Instant Edgehog - an impractical, yet interesting fact

[Jihnsius]

Every character has the ability to instant edgehog. While it's not as easy as Yoshi's, it works (but it's very impractical.)

Explaining it is the simple part: If you are at the very edge of a ledge during your point of pivot on a dashdance, you'll slip off and still turn around to immediately grab the edge.

Putting it in your gameplay? Impossible.

 

[Eggm]

A player around here warrior of zarona does it very well and often in matches with his fox its sexy.

 

[Luma]

u can also see it in wes's combo video

 

[RyokoYaksa]

Yeah, this is a known technique. Like any frame-perfect extension of an otherwise basic skill (edgehogging), it's phased out by the vast majority of players.

 

[shadenexus18]

"Smash Sovereigns" (like yours truly) can easily pull this off in battle. Even aganst veteran Smash players.

 

[Jihnsius]

"Smash Sovereigns" (like yours truly) can easily pull this off in battle. Even aganst veteran Smash players.

I'd have to see it to believe it. Having perfection on that precise of a level and being able to put it to use would imply that your reaction time is infinitely faster than everyone elses.

1/60th of a second timed perfectly to be on one tiny coordinate while still being aware of what's going on in the game (and not to mention do it on purpose).

 

[Roy_R]

pc chris does this against ken in the second match of MLG New York,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pYIadEGBsc min. 02:04

it´s easy to do with marth, fox and falco.

 

[Lightshade]

I'd have to see it to believe it. Having perfection on that precise of a level and being able to put it to use would imply that your reaction time is infinitely faster than everyone elses.

1/60th of a second timed perfectly to be on one tiny coordinate while still being aware of what's going on in the game (and not to mention do it on purpose).

Yes. You're not going to be using that technique frequently. The chance of that happening is very rare, and is impossible to use it on purpose.

EDIT: Having seen the movie, it's not changing my interpretation of the move. You can't predict when it will happen.

 

[everlasting yay]

...I have done it on purpose.

 

[Lightshade]

Frequently? As in you can pull it off like a regular move?

 

[everlasting yay]

Uh..it's not that hard. To say that it's impossible to use in a match is ********. All you need to do is learn the timing. But do I use it in a match more than a backwards wavedash? no.

 

[btk Ace]

Umm putting it into gameplay is really easy
its easyer than short hop to edge
I use it with Captain Falcon
although it depends on character
but characters its really easy to do in battle

 

[Caleb Wolfbrand]

lol I didn't actually know about that...

Sup Yay.

 

[Kroy]

Yeah, you can learn it just like you can powershielding... , but for most of us not all that necessary. If you want to learn it go ahead, but it's not like WDing or anything. It does look extremley slick though.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

You could get the timing down with characters if you went the same speed onto the ledge everytime, but it would still be hard to pull off.

 

[Lightshade]

If you can learn the timing it can be pretty useful, but it is harder for certain characters. It mostly depends on the character.

 

[andrewg]

I will use this. I'm extremely good at timing things accurately. I dont know about this, but i'll try it out sometime.

 

[Wave⁂]

frame by frame stuff isnt as hard as is sounds, such as SWD. i might try this out.

btw, this works best with chars that have less traction.

 

[fabianmo]

Well its almost impossible but it can happen
Although I think its better to use a backwards wavedash

 

[RyokoYaksa]

I wouldn't compare SWD to the instant edgehog. For one, overshooting the instant edgehog puts you off the stage facing away, instead of edgehogging as intended. It isn't worth the risk of flubbing an edgehog unless there's no other way to get to it in time.

 

[Lightshade]

There is the chance that you can screw up and end up in a bad postiton. Unless you've practiced it, it's not worth the chance.

 

[wuthefwasthat]

hmmm this is the type of thing where the majority of players will say it is too risky.
then... we will get new bombsoldier vids in which he does it perfectly every time
and within like 2 months everyone uses it.

 

[pdk]

protip: there's only one factor to the timing with SWDing, this depends on how far away you are from the ledge during the first dash, which character you are, whether the platform you're on is level, etc

 

[wuthefwasthat]

protip: there's only one factor to the timing with SWDing, this depends on how far away you are from the ledge during the first dash, which character you are, whether the platform you're on is level, etc

doesnt matter how far away you are i dont think... it should be the same frame that you want to turn. the timing shouldnt change.

true... most people will only practice this on a flat level, since most edges are flat, unless you're at YS or... anything else (besides ******** stages)?

depends more on runspeed... must as PC chris shows us, itd probably be most safe to do from a walk. however... from a dash itd be more useful... but much harder.

 

[pdk]

that's exactly the problem, when you want to turn depends on how far you're standing from the edge (i.e. how long you'd have to wait before turning)

 

[wuthefwasthat]

i think most people would time it visually though, like... this is when i should press back.
but yeah, to do it based on when u started running is a problem

 

[kidprecision]

pc does it alot. ive seen kaiser do it too. (vids of course)

 

[Jihnsius]

I put a bit of research into this. It's much easier to do it out of a walk, since you get more turnaround frames (instead of only one in the pivot). Characters with less friction have a much easier time doing it, since they slide farther when turning. Luigi was the easiest for me.

Still impractical, I'd say, unless it's an absolute must to get on the ledge for the edgehog.

 

[Myztek]

It's also possible to wavedash straight at the ledge and turn-around near the end of the wavedash to edge hog. I've done it several times with Marth. I don't know how hard it is, or if it's even possible, to do with other characters.

 

[TheManaLord]

It's a rather simple technique to learn and use =/

 

[Lightshade]

The technique depends heavily on the character you are using. For example, it's going to be much harder to use with fox, (mainly because he falls fast) than it is to say, jigglypuff. Different characters have different attributes and will have a different effect when trying to use this.

 

[Wave⁂]

if you wavedsh forwards to a ledge, than turn around, it is pretty easy to edge hog, as long as you use someone like marth, mewtwo of luigi. others are iffy.

 

[thatsmybutta]

i did this on accident with captain falcon a while ago and iv been using it ever since. its not impossible lol

 

[i_eat_fried_worms]

it's not that hard to put into gameplay, it can be used if you can't use WD well but can pivot(i know it's not a great rebutle, i'm bored)

 

[cradmazy_SKAG]

it it definatly an interesting fact.

with the speed of the metagame... and playing against players like mew2king (which i do from time to time), FAR from impractical!!

i never knew about this, thanks for the tip.

 

[Plairnkk]

The technique depends heavily on the character you are using. For example, it's going to be much harder to use with fox, (mainly because he falls fast) than it is to say, jigglypuff. Different characters have different attributes and will have a different effect when trying to use this.

This is not true, the weight has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Basically what it comes down to is the amount of traction a character has. If a character is rather slidy (marth, luigi, etc) it's much easier to do this, while if a character has high traction (peach) it becomes a lot harder to do.

 

[h1roshi]

pc chris does this against ken in the second match of MLG New York,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pYIadEGBsc min. 02:04

it´s easy to do with marth, fox and falco.

off topic: after watching all the nyc finals vids again...pc chris is my idol...peace

-hiroshi

 

[Lightshade]

This is not true, the weight has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Basically what it comes down to is the amount of traction a character has. If a character is rather slidy (marth, luigi, etc) it's much easier to do this, while if a character has high traction (peach) it becomes a lot harder to do.

In a simliar way, but if you're playing a heavy character (say bowser) if you screw up the slightest bit you will miss the edge and fall. The faster your character falls, the more precise you have to be when grabbing the edge.

 

[Falco&Victory]

i can do it with luigi