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Inception mafia: Town and Indy Joint Win!

th3kuzinator

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ran you're latching onto the wrong types of information and asking the wrong types of questions.

try to question the meaning behind what someone says not how they choose to word it.
 

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Ok Kuz, Why do you think J asked me this then? Kirb I want your answer to this as well, since you say I'm tick tacky with his wording.

"Did I ever say I am changing the lynch to you?

I said I'd like to lynch you and patience."

If it's a misunderstanding, please clear it up for me.
 

#HBC | J

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Now that I think of it, how are we sure that he can't still execute? I mean, how was he so sure X1 needed to go? Why couldn't he just wait for a lynch?

J, why do you want Kuz dead?
You should know this answer before even asking this question. Shows you were skimming.

@J: Thank you. Although you didn't have to do it like that, but thanks for showing me.

J, do you think Cello may have been scum for not noticing what you noticed? (About X1)

I asked you because I was suspicious as to why you wanted him dead.
You would have already found your answer if you were to have read the previous 2 pages from this post. I mean There was obviously a reason for me wanting to lynch him if I got a total of 4 people on the wagon. Did you think people really just hopped on to hop on?

@J: I mean you asked me, and then proceeded to do the execution example anyways. I said that you could just have asked me and waited for a response.

Kuz, do you think X1 did that on purpose so J could get semi-cleared? Would you like J copped?

I don't know. J and Tandora are the only ones who want you dead as if you were scum. The others only voted because they are sure of J's read. I need to look into why Tandora is pressuring you now...

Although, I agree with J about Kuz wanting me dead for my interactions with X1. He agreed with Kirb about my death.

Kirb was content on lynching me because of X1's actions, and not mine. So J, I'd go Kuz/Kirb most likely.

But Kuz now says me and Vocal are town. a little suspicious.

Rockin, do you really think Kuz is scum? Who are your 3 scum picks?
You are playing a middleman in this post where you are not calling anyone directly scummy but saying you do not like what you are seeing so far. Also why is Tanny the only one calling kuzi scum? KY has, Rockin has stated he sees kuzi's scummy behaviour, and Tery iirc has said he is not liking kuzi. Also let's look at the bolded sentence in question:

Why should we cop you?

What do you care less about?

Also please answer my last post.
The cop question has such an obvious answer to ask if

Kuz, what do you think of Kirbyoshi?
You knew the answer to this if you have read. Skimming strike again. Did you even read what has transpired on this one rl day?

@J: What was your read on me before and why has it changed?
This is important how to my current read on you how?

Can someone tell me why I wanna lynch Ran as well as th3kuzi now?
I am bringing up this post which started all this from Ranmaru. Ranmaru has been getting extremely defensive about me just saying that I was wondering why I wanted to lynch him. I never even made a definitive decision if I wanted to follow this but he fell for the trap and continued to get more and more worried about what I was doing and has been trying to nit-pick what I have said as in words but has not really done anything with what I have directly said. I wanted to see what his reaction would be to me saying that he could be a lynch candidate and he to be quite frank failed. He continues to try and ask questions that do not hold that much info and th3kuzi has even pointed it out in huge, bold, underlined letters that it was unimportant. Also what has Ran been doing as scum-hunting? He has seemed active enough but has he persued someone directly? He has been saying he has his eye on me but why has he not put his vote on me yet? In fact why has he not put his vote on anyone yet iirc. Let's see.....

I'm strongly thinking of moving to Ran.

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Vote: Ranmaru


th3kuzinator is no way done and I still have enough to do this: HoS: th3kuzinator

But I'm feeling Ran at the moment more. Also lynch chain?

th3kuzi/Ran>>>Dark Horse>>>Kirbyoshi/Rockin>>>Tandora
 

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Sword/Delvro: Why are you two not voting Tandora if you believe her to be scummy?
Actually I was busy building a case aginst her, that's why!

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Tanny's play was always in the the back of my mind toDay, but Delvo's recent "Tanny is playing advice dog" part of post has inspired me to go and look back at her posts to see if there is truth in those statments. (hint: it's true!)

Note that I'm only bringing up quotes that bother me, if I went through all of her posts this would take forever.

Wait...I thought Jesters had to self-hammer.




Rockin, I agree with your post overall. However, your estimation of Cello is completely wrong. There are some people he likes to tunnel. It varies from person to person. First there was FF, then there was J, and now you. (I'm sure there were people inbetween, but those are the ones I thought of)

I'm glad to see you're more comfortable with your own sexuality to be okay with the thought of Cello man crushing on you. But the simple fact is you'll never be more than frenemies.

@Cello, between Rockin and KY, I'd go for KY. I'd like to see more from Rockin, but I think his posts so far fit what I have seen of his town play. Haven't played with KY in a while so seeing his reaction to pressure would be good.

VOTE KIRBYOSHI
This post right here is what starts to bother me about her play. This post starts off her tendacy to give advice rather then actually try to be usful. I'm also really not liking the KY vote. Her reason seems really week and it gives off vibes that she was just trying to find a reason to jump on a bandwagon.

After it was pointed out, I realized my mistake. Partly blame it on never having played with a jester on forum.



I can see the point Vocal is making. However, anyone can pretty much take three posts and make a point on them. I don't feel they necessarily prove KY's alignment. I think however, it does point positively towards Vocal for pulling them up.



Not cool, man.

I get that Cello is hard headed. But do you think mocking him is going to make him agree with you or make you not look like a jerk? Make your points, disagree with him, or ignore him, but statements like the one above just lead to personal arguing that is all too often T-v-T which I would like to avoid.



I love how my joke about Kuz learning Ate from you makes you do a visual Ate. :awesome:



It's RVS ( or was) and I just never know how to get into that stage. Sitting back, commenting here and there. You know?

I've also made the mistake of being active in four games and I'm letting the oldest one have priority for activity. I WILL NOT BE A LURKER! I'm just saying until the game gets into more full swing, I just not gonna say much. It makes me look scum every game. =/

Also, I've seen lately that town tends to drag its feet on lynch wagons. We get down to the zero hour, scramble to get a lynch and a townie dies. Suck. So I wanted to participate on the KY wagon for some reads. Heck, the Kuz wagon got some good reactions, so I'm feeling pretty good about this game.

And I"m really glad we're moving away from the DBZ flavor and it being "D3". Although those reactions are good to look at, I don't think our whole discussions needed to be about them.

As far as X1 goes, yeah I see him as being scummy. But he's always on my scumdar and I've found that makes me tunnel unnecessarily. Ironically, it makes me less likely to lead a lynch on him because of that personal WIFOM.
Third to last paragraph: Not important, people already know this stuff. It's really just filler.
Second to last paragraph: Spoken way after the fact. Also pointless filler.
Last paragraph: wishy-washy

everything else about this post is fine, I guess.

That's not what I heard from the grapevine. >.>

As far as scummy players, it's still a little early from me. I probably say this every game, but I don't really get invested until D2.

Would definitely like to hear more from Bed now that you're posting.
I like the idea of pressuring inactives to get reactions and to get them involved in the game. However, that only works if they are actually lurking. Unless we know for a fact that Bed has been looking at the thread at any point, pressuring him has no effect. It would be a waste of time.

Inactivity past the point of posting once every 72 hours should fall to the responsibility of the mod. Players should definitely remind/request for prods, but ultimately, it is the mod who determines if a player needs to be replaced or modkilled.

REQUEST PROD FOR SIR BED
These two posts all are super duper fluffy. There is no intent to catch scum in them. There all meant just to show us that she exists still. This is definitly advice dog here.

God, this and every single damn game I've ever played complains about how quiet I am on D1. Let's be honest, although there's some content going on the last couple of pages, what I have mostly seen is Kuz telling Teryble how to run their stupid hydra.

There's been more discussion about how a hydra has been managed than anything else.

Also, kinda is discouraging to get involved when we have people saying the following:
No johns :awesome:

Also stalling much?

It comes off as fluff defense. "Your argument is invalid because you cannot you posted in green instead of white." I mean realistically TD is attempting to do town a favor by showing who's thinking what when and how instead of the usual hydra ambiguity. And Kuz focuses on that?

Add it to his previous strike for supporting a guilty claim and I just don't like his play. Trying to decide if my fear of him being jester is valid or not before I move my vote.
I cannot fathom why she would seriously be cocerned at all with there beig a jester. It seems so . . . pointless to me.

Also more stalling.

I gave up on multiquotig after this post so I could start to construct this one, so . . . yeah.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11998499&postcount=419

This post is constructed to just make a point, but it does not actually go anywhere. Bad

vhttp://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12003353&postcount=442

REALLY bad. This post goes nowhere, at all. I mean I can understand aswering a question, but it's really just a whole lot of nothing important.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12021756&postcount=622

Again, she states another person she's suspicious of but does nothing to go after them. Also, she has a town read on two players but does nothing to try to stear off the wagon, cause there's "not enough time." What? Dude, 30 hours is plenty of time! This seems like you're trying to clear all links between you and townies. Do not like.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12056844&postcount=901

Mostly just more advice dog here.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12060109&postcount=946

Cello sums this up nicly in his 249:

Cello said:
NOT HELPFUL.
Her 978 is also not helpful.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12066446&postcount=1038

This still makes no sense, at all. Seriously, lynching someone cause you think they might be jester who has to hammer themselves to win is terribad.

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Other points of interest:

-Practically the only time Tanny gives actual opinions of stuff is when she's asked for it.
-Her lurkingish playstyle could be interpertated as scum having a hard time finding what to say. I know that personally, when I'm scum, I have a hard time getting into the converstion just because I'm super careful about slipping up.
-To her defense, she did attack X1 in her 392. However, she did not follow up on any suspicion she had for X1 (or anyone she said was scummy, for that matter). This makes it feel more likely to be a bus.
-Also to her defense, there was a handful of her posts which seemed legit enough for me. Still not enough though to get her out of the hot water she's in now.
-Guys look at my 615 and then X1's 616. Ha, that's pretty bad looking for Tanny right there. Now look at X1's 630. He metions her somewhat and attacks her. Nothing super hardcore though. He takes a fairly safe stance on her. Also it's important to note that she never responds to X1's attack, even though she previously thought he was acting "OOC." pretty suspicious stuff if you ask me.

Really, having seems scummy one way or another, but at this point she simply seems the scummiest.

vote tanny

Other people to consider lynching toDay include (in order):

Rockin

Mainly just because I actually find him in the most iffy gray area i this game that I am not comfortable having any player in. Generally connot remember what he has done for us this game.

Bed playerslot

For the same reason as above, but at the very least he posted good things when he did post (at least I think so).

KY

For X1's direct defense of him late yesterDay and for his iffish claim.

Ran

Lots of pointless stuff being posted by him. Want to see him play toDay out more before I make a stronger judgment of him though.

DH/Kuz

For the reasons that everyone else finds these two scummy, cept that I simply don't find them nearly as scummy.

I think Tanny is definitly the way to go toDay.

J I saw you made a post before this but I did not read it so sorry if I ninja anything.
 

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Me said:
Ran

Lots of pointless stuff being posted by him. Want to see him play toDay out more before I make a stronger judgment of him though.
This point has become null after J's most recent post pretty much. Now I just want to see Ran's reaction I suppose.
 

#HBC | J

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Sword,

Ran or th3kuzi? Your list shows that you prefer Ran>th3kuzi but is this true?

Interesting. Two cases side by side. I wonder who's will gather the majority.
 

#HBC | Dancer

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I'll prefer Ran lynched if I had to choose between the two right now.

Sure, Kuz is frailing about, but I don't see anything too scummy about about it. It's simply more just self-centered if you ask me.
 

#HBC | J

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3 cases?

1 on th3kuzi
1 on Ranmaru
1 on Tandora

Are those who you are talking about or are you including yours on Rockin?
 

#HBC | J

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Personally, I do not see Tandora as the lynch toDay but Sword definetely brought up some interesting points. I wanna see what she has to say in regards to his case.
 

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More like FOUR cases! :bee:

@Kuz: Only if a Rockin lynch ended up being the only way to go. I'll much prefer a tanny lynch toDay over him.
 

th3kuzinator

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GODDAM Swords!

I told you in the QT that I would be making the joke about the number of cases.

gosh, people these days
 

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Tanny: I don't know if I am right or wrong about the Jester comment, but who cares? All your evidence is circumstantial and, despite your case involving very little x1 meta, ill use it as my excuse to hammer you when you are at L-1.
My evidence is in your actions. You backed a guilty claim during RVS, you pushed people to vote for you and now trouble has come home to roost. If you think I'm being overly paranoid about your behavior after I've seen how you've played as scum, I got two words for you:

BRING IT!

If you're at L-2, then you better claim, because if I see you go to L-1, I am not going to give you a chance to self hammer. Screw that.
 

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Tandora, however, is scummy. She plays like Advice Dog more than like Opinion Dog and I find that scum love to do this.
Oh, nice brightly colored gimmick to make me look bad. You already admitted you were wrong about me with your brief read, then you're gonna skip ahead and claim I'm advice dog?

Go back and read where I actually tried to defend people against Cello's ridiculous, tunneling attacks. Like Cello's blatant "I'll lynch Rockin until he flips scum, it has to happen sooner or later." Yeah, great town play there.
 

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Yes I am kuz, indy jester who spent two hours this morning actually trying to scum hunt by making a long *** case on rockin.

Because thats what jesters do. You amuse me tando, I can't believe you actually think I am a jester.

And no you will not quick hammer me cuz thats dumb.

unvote
vote tandora


btw you answered your own question in that post

"You backed a guilty claim during RVS, you pushed people to vote for you (DURING RVS) and now trouble has come home to roost (because of how you played self-confidently in the beginning of D2 (which as nothing to do with jesters)). "

Fixd
 

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By the way, if anyone hammers before I finish reading, they're scum. Especially if they hammer Kuz.
I'd like you to amend that to whoever puts Kuz to L-1 is scum IF Kuz flips town because I've been very vocal since the beginning his play is wrong, wrong, wrong. I will hammer him if the opportunity presents itself because I don't trust his motivations one bit.
 

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Ran do you want me to prove that I can no longer execute anyone? I can do that now since Kuzi has 4 votes on him.

Execute: th3kuzinator

This will prove my ability was a one-shot. I also used my ability because the deadline was extremely close and none of the wagons had enough people to fufill a lynch and I was confident enough on my read on X1 to execute him.

I want th3kuzi dead because he is my strongest scum-read at the moment. When I believe someone is acting scummy I persue them.
Omg, it's true. Remember the fubar that was All-Stars? XD
 

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Tando thats not going to work. FIRST OF ALL, NEWSFLASH, JESTERS WIN BY GETTING LYNCHED (THEY DONT HAVE TO SELF HAMMER). Secondly, why would I be trying to refute the cases against me if I was trying to get to L-1

Shows
1. Skimming
and
2. Bad logic
 

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Omg, it's true. Remember the fubar that was All-Stars? XD
Hm?

And I think Tandora is answering all the posts in order and trying to do a catch up to what she has missed from today. I'm not making an opinion on all of her posts till she says she is done posting.
 

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And creating excuses now for when you say you are going to quick hammer is bogus and looks so scummy you dont even know. Also found it funny how you had to go through Delvro's post to back your sentiments up.

If you prematurely hammer me you will be punished for it, enough said.
 

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J is town, I dont want J copped as it would waste a cop investigation.

Cop me if you must, I could care less.

And I agree with Delvro that Tanny more or less concentrated on giving advice D1 rather than stances and opinions. It is true that scum love to give advice.
You know since you have used meta as proof before, isn't it also true that I tend to play pretty quietly during D1? Regardless of my alignment? In fact, IF I were to use meta, I'd point out I was EXTREMELY vocal as scum on D1 of DND, my previous, precious partner.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. :awesome:
 

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You know since you have used meta as proof before, isn't it also true that I tend to play pretty quietly during D1? Regardless of my alignment? In fact, IF I were to use meta, I'd point out I was EXTREMELY vocal as scum on D1 of DND, my previous, precious partner.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. :awesome:
IIRC you told me to go run around in thread and ask noob questions and pretty much wing it on my own. I pretty much set up the entire wifom situation and put out the J or ToastinWaffles/Smarg.

You were way less active than me :<
 

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And creating excuses now for when you say you are going to quick hammer is bogus and looks so scummy you dont even know. Also found it funny how you had to go through Delvro's post to back your sentiments up.

If you prematurely hammer me you will be punished for it, enough said.
I'm not gonna back down on my hammer promise. I feel you're trying to hold it over my head like I'm doing something wrong when I feel I'm doing what is right.

Also, you CLAIMED you worked on that post for two hours. You might have, you might not . We have no way to prove it. And WoT does not prove innocence. And people seem to not agree to your points of view, so your whole My Post is Awesome is kinda null.

I don't trust you, I have no reason to trust you. I asked you several times why you did the whole "I'm scum" thing and you never gave a good answer. Then YOU bring it back up and I'm like "You know what? I said I'd hammer his butt, and I'll do it by god."
 

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Tanny said:
I'm not gonna back down on my hammer promise. I feel you're trying to hold it over my head like I'm doing something wrong when I feel I'm doing what is right.
Quick hammering someone as soon as they get to L-1 is doing something wrong.

Tanny said:
Also, you CLAIMED you worked on that post for two hours. You might have, you might not . We have no way to prove it. And WoT does not prove innocence. And people seem to not agree to your points of view, so your whole My Post is Awesome is kinda null.
Unimportant

I don't trust you, I have no reason to trust you. I asked you several times why you did the whole "I'm scum" thing and you never gave a good answer. Then YOU bring it back up and I'm like "You know what? I said I'd hammer his butt, and I'll do it by god."
Dont trust me then, idc, you're scum anyways. I said 6 times it was RVS and you acknowledge this. Is that not what you're saying?
 

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IIRC you told me to go run around in thread and ask noob questions and pretty much wing it on my own. I pretty much set up the entire wifom situation and put out the J or ToastinWaffles/Smarg.

You were way less active than me :<
That's my point, you cannot use that meta on me for alignment because it means nothing. And being less active than you doesn't mean anything. You post tons without much content all the time. I usually try to make one post with lots of quotes and thoughts and you know what?

People say I'm scum.

So I say screw it, I'm gonna respond to everything that grabs my attention as one post instead of lumping them together because CLEARLY more posts means more town. And long posts are boring and no one really reads them anyway. So I might as well play like the real town players because my town style sucks. So here we go, you guys get awesome train of thought Tandora because it's what you've been begging for.
 

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Dont trust me then, idc, you're scum anyways. I said 6 times it was RVS and you acknowledge this. Is that not what you're saying?
Show me where you said it was RVS BEFORE I started to take it seriously. All your comment did was make a bunch of WIFOM for me.

What I've seen from you is mostly self proclaimed meta clearance. "Oh, scum X1 does this, that makes me town. " "Oh town me does that, that makes me town. " "Oh, scum Tandora left me on the curb as a child, that makes her scum." When in reality none of your accusations have any foundation at all.

I don't like how you keep clearing yourself.
 

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Uh, 1124 saids hi.

Also you have most definitly been playing an "advice dog" game. Some posts where you do not play advice dog does not demiss the posts that you do.

You're point about him being the jester is still really REALLY bad and shows that you are tunneling.
 

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Ok, I'm done reading! Here is my list of reads: I ordered it from super town to super scummy.


J +++++++
Doom (Vanilla Townie) -+++++++
Kuz ++--++++
Sword +++-+
Dark Horse -+-++++-+
Ranmaru +++++-
Sir Bed --+
Vocal ----++-+++-
Rockin +-+---
KY (Suicidal Townie) +++-+----
Tandora -----+----

VOTE Tandora!!

I'll also accept a KY lynch. Honestly I feel like any of these lynches will pretty much out the scum team one way or another.

My ideas for scum pairs:

Tandora/ Rockin
Tandora/ KirbYoshi
Kirbyoshi/ (NOT Rockin)

I honestly wanted to jump to this page and vote KirbYoshi after I saw his role claim. I mean wtf is this role? "your first post after reaching L-1 must be a vote for yourself"? There's already a role for that. It's called HATED TOWNIE. And it's not murky and ambiguous like your role.

I know that this is mod-meta, but what kind of mod would put this role in a game? It's easily taken advantage of and it makes no sense. If KY actually WAS put at L-1, KY could "fudge" not getting lynched AND not becoming modkilled/survivor by simply NOT POSTING. Sure, you might get prods eventually, but it beats not dying.

Having said all this, I STILL think Tandora is scummier than Kirbyoshi. Every post she makes just reeks of mafia and posting just to post and not look suspicious.

Kirbyoshi, if you are not lying about your role, let me truly say that I feel sorry for you. If I was town and I truly had your role, I seriously would have lied about it and said I was vanilla town. Wtf.

I want a Tandora / Kirbyoshi lynch today. I feel more comfortable with a Tandora lynch, but KY is fine too.
 
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