Inception mafia: Town and Indy Joint Win!

[ranmaru]

Yes, last night. The night I didn't, I protected J. I didn't want to continue deviating from the plan, because scum might try to kill Rockin from under me.

 

[Rockin]

I just saw what you said, though I still doubt it highly.

You recieved a visiting role, to which you used this said visiting role on a confirmed townie instead of using it on Ramu, the same one you hoped that I have watched. ONLY Mafia would try to hit a garanteed townie, cause they dislike those that are confirmed.

Do you see why I'm not buying this at all?

 

[ranmaru]

You are correct. Since you would possibly be watching me, he knew he could somehow visit Swords, who would be mod confirmed town, and watch him die the next night.

I am not unvoting. Also Nabe, who else do you think could be scum?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Like I said yesterDay, lynch should be me or Delv. But we'll see what goes on.

Swords watch was a very good call and proves that Rockin is a watcher, by the way. Definitively. Because J admitted to visiting.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

If someone protected Swords from a kill, now would be a terrific time to speak up, by the way.

 

[ranmaru]

I'd rather lynch J... Why do you say you over Delv, Nabe? I would want Delv over you, Nabe. (Because he seemed a bit too obvious)

Also J knows I have always had suspicions for him, even though I protected him once. (I'm still suspecting whether he transformed to a vt or not)

 

[ranmaru]

I never did.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

lol. I don't say me over Delv; rather, lynches of Delv and I in some order is the way to go for town. Obviously I don't think I'm scum.

J is very likely mafia unless no one claims to have kept Swords alive. If there's no method of keeping Swords alive, then the NK was on Rockin last Night, because J can't have attacked Swords.

Has anyone else been silenced aside from Kuz? Anyone at all?

 

[Rockin]

Like I said yesterDay, lynch should be me or Delv. But we'll see what goes on.

WHY you or Delvro? Are you hiding something?

We have someone who visited a confirmed town for some odd reason. Why are you trying to avoid a J lynch?

 

[ranmaru]

But I protected Rockin last night. I would rather J/Delvro, but Rockin is right.

I think Nabe is trying to show townie recklessness. Or I mean, he'd give a life to save a life (of a townie).

 

[Delvro]

^ What he said! (I was about to post the same thing)

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh good god the obviousness of what is actually going on occurred to me driving home.

Eating dinner while writing a post.

Ran, so one last time, who did you protect?

 

[Delvro]

By he I mean Rockin, not Ranmaru.

I have no idea why Ranmaru decided that the lynch should be between J/Delvro.

 

[Rockin]

^ What he said! (I was about to post the same thing)

Delvro, did you claim? I don't think I remember you did (if you didn't, can you refresh my memory?) Nabe, same thing

 

[ranmaru]

Last night I protected Rockin.

 

[#HBC | J]

Ranmaru, but how if you just said you deviated from the plan not only right after Rockin did?

 

[ranmaru]

The night Kuz died, I protected J. I knew people would know I was protecting Rockin, so I protected J. I wasn't so sure of his towniness, but I did it anyways just in case.

 

[ranmaru]

Right, I did. Only once. When I talked about deviating, I was reffering to the one night I protected you. That, was the only time. Would you think I would keep protecting others? I don't want scum to kill my target for protecting under me. It's really risky to do it more than once, while they know I possibly deviated from the plan.

 

[Delvro]

Harry Potter, Vanilla Townie.

Nabe's latest comment is so bizarre. Acts like the latest revelation isn't even slightly suspicious for J. Whatever.

Ranmaru, your analysis of Nabe is silly.

Having said all this, until proven otherwise, I'm pretty much assuming J is scum, but first I'll wait until J explains this revelation that he keeps delaying.

 

[ranmaru]

Can you elaborate on how it is silly?

 

[Delvro]

That you apparently don't think he is scum even though, in your words, he's attempting to show townie recklessness.

But regardless, this is a distraction. I want J's revelation.

 

[ranmaru]

Ah, ok. So do you think he is scum trying to show townie recklessness?

 

[Delvro]

No, I think J is scum.

But if I made a comment like yours, I would make it while thinking Nabe is scum.

 

[#HBC | J]

Delvro, I am not delaying a thing. Honestly if I could just empty what I have to say then I will.

Delvro, how am I scum again? You were just praising to almighty that I was town and there was not a blemish on my person. It's just Rockin's report correct?

 

[#HBC | J]

*change will with could

 

[Delvro]

Yes, it's Rockin's report and only that.

If you want to convince me that you're town, you really need to give us that revelation ASAP.

Without it, I can only assume that you're an executioner/silencer and you silenced Sworddancer and attempted to kill Rockin.

 

[ranmaru]

No, we will wait until he comes back to post.

unvote: J.

I want to know why he visited Swords.

 

[Delvro]

Well, I guess if Sworddancer posts something (proving he's not silenced) then that would mean my theory is wrong as well.

 

[#HBC | J]

^Was just going to point that out.

I hate ninjas, except Hinata.

Swords, post if you can.

 

[ranmaru]

I have seen him post elsewhere... ;-;

 

[#HBC | J]

He's viewing now.

 

[#HBC | J]

btw if you are questioning why I can still be posting one liners while typing;

two tabs.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I'm not slicened though. I haven't read anything that went on but I have not been told that I'm silenced.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Okay I've read everything I missed. J MAKE your next post your explanation. Don't post anything else but that.

 

[Delvro]

My theory is wrong =(

Still, explanation please! Really can't make a decision without it.

 

[Rockin]

My theory is wrong =(

Still, explanation please! Really can't make a decision without it.

What decision can you really make with someone aquiring a visiting role and then visiting a confirmed town?

Ugh. -_-;

 

[Delvro]

Rockin, I know I can rely on you to make J's revelation look as scummy as possible. That's why I'm waiting.

Doesn't that make you feel good? <3

 

[Rockin]

Rockin, I know I can rely on you to make J's revelation look as scummy as possible. That's why I'm waiting.

Doesn't that make you feel good? <3

Don't avoid the question. >:

 

[Delvro]

Ha! I didn't think you wanted an answer to a question like that.

For information, of course. Scum or no, I want to know what J's claimed role is and what could possibly have happened to Sworddancer today, since he was clearly targeted with something.

Hold your horses Rockin, I'll vote when I wanna!

 

[#HBC | J]

Alright let's get to going now. So last night I was fvisited by KY, well more or less Ronike on aim, he im'd me saying that I had acquired a one-shot ability during in the night. It was from Kirbyoshi and he had chosen me to receive this. I had to use it during this night or the ability would be wasted since KY could only maintain his ghostly form for so long. He gave me something apparantly and said it was something I could use to force the light out justice. I am assuming the force but I am not that big of a Stars Wars nerd. Anyways let us get to it. The ability I gained was a One-Shot Cop Investigation. I found this weird, first off, this proves there is no other cop in the game and if anyone were to have claimed as such, they were/is lieing. Now let's get to what I did with said ability.

I investigated Swords, hence why Rockin saw me visiting him. I got an innocent on Swords and he is 100% gaureenteed town. Now that to me makes Rockin/Swords/J confirmed town. Now you fellows are all probably wondering why in the world did I pick Swords? Well here's the thing, two things bothered me yesterDay after KY's lynch that two people said. It got me thinking about the possibilities of something.

[Collapse=Reasons for Swords Cop investigation]

I have to agree with Nabe.

Let's just lynch everyone until only J/Ranmaru/Rockin remain.....

Maybe Vocal if we can convince ourselves that he's a mafia redirector/silencer and redirected the protect to his target.... o_O

God this is what happens when you're out of good scum reads.

Still alive:
Sworddancer - V - VT
Ranmaru - Griffin - Doctor
Delvro - Harry Potter - (Did he claim VT?)
Nabe - Jack Sparrow - VT
J - Leonidas - One-Shot Executioner
Vocal - Tony Stark - VT
Rockin - Batman - Watcher

Rockin, what iteration of Batman are you? Don't get me wrong, but I'd bet you're the recent Batman, right?
i.e. Christopher Nolan's Batman.

What do we know?

• Swords is town. Some of you may think that this goes without saying, but we weren't given any assurance from the mod that he has the same role that he did before. And he was on a beach from Inception, surrounded by people from Inception. But he's town because his explanation makes a ton of sense. Cobb as limbo reviver makes sense, and DH would obviously not have picked Tom. His story checks out 100%, no doubt.

[/COLLAPSE]

With these two posts combined when I was doing my re-read to see who would make a good and final cop investigation. Swords might have been town but that looming doubt that he would be lynched just startled me but in my re-read I also saw why I never truly believed Swords to be town because of my suspicions of him before he died during the night. I don't know what type of rut I got into but

I protected you, Rockin.

^Note he says this multiple times.

I also doubt that someone tried to kill you Rockin. My protect was different this time. I think no one actually tried to kill anyone last night.

Why do you guys think the person wouldn't need to kill, or kill directly?

Your results would make me think J could be a killer that would have to kill in advance (like a poisoner)

I'm fine with him dying. If something is wrong, then after J lynch, we lynch Delvro.

Vote: J

What evidence do we have to suggest that there is a poisoner/indirect killing role? What evidence do we have to suggest such a thing?

I thought it was different. It wasn't. They were all the same, sorry. I thought your protect was the only successful one.

But now I'm not sure if the killer directly kills at all. The night I protected you, no kill. The next night, Sword got killed. Then no kill again. This may be an indiret kill.

You skipped Kuzi's death. Again explain indirect kill.

Ok, so it makes sense for the mafia to kill Sworddancer since he rose from the dead and is pretty much confirmed town... and J targeted Sworddancer... so why didn't Sworddancer die?

Well just gim-.....

OH! The silence!!!! Of course.

J tried to kill Rockin and silence Sword.

VOTE: J

*facepalm*

Ok, why is it weird? I just don't understand why Leonidas can execute only once.

Really?

So, do you think Vocal can still be scum? I'm not even sure if I protected correctly that night now. Thanks to Rockin's results, what if the nkiller killed the night before? Maybe that is why Vocal nor anyone else died at that night. Why would scum not kill in two instances?

........................................what?

I mean what?! Pardon me, but did you just say that you think Vocal can still be scum and you have no idea if you protected correctly that night. Where are you possibly getting this Indirect killer stuff? Also if you legitely protected Vocal N1 then you should know that he is town to you. Possibly to all of us because we have no definitive evidence that you are telling the truth.

Swords IS town.

Agreed....oh wait, that's me. Still agree. Town consists of Swords/Rockin/J and I'll add Ran.

Now we only have Delvro/Nabe/Vocal and with Ran's "protect" if we include it then, Delvro/Nabe are the only two possibilites. If neither of these pop scum (which I extremely, highly doubt) Ran/Vocal hold the last scum in which we have to decide between them.

[Collapse=Rockin and Ran's Buddying of him]

I just saw what you said, though I still doubt it highly.

You recieved a visiting role, to which you used this said visiting role on a confirmed townie instead of using it on Ramu, the same one you hoped that I have watched. ONLY Mafia would try to hit a garanteed townie, cause they dislike those that are confirmed.

Do you see why I'm not buying this at all?

You are correct. Since you would possibly be watching me, he knew he could somehow visit Swords, who would be mod confirmed town, and watch him die the next night.

I am not unvoting. Also Nabe, who else do you think could be scum?

[/COLLAPSE]

- I say this alot, but Swords was not confirmed town. I may sound like an idiot but I will stand by this because I stand by what I think. However he is confirmed town now.
- Only Mafia? Why has Mafia not targetted me then? Why in FF7 remix did they not target Nix confirmed town mason? Why in SC did mafia not NK Myself/Swiss confirmed town masons together? Why in NBC mafia did mafia not NK innocent people or claimed/proven doctor? Why in NBC mafia did they not NK confirmed town/indie role TigerWoods? Your line of thought is based on conjecture to what you personally think.
- Reason I didn't use it on Ran? My thoughts got confuzzled to be honest and I have been trying to convince myself of his doc claim all game and if he is telling the truth as others have pointed out Ran + Vocal = two confirmed towns and thus would be a waste of an investigation if everyone in the town regarded Ran as town as Myself and Rockin.
- Ran has been Rockin's personal buddy or trying to now hasn't he? Idk just feel like pointing it out.
- Ran has stubborness
- Ran tries to ask for Nabe's scum-picks in a situation where Ran has "J must be scum and thus game should be over." Why ask for scum-picks when we are all at a stale-mate PLUS Nabe has stated his views multiple times.
- Ran parrots Rockin

Swords watch was a very good call and proves that Rockin is a watcher, by the way. Definitively. Because J admitted to visiting.

Agreed.

[Collapse=Key point]

If someone protected Swords from a kill, now would be a terrific time to speak up, by the way.

I never did.

lol. I don't say me over Delv; rather, lynches of Delv and I in some order is the way to go for town. Obviously I don't think I'm scum.

J is very likely mafia unless no one claims to have kept Swords alive. If there's no method of keeping Swords alive, then the NK was on Rockin last Night, because J can't have attacked Swords.

Has anyone else been silenced aside from Kuz? Anyone at all?

[/Collapse]

- Rockin watched Swords
- Only J was seen visiting him (investigating Swords)
- Ran says he did not protect Swords
- Profit?

Nabe, explain if you still believe I am very likely mafia.

WHY you or Delvro? Are you hiding something?

We have someone who visited a confirmed town for some odd reason. Why are you trying to avoid a J lynch?

Swords was in no way a confirmed town however I could see the logic behind what you are getting at but I did not agree hence why I agreed to his

Last night I protected Rockin.

^Remembering this again.

Yes, it's Rockin's report and only that.

If you want to convince me that you're town, you really need to give us that revelation ASAP.

Without it, I can only assume that you're an executioner/silencer and you silenced Sworddancer and attempted to kill Rockin.

Wow you are fickle.

Executioner/Silencer/Mafia right? That would be an over-powered role.

I'm not slicened though. I haven't read anything that went on but I have not been told that I'm silenced.

^Proves I am not a Night silencer.

However remember, Kuzi was still silenced during the twilight phase of DH's lynch in which the silencer is a day ability so why would a Silencer be visiting people at night unless they are the mafia as well. We are also assuming that Silencer = Mafia last PR because all signs point to that and what we have seen from that. However no one else has spoken up to being silenced whatsoever so we have no proof besides what Kuzi told us before he was NK'd.

J... your actions have not been scummy AT ALL and I've said so. Problem is that my scummiest read at the moment, Vocal, is essentially cleared because of Ranmaru.

And the only way that Ranmaru can be scum is if killing is NOT compulsive AND scum had a doctor safeclaim. Doesn't make sense.

Swords, I'm having enough trouble finding a third scum member. How can you say there's 4? Ranmaru/Vocal or something? Risky.

Also J you're right, I forgot that we know there's a silencer in this game. Ok, I'm pretty much convinced you're 100% town.

@Rockin: You need to explain how I am scum. If I am scum explain every key factor. Why did I execute X1? What actions point to me being scum? How did I preform the NK if I was seen visiting Swords and Ran did not protect Swords? Also you are jumping the gun and getting deluded by what you saw and have gained a bit of tunnel-vision to that I must be scum because I visited Sworddancer last night but how is that indicitive of making me mafia? Explain your entire thought process to me.

Town is confirmed by the following to me:

J
Rockin
Sworddancer

Middle variables

Ranmaru
Vocal

Scum

Delvro
Nabe

We must choose between Delvro and Nabe.

Someone also needs to explain clearly how I am mafia. Explain these to me:

Why was there no NK?
Why did I execute X1-12?
Any scummy actions that I have done this entire game.
How am I the Mafia Executing Silencer?
Why would I benefit from Silencing Kuzi before DH's flip?

If people do not believe me then that is their loss but I cannot do anything more then what I did with the gift KY entrusted me with before he passed on. I am sorry if you think the choice I made was a poor one but it was a choice I had to make for myself.

@Delvro: You need to quit flip-flopping, make your own stance on me as of now. Also if you understand it at this point. It is you or Nabe. Should you die or should Nabe? What happened to your views of me beforehand? Go as in-depth as possible who is the last scum. Convince me of Nabe over yourself.

@Nabe: Convince me of Delvro over yourself.

@Vocal: Please get more useful. Express your thoughts on everything you can.

@Swords: Thoughts?

@Ranmaru: Why are you playing so scummy toDay?

I am not comfortable with placing my vote on either Nabe/Delvro until I hear from both sides of the current arguement as to who should go.