Inception mafia: Town and Indy Joint Win!

[ranmaru]

Swords, was J the only person pushing for me? Also, why would someone being suspicious, be scummy?

Swords, what is your read on me?

What was your read before ToDAY?

 

[ranmaru]

I love how after I post the big post,

everyone runs. =[

I'm sorry J. : [

I was eating.

 

[#HBC | J]

Hm

K a lot of that is incorrect J but whatever. For example, I def remember Rockin pushing you for pushing ran.

Anyways, I gotta reread.

That was after the fact however he has not stated that in a while. He just keeps saying that I pushed Ranmaru, who genuinely at the time, I found as scummy. His play toDay though shows that he is town because otherwise he would have hammered me while given the chance (just like Rockin just did).

I'll wait for your re-read thoughts but you're gonna have to show where "alot" of my points are wrong.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm sorry J. : [

I was eating.

Tis kay, you came back.

 

[#HBC | J]

Wow it has only been a couple of hours today and we have extended the pages by 6 (40ppp)

Also, we don't need to reach a decision today since we have till the 25th so no rush Swords.

 

[ranmaru]

Exactly, we are in no rush.

 

[-Vocal-]

I actually like that post a lot. However, I do still have questions.

The night that I tracked Rockin, he visited Ran. This did not, as far as I know, lead to a silencing nor did it lead to a death. Are we to believe that Rockin is both a mafia watcher and a silencer? And if so, why was X1 a Tricker of Watchers when there does not appear to be any town aligned watchers?

@Ronike: Would X1's role have interacted with tracking abilities or is it specified only to watchers?

If Rockin is mafia, it is possible that X1's entire role was created to give mafia a safe and credible claim of town watcher, but I'm not sure if I'm willing to believe that yet. I need to think some more.

 

[ranmaru]

Yes, could be. Especially since he said that WATCHER IS ALWAYS TOWN. How would he know that?

Do we even know what a tricker of watchers actually does?

I would think so. Think of it like this: Two mafia have been executed. Not all of them probably could kill. Wait, Kuz was killed right? Maybe the role is kill/watch?

I'm sure with Rusty Guillotine, the mafia had the choice of either killing or cop/role block.

 

[#HBC | J]

Vocal, once again same question, is J supposed to be a Mafia executioner and a silencer?

I actually have been a game with red herring roles to preserve a certain mafia PR.

In the disco room there was a Mafia Usurper Godfather with a Mafia Godfather (along with Tracker and One-Shot Hitman). The Usurper Godfather flipped and protected the Godfather from being found out and made it all the way to endgame.

Similar situation with Tricker of Watchers and Watcher being on the same mafia team. However we are just playing by set-up terms now.

 

[#HBC | J]

For those who don't know, Usurper is a role that is made on the mafia faction to kill the Godfather.

 

[ranmaru]

Vocal, once again same question, is J supposed to be a Mafia executioner and a silencer?

I actually have been a game with red herring roles to preserve a certain mafia PR.

In the disco room there was a Mafia Usurper Godfather with a Mafia Godfather (along with Tracker and One-Shot Hitman). The Usurper Godfather flipped and protected the Godfather from being found out and made it all the way to endgame.

Similar situation with Tricker of Watchers and Watcher being on the same mafia team. However we are just playing by set-up terms now.

Interesting. Yet in Rockin's case, we aren't sure if Watcher could be mafia or town aligned. But taking this, and his actions, I'd deff risk a lynch on Rockin.

 

[Rockin]

Oh, I'm back. and surprisingly I'm not lynched...

gonna catch up right now

 

[Rockin]

Sworddancer, it's not good to try and answer the case till said person has spoke.

X1 with that popcorn

Rockin you what would of really made me trust you? like even more so then I already did? not trying to hammer. If it was a concern of yours that I didn't fully trusted, then you could of easily of just gainned it.

It was a concern of mine. I stated it a few times and therefore either got ignored or a 'k, if this doesn't come true, then I'm sorry' sort of answer.

But w/e. What's done is done.

Right, I understand. Taking initiative is good. But is questioning bad?

Questioning something is always good. Just try not to oversimplify things.

K at this point, I'm gonna start attacking this 'case,' cause it's either misworded or just plain 'wrong'

Does anyone remember someone named Kirbyoshi?

Yep, alright Rockin was the first to call out Kirbyoshi lieing about his role claim and continued to push his lynch and actually got him lynched D5(?). Rockin was shouting to all hills that KY was lieing and that he was not a town role and that he would risk his life on that but guess what? He lied there and never threw himself up for a lynch like he said he would if KY did flip town. Rockin NEVER stated why KY was scum but it was by the fact of his claim that made him scum and that it was so super obvious a role like his would be anti-town and not a town role. Now we are back to present day where we are facing the same situation where Rockin does not comment on how scummy I am but instead discredits my claim like crazy. He has continuously stated that I am scum because of MY ROLE, NOT for my scummy actions, NOT for my interactions, but because of my role. He has never stated why someone is scum, has hopped onto every wagon there was in this game and talked as little as he could unless he thought he could get away with an easy lynch. Where has Rockin given a scum-list and said that someone was town/scum? Most of his reads this entire game have been nulls. However the only two reads he was sold on was his reads on KY/J because he disbelieved their claims and therefore should die. Why? Where has he scum-hunted unless it is served on a silver platter and easy to discredit.

Wrong J. I wanted KY dead, yes. However, on that day, I never voted for him AT ALL (however, if I was on, I would've voted for him anyway). Infact, I remember that I came in and raged at everyone for ending the day so fast without discussion, while still stating that I would still be interested in a KY lynch.

Risk my life? Are you sure you're reading my posts right? I don't think I ever remember from memory about putting my life on the line on something that my entire case was on a role. Granted, I was confident.

Wrong again. While my main issue with you was your role, I DID stated other reasons as to why I disliked your play, such as you pressuring Ranmaru, the claimed doctor...even after when Vocal pointed out he tracked him. I also havn't liked your choice of night action of that 'one shot ability' you got. I've stated my reasons during mid Febuary.

I never gave one cause I never found anyone to be scummy. No one from beginning to mid day has caught my scumdar. I don't like making town lists either cause it shows Mafia how to manipulate and bypass through town. If I do give a list, I keep it small, but throughout most of the game, everyone has been neautral.

Rockin has had some interesting interactions this game. Let's see, kuzi pointed out on D2 after X1's scum-flip that Rockin had a literaly TWO posts that connected him to X1-12. As it is well-known, when X1-12 is mafia he tends not to talk to his scum-mates and even can be said to Tandora as he did not have many connections as well to him. However, you probably think all I have is meta on Rockin-X1-12 relationship? *Tsk* You should know me better. Kay, Rockin-X1-12 had a sort-of weird relationship but what was for certain was that neither of the two found the other scummy. X1-12 iirc hopped on Rockin because Cello did but never fullly believed he was scum because he was ready to hop on with him. Rockin, however, thought of X1-12 as town and did not see the point of my execution.

Well that was the thing. I never found anything scummy with him

Actually there was something x-12 did that I disliked. I think he was doing some fake wagoning or something. I have to look that up. In anycase, I disliked it, I told him off on it, he explained his reasons, and I left him alone, but kept an eye on him. Whatever he did, it wasn't enough to call it scummy, but he didn't gained any townie brownie points by me either.

Actually let's take a little side-step for a moment. Rockin has questioned my execution of X1-12 ever since he could try and paint me as scum. He has not stated WHY I would do such a thing to a scum-mate when I had not one but TWO options to what I could have done.

• I could have waited for a NL
• I could have just lynched Teryble Doom~

Yet no, I choose to eliminate a scum-buddy with supposed PR. Why? No one has explained why I would execute X1-12 without a damn good reason. However Rockin keeps jabbing at this and has been cracking away at this since he could and just tries to say, "Lol that role can go for both factions so therefore he must be scum." Which is a load of bull.

Well I could've said that you did it so as to bus in some way or form ans try to use the death as brownie points (you DID pulled up your role info from time to time after that). However, it sounded too farfetched, so I kept that possibility in the back burner.

Rockin also came in at the end of D1 and was seen no where when X1-12 was catching heat and said that he would have preferred Teryble Doom~ be executed instead and said it was a waste of a Execution.

I was probably busy at the time, me thinks.

Rockin had another interesting relationship with Tandora. They also had a very consistent buddying pattern where they would both go inactive but when they posted they tried to mention each other and play up the other as town which was very interesting to watch, especially when Tandora hopped on to lynch Kirbyoshi with Rockin. She tried to play him up as town when she was alive and so did X1-12.

Dunno much about this, since I hardly play with Tanny as both town and Mafia, but w/e.

Rockin has tried to get me lynched before all this nonsense began when he saw me visiting Swords during the night. He discredited my choice of whom I wanted to investigated with my one-shot cop ability and even said I HAD TO be scum since I visited him during the night even though nothing happened to Swords to state otherwise. He continued to tunnel the fact that it was inconcieveable that I was town.

K, so a victim of a night kill turns up to be town. Next night, said townie gets ressurected. But instead of using the ability on one of the others that were still alived (or *Gasp* Ranmaru), you chose to look at the 100% confirmed townie.

Try and say all you want. That was a bad decision IMO...

Another side-note I would like to bring up, he quickhammered Delvro instead of waiting for people to comment more as to what had happened because he thought that was what everyone wanted which caused the entire dilemna of Vocal coming out as the indie. Why did he quick-hammer Delvro?

I was pretty sure that everyone had their mind set and that they wanted the day to end, so I just did them that favor. I didn't know they wanted to keep on talking. I think we accomplished enough on that day anyway, not to mention we was near deadline, so it was good something happened at least instead of a possible NL.

Let's jump back to the beginning of the game, during Rockin's introduction post, he said to discredit any and all flavour arguements because they were dumb and just something that Ronike would do. Why would he try and discredit the flavour of the game? Interesting tidbit indeed since the flavour is there to PROTECT the mafia. Why would he try and extinguish the conversation about it so early in the game? It was to protect his own backside and protect the flavour of the game from becoming known which was Inception Mafia.

Man you are trying hard to paint me as scum...-_-;

Thing is, everyone was talking about the flavor as well as what was going on in terms of the vote that happened 'in the past.' It wasn't something we should be focused on, otherwise we'd be gaining no info cause most of our efforts went to de-coding the flavor. It's something that makes town lose in the game. Sure, speak a small bit about it, but don't let it dominate the conversation.

Now toDay some very interesting things have happened in which Rockin comes into toDay not caring about any of the night actions that happened to anyone and does not do a thing to try and discuss what should happen or anything, but INSTEAD he tries to get me lynched as fast as possible. Why? He was under a time-limit. I had been silenced and he knew this. Therefore, I had to be lynched as quickly as possible and he was hoping to get everyone on board but Ranmaru/Swords were not gonna have any of it. Vocal was because honestly he is just skating by with his claim to endgame and doesn't care either way. Rockin tried to get me lynched ASAP. He even said, "Let's lynch J, there's no point to letting this day continue as long as I can." When I came into the game saying that I had been silenced he said "Is everyone, honestly gonna believe him?" Which shows that he automatically tries to discredit something to get me lynched faster again.

Didn't swords say NOT to use the quicklynching in your case? Now who's not listening...>>

Now that that's done...

Swords, was J the only person pushing for me? Also, why would someone being suspicious, be scummy?

Swords, what is your read on me?

What was your read before ToDAY?

why does it MATTER? You are claimed doc for **** sakes. Why should you care at this point when you're confirmed town?

Jesus man. >_<

Yes, could be. Especially since he said that WATCHER IS ALWAYS TOWN. How would he know that?

It's called 'research.' Do it sometimes, ya?

 

[#HBC | J]

^That is gonna be fun to respond to.

Considering the entire post can be proven wrong by quotes and the logic is just wrong.

I'll get to it when i get home today.

 

[ranmaru]

Rockin did I ****ing ask you that question? NO, so don't worry about it. Geez like I care what people think of me now. I'm trying to get a reaction from swords.

NOW DIE.

 

[Rockin]

Rockin did I ****ing ask you that question? NO, so don't worry about it. Geez like I care what people think of me now. I'm trying to get a reaction from swords.

NOW DIE.

I dunno. It looked like you're doing some unnessesary kiss ups, from my prespective.

 

[ranmaru]

Kiss ups? Elaborate please.

 

[Rockin]

Kiss ups? Elaborate please.

You are asking a very clear 100% townie, what to do they think of you, the 100% claimed doctor...the same one that has never gotten any amount of pressure after claimed except from J. I find it to be both unnessesary and almost suspicious, cause it seems you're trying to gain something from him. Like forcibly trying to get him to trust you as to what you want to say.

I mean, why would you want to see sworddancer's reaction? I don't see this tactic being useful on a clear townie. I understand if it was used on someone neutral or someone they find scum, but gaining a reaction from a 100% townie? I don't see any benefit to it.

But w/e.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Bleh whatever.

J get off of Rockin's wagon, I'm hopping on. We're going to play the same game as last time.

Oh, also, mafia WILL hammer, because at this point they just want to survive to tomarrow anyways.

 

[ranmaru]

No, stay on J. Don't want gambits at this point in time. Why are you doing this Swords?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Hey Rockin, entertain this thought for me: What do you think the changes are that Ran and J are in a second indie/mafia fraction? I mean, it's a possibility.

 

[Rockin]

Hey Rockin, entertain this thought for me: What do you think the changes are that Ran and J are in a second indie/mafia fraction? I mean, it's a possibility.

Not likely. We would've lost in that case. Let's see

Rockin - town
J - indie partner
Sworddancer -town
Vocal - indie
Ranmaru - indie partner

I'm more of thinking of some sort of weird mason thing such as Lovers. That would explain Ramnaru's non-chalant attitude to J's pressure.

There's SOMETHING going on between the two, that's for sure.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm responding to Rockin's case thingy right now but been a bit busy entertaining guests/been a bit sick. It will be up latish tonight(?)

Should be up tonight but here you are Swords. Ranmaru it does make sense.


Unvote

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Okay J, in you're next post don't hammer. Post something, but don't hammer. I'll tell you when you can hammer.

vote Rockin

 

[ranmaru]

Not likely. We would've lost in that case. Let's see

Rockin - town
J - indie partner
Sworddancer -town
Vocal - indie
Ranmaru - indie partner

I'm more of thinking of some sort of weird mason thing such as Lovers. That would explain Ramnaru's non-chalant attitude to J's pressure.

There's SOMETHING going on between the two, that's for sure.

Well if I was lynched it could confirm that you are lying.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I hope I don't regret this . . .

 

[ranmaru]

Then unvote if you want Rockin to talk more.

 

[#HBC | J]

I love Dahlia Hawthorne to pieces <3

That good enough? =3

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

omg i can't believe, J's really not mafia . . .

unvote

you can vote him again if you want

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Vocal, tell me if there's anything wrong with this thought:

Oh, also, mafia WILL hammer, because at this point they just want to survive to tomarrow anyways.

 

[#HBC | J]

I told you =3c Otherwise I could have just hammered him.

Vote: Rockin

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Now J, riddle me this: Why would a mafia Rockin commit the Night actions that he did since Night 2 (Night 4)?

So Rockin, you DO think that Ran and J are connected in someway?

 

[Rockin]

omg i can't believe, J's really not mafia . . .

unvote

you can vote him again if you want

I don't think anyone would try to quick hammer at this point, seeing as how bad of a situation I am and all....but eh, that's me. *shrugs*

Now J, riddle me this: Why would a mafia Rockin commit the Night actions that he did since Night 2 (Night 4)?

So Rockin, you DO think that Ran and J are connected in someway?

Yes, in some way or form. I still can't picture why ranmaru has been so laid back about J pressuring him from then to last Day. even when the day started, he seemed very reluctant to vote J based off on elimination

His constant 'what do you think of me?' post towards you hasn't been pleasant in my eyes either.

 

[#HBC | J]

Rockin you are being hugely hypocritical about Ranmaru at this point.

Like omg need some shades to hide from the hypocrisy.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I don't think anyone would try to quick hammer at this point, seeing as how bad of a situation I am and all....but eh, that's me. *shrugs*

We're waiting on vocal to answer this.

J the riddle please.

 

[#HBC | J]

Can I answer that with this post I am making?

Kindof busy playing pokemonz/brawl with my friend ^^" I can only make one liners when she isn't glaring at me for being on the computer ;_;

 

[ranmaru]

Only person that tried to quick Hammer was Rockin.

I want more discussion.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Yes, in some way or form. I still can't picture why ranmaru has been so laid back about J pressuring him from then to last Day. even when the day started, he seemed very reluctant to vote J based off on elimination

His constant 'what do you think of me?' post towards you hasn't been pleasant in my eyes either.

Caonsidering the fact that there has still been kills though?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

We got time J.

Btw if you're playing Brawl use ROB for me. ^.^

 

[Rockin]

Caonsidering the fact that there has still been kills though?

To which is why I'm going off on a Lovers thing, but even then I don't see that being possible due to the claims.

Or it could be just one Mafia that's choosing not to kill and ranmaru is playing Meh.