Increase the range of Sonic's F-Smash

[InterimOfZeal]

No, Sonic's fsmash is still his best KO move, especially without diminishing return. I tested all the moves, and Fsmash ALWAYS kills before dsmash does. It also comes out faster, has more range, and (yes) priority. Dsmash gets beat by jabs. Fsmash doesn't. Bair has the best priority out of all three, but kills the latest.

Still, dsmash is useful, especially against spot-dodgers. Just don't claim it kills before fsmash. The only move to do that is the uair on Corneria, honestly.

 

[Damax]

No, Sonic's fsmash is still his best KO move, especially without diminishing return. I tested all the moves, and Fsmash ALWAYS kills before dsmash does. It also comes out faster, has more range, and (yes) priority. Dsmash gets beat by jabs. Fsmash doesn't. Bair has the best priority out of all three, but kills the latest.

Still, dsmash is useful, especially against spot-dodgers. Just don't claim it kills before fsmash. The only move to do that is the uair on Corneria, honestly.

were those DIed? Fsmash is ****IN DI able so easily.

I doubt about all this, maybe DI problems.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

Dsmash comes out later. Both are DIable, and it affects them the same way. Seriously, Fsmash is a better kill move.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Dsmash comes out later. Both are DIable, and it affects them the same way. Seriously, Fsmash is a better kill move.

agreed... I mean... sonic can pary other fsmashes with his fsmash... but his Dsmash... not so much.... it's got range and lingering hitboxes... but that's it.

bair and fsmash... his best standard kill moves

 

[Damax]

alright, finaly got to test out things.

his Fsmash kills better.

you can COMBINE the two techs, the pivot smash + the increased forward smash, giving about a sonic lenght more to the increased forward smash, its fast, it has better range.

 

[TwinkleToes]

Whoever said only a few characters can do this is mistaken. Any character can, it's just a bit more noticeable with a Sonic and other fast-startup characters.

Further note, since I don't see this amended anywhere, you can do this by smashing the control stick in either direction. What matters is the direction you smash you c-stick. You stutter step either way, although doing it in the same direction for both taps seems to yield a better distance if done right. I tested this a bit, but not extensively so don't quote me on that distance comment.

And another thing, the up-smash can be stutter stepped as well in the same fashion. It's not like hyphen smashing because all the horizontal momentum is canceled by the smash.

 

[FrostByte]

Doesn't the Dsmash have a lower trajectory? If so then it can set up for easy gimp kills.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Doesn't the Dsmash have a lower trajectory? If so then it can set up for easy gimp kills.

it does have a lower trajectory, but also much more cooldown lag in case you miss. really low hitbox making it often harder to hit with, less knocback and a LOT less priority.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

The fsmash angled downwards has a lower trajectory, though. =/

Dsmash is good for charged mindgames. Not too much else, aside from roll/midair punishment.

 

[TwinkleToes]

I've managed to edge-guard recoveries using D-smash so there's also that. Although, it's usually better to jump off the edge and aerial/spring if you have the time.

 

[~tgm_Zeej]

Sonic's Dsmash has range, but that's about it.

I've been able to kill with an Fair before the Dsmash will kill reliably. v.v
I only use it to get people away from me to start chasing them with aerials

RAR Bair off-stage has been responsible for a lot of my kills as Sonic, though...

Am I doing anything wrong with the Dsmash, or is it just not very useful as a gimp/kill move?

 

[RedrappeR]

Dsmash is decent from what I've used. Is anybody trying to find more Bair combos? It just seems like spamming the F smash to knock people off is going to get a bit predictable after a while. I mean yeah, B air and D smash aren't as reliable-- but their still kill moves-- and they'd be good to switch up.

 

[domiNate]

You can increase sonics f-smash even more now. http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=152300

 

[R. Olivaw]

No vids? after reading nine pages of this, no vids. bah.