Inception mafia: Town and Indy Joint Win!

[#HBC | J]

Delvro, your explanation is WIFOM.

I didn't know Vocal was your strongest scum-pick.

 

[ranmaru]

Yes Delvro but it seems to some people I was scummy, so without pr's I would have been screwed, maybe. I think Kirb, Kuz, and J would be for my lynch.

I skimmed some posts and such so J has a right to think I'm scum for that. But not for asking him why he thought I was scum, nor did I try to twist his words. I think he tried to twist mine.

 

[#HBC | J]

Ran, your opinions on MY post (big one that everyone commented on but you. Not your protects.

 

[#HBC | J]

Point out where I twisted your words.

 

[Delvro]

I realize that my argument is a mindgame but it makes sense to me. >_< I mean two nights with no kill.... aargh why make the assumption that scum did it on purpose?

I mean I know it's possible that Ranmaru's safe claim is doctor but sheesh two nights with no kill I'm gonna keep saying that over and over

 

[#HBC | J]

Delvro, but you are assuming they didn't plan it for if Ran were to safe-claim doc. It's WIFOM and I thought you wouldn't succumed to it.

Work with what we got.

Delvro, Ran or Nabe?

 

[Delvro]

Think about it this way.... we had 8 players left, then we lynched KY which brought us down to 7...

If the mafia purposefully doesn't make a night kill then they're pretty much handing town an extra lynch (since we can make two mislynches and still have 3 players remaining).

Isn't that bad play?

 

[#HBC | J]

Gah I do NOT want to delve into WIFOM because it has so many variables.

Why didn't you answer my question?

 

[Delvro]

Because the post was a ninja.

I'd choose Nabe over Ran.

I'd go Vocal/Nabe/Ran. Of course, other people should stick me in there somewhere since I'm a VT and can't prove my role.

 

[#HBC | J]

Why are you not voting Vocal then?

 

[Delvro]

Ranmaru scum just doesn't add up.

Rockin is still alive, even after Ranmaru admits to protecting J instead of Rockin one of those nights. Why would he admit to that?

Rockin hasn't been watching himself. Killing Rockin wouldn't out the mafia (although it would make Ranmaru look bad).

Doctor Safeclaim? Sure it could be part of their big plan, but this has to be a plan that's been planned since night 1! And the mafia would have to consciously forego TWO night kills! Giving townies extra lynches in the process.

It just doesn't add up.

 

[Delvro]

I dunno. I just don't feel like voting yet.

Doesn't this logic make sense though? I can't convince myself that Ranmaru is scum.

...and if we do lynch Ranmaru and he DOES flip doctor, then guess what? Rockin dies tonight.

 

[#HBC | J]

Delvro =/

I do not agree with your logic because it is all circumstancial.

 

[Delvro]

Well it's not like we can prove that anyone is mafia at this point... any and all concrete evidence has already been taken into consideration.

 

[Rockin]

Okay, right now I'm just skimming, but PLEASE take off all votes people have.

2nd, Ramu, I'm asking if you answered all or any of J's questions. Do you still believe that J is scum? If so, then why? If not, then why not?

@Mod - apparantly there's a computer at the hotel, but my posting would still be limited. Just thought I let you know

 

[#HBC | J]

Only things that are concrete are as follows.

Rockin is a watcher
Swords is town
KY gave J an ability at night.
J used his execution power.

Rockin/J cannot be silencer due to the fact of Mafia Watching Silencer or Msfia Exexuting Silencer is too powerful/too much of a role for one person when there is a lone goon on that has popped up.

Variables include Delvro/Ran/Nabe/Vocal.

Who goes?

 

[ranmaru]

Hmmm, I didn't think of Rockin dying tonite. I'd say lynch J if that would happen. NO MATTA WAT. Srs.

If you guys can lynch a doc, you can lynch J.

I have no idea about nabe/delvro/vocal, only one that is SCUMMIEST but still confusing is J. I'm just jumping around to get reactions.

 

[#HBC | J]

Haha I'm not gonna be as lucky as Rockin when I'm v/LA because I am staying there for quite some time and not leving till they kick me out.

 

[ranmaru]

Okay, right now I'm just skimming, but PLEASE take off all votes people have.

2nd, Ramu, I'm asking if you answered all or any of J's questions. Do you still believe that J is scum? If so, then why? If not, then why not?

@Mod - apparantly there's a computer at the hotel, but my posting would still be limited. Just thought I let you know

No he just told me. I'll answer them all I was just too lazy.

Yes, I still do. As I have posted, I believe J to be the scummiest. He was my original suspicion... But I have been jumping around lately.

Nave/Delvro/Vocal I have no idea.

Delvro is pretty townie.
Nabe, pfft. I don't even know. Just null.
Vocal, has been lurkish. Vocal can go even tho I protected him. I doubt my own protections, yes.

 

[#HBC | J]

Unvote

Whatcha got Rockin?

 

[Delvro]

Dangit Ranmaru, I sit here defending you and then you say something ridiculously scummy. Wtf.

 

[ranmaru]

What? I'm being honest. What seemed scummy to you from my statement? Am I wrong?

Also, I appreciate the defense, but why do you feel like defending me?

 

[Rockin]

Yes, I still do. As I have posted, I believe J to be the scummiest. He was my original suspicion...

WHY?

This shouldn't be hard to answer, ram.

 

[ranmaru]

WHY?

Because I have always suspected that he would somehow become vt after executing X1. How the hell did he get such a good read on him? That doesn't sit well with me.

Why, did you not ever question J? I have always suspected him, that is why I didn't protect him.

 

[#HBC | J]

Ran, in that last paragraph you tell a lie.

 

[#HBC | J]

Also Ran, after you usually use a One-Shot ability , you go to being a VT and I proved as such with my re-test of my ability.

 

[ranmaru]

Did I ever say I am changing the lynch to you?

I said I'd like to lynch you and patience.

I never asked DH to follow me blindly lately. Key word in italics

Sword/Delvro: Why are you two not voting Tandora if you believe her to be scummy?

Here you say I have said that you were CHANGING the lynch to me. I never exactly said that, and yet Kirbyoshi said I did also.

"Now I want to know what made you want to lynch me, J."

I never asked "Why did you want to change..."

I asked why you wanted to lynch me. Ok, I will change the word if you would like. Why would you like to lynch me? (as you have said)


I have the patience, but I don't see why you could say one line of "Ran did this and that is why I think he is scummy now"

You are poking at him. You ask him why he isn't voting Rockin or Kuz. I could understand if you ask why he isn't voting, but you are being quite specific.

Here is me specifying this.

Kuz you never gave examples. You ignored my question; but why didn't you say it was unimportant then? (When you said you'd rather go Tanny > Kirb and Rockin over both)

@J: What was your read on me before and why has it changed?

As you can see, I said the word changed when it was relating to J's read on me. The word LYNCH isn't there.

J, he's not going to follow you blindly. The lynch should only happen if the the other votees agree.

Now I want to know what made you want to lynch me, J. I still suspect you, but I noticed the legit case on Kuz.

Plus, I don't like how Kuz is avoiding my question as if it's unimportant. I think he is hiding something. (He won't say how I played the same, he only states that I did play the same, that doesn't cut it)

But still, IGMEOY J.

This post has the word LYNCH and WANT. Want isn't a verb, yet change is. So want would refer to J's subjective view of the lynch. It wouldn't have to do with a lynch being changed at all.


Man it's hard digging up stuff. I wish there was an easier way.

Rockin do you find my statement odd?

 

[Rockin]

WHY?

Because I have always suspected that he would somehow become vt after executing X1. How the hell did he get such a good read on him? That doesn't sit well with me.

Why, did you not ever question J? I have always suspected him, that is why I didn't protect him.

So what are you exactly trying to say? Also, I'm asking as to WHY you think that J is scummy. I expected a bit more content from you, especially since you feel so confident on him being scum.

I'm really starting to not believe you, Ramu. Your words are getting really faulty.

 

[ranmaru]

Nope, not a lie at all.

 

[ranmaru]

I told you why. I didn't trust his transformation. He wasn't confirmed. How would I know?

 

[#HBC | J]

You said you didn't protect me but you have said before that you had.

What is the truth?

 

[Rockin]

Rockin do you find my statement odd?

I find it very odd and contradicting. Especially when you just said you didn't protect J, when you actually did N5.

wtf man?

 

[ranmaru]

The nite I protected Vocal, I didn't protect J. : D

N5, I protected J.

 

[#HBC | J]

Vote: Ranmaru

I need to get some sleep because I havr alot of preparing to do for Katsucon and I still have to go to school tomorrow so I doubt i will be able to post till when I get back Monday/Tuesdayish.

My vote is staying here till I get back.

 

[#HBC | J]

Oi....

It must be the tiredness but hat Ranmaru is aaying going back an forth is confusing me and just looks terrible.

 

[ranmaru]

Anyways please look at quotes I brought up.

Everyone very well knows that they wondered why I didn't protect J. I suspected him, I wouldn't mind him dying. How come scum hadn't nk'd J?

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh jezus *facepalm*

Yea, I'm going to bed.

 

[-Vocal-]

Well the reason I want to vote Vocal has nothing to do with power roles. I simply think that Vocal, by far, is the scummiest acting player still in this game. He lurks, he doesn't add much of anything, and he is the scummiest player on my list that I posted (first post of mine in the game) still alive.

I honestly don't think Ranmaru is scum because why would scum not kill N1 right after losing their first member in their first lynch? If I were scum I would freak out and kill, kill, kill the townies. After all, scum especially wants to kill the cop (if they assume there's a cop), watcher, etc etc.

Sorry about the lurking; I had two exams this week (one Tuesday and one today) so I wasn't dedicating as much time to recreation as I usually do.

I don't like the way that Ranmaru has been posting lately, but I don't know what that could possibly mean. If he were to flip as scum, how is it possible that there have been two no-kills? Mafia would simply choose not to kill? I highly doubt that they (or, at this time, he) would do that, as it makes their (or, at this time, his) chances of winning so much lower...so what could all of Ran's scumminess possibly even mean?

Theory: is it possible that there is a Doc that cannot target himself, and thus did not want to expose himself as he could be killed the next night and no longer be of use to town?..nah, nevermind. Realized that person would have pushed hard for a Ran lynch, and I don't think anyone has.

I'm just really not sure what to make of Ran's scum behavior, because if he wasn't the doctor there'd be too many unanswered questions. On top of that, Rockin's watched him several times; wouldn't that have revealed him as scum if he had killed someone?

I still think that the play for the day should be either Nabe or Delvro. I've said it before and nothing has swayed my opinion enough - I simply think they are the most likely to hold the last mafia slot.

 

[ranmaru]

Rockin has also deviated from plan.

 

[ranmaru]

I'd go Nabe.