what it's defined as.

 

[Browny]

ITT: AV denies the existance of colours, morals, ethics, logic and empathy. Because these are merely man-made labels and we have no scientific way to measure them on a scale of best to worst, they therefore dont exist.

Im dead ****ing serious. Your argument has more holes than swiss cheese. Your implications are so far reaching and ridiculous you cant even hope to ever prove a point anymore.

 

[Alien Vision]

Yes, but we clearly can see colours, now can't we? The rest has nothing to do with intelligence, because it's another label that I won't argue with. If that's what you call that nature, sure.. I could careless. Intelligence is a different story. Does my title say '' Intelligence AND Morals AND Beliefs AND Feelings AND STUFF THAT WE CAN'T SEE PHYSICALLY, ARE ALL AN ILLUSION, DERP''?

Can you see intelligence besides for what you interpret as, in a physical sense?

No.

You are as whole as a hole can be.

 

[global-wolf]

Intelligence exists physically in the ways our brains are wired.

I'm gonna stop now, should've listened to my own advice earlier.

 

[Zook]

Hey guys, gravity doesn't exist, we can't physically see it.

 

[Alien Vision]

No it doesn't.

That's called knowledge you silly billy!

@ Zook, and everyone who is purposely trying to misconstrue this because I like to question their perfect lil' reality. (When they can't even think for themselves).

I'm talking about only intelligence. If I wanted to question everything else, I would. I'm not because I have no reason to unless I were to find a reason to.

 

[Zook]

I'm not misconstruing anything. I'm pointing out how dumb your argument is.

 

[Alien Vision]

Oh yes you are my lil' dumpling <3

You are making this more stupid than you interpret it as because of your ''terms''.

I said intelligence. Did I say gravity, no. I was simply comparing the physical and metaphysical aspects of two entirely different realities where you can apply your terms.

Intelligence has been labbeled so, and I disagree with it because it makes no sense.

So.. Get @ me. >__>

:master:

 

[Vermanubis]

Two things I see:

1. AV, you need to open your mind a bit. You've mentioned before that you have an ego, and I think that ego is impeding any potential productivity that could be had with this debate. You're obstinate to even the most reasonable arguments.

2. A few others need to either take a break, or not bully/insult AV. I know it's not exactly easy not ripping your hair out, but try not to bully/push.

 

[Browny]

Yes, but we clearly can see colours, now can't we? The rest has nothing to do with intelligence, because it's another label that I won't argue with. If that's what you call that nature, sure.. I could careless. Intelligence is a different story. Does my title say '' Intelligence AND Morals AND Beliefs AND Feelings AND STUFF THAT WE CAN'T SEE PHYSICALLY, ARE ALL AN ILLUSION, DERP''?

Can you see intelligence besides for what you interpret as, in a physical sense?

No.

You are as whole as a hole can be.

Alright then mr I-cant-understand-my-own-words

Define your argument now in dot points. List every reason you have as to why intelligence is an illusion. Then watch as I either show they are all identical to colours, morals etc, or are total bull****, instantly disprovable as agreed by the world (similar to you telling everyonr that blue is actually red)

 

[Alien Vision]

Lol.. No. I am fine, they are being immature and choose to hide behind their human interpretation for ''intelligence'', when other convenient terms define it perfectly without giving us a measurement like humans are on different levels just because we have a special gift for knowledge.

This is not my ego. This is my heart.

 

[Zook]

Support your argument.

Nah.

Okay then.

 

[Alien Vision]

Intelligence is trumped by convenient terms and actions: Exercising the brain. Knowledge. Staying healthy. Keeping a rightful mind towards knowledge. Having passion, and dedication to increase how much more control we have with this knowledge.

Intelligence is a human interpretation that cannot be defined in a real sense. It actually doesn't make any sense to begin with. Humans all have a brain and the ability to hone knowledge. Your ''intelligence'' is just over-complicating things than it already is, and makes you better than others when that is complete BS.

*Insert words that make sense in a simple sense, but people are too arrogant and full of technical bull**** to even understand*