I'm...working on something. Video's included.

[PKNintendo]

Kick-*** discovery. Eh, why does Ness escape it? (he has a ****ty grab release animation)

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

Kick-*** discovery. Eh, why does Ness escape it? (he has a ****ty grab release animation)

his grab realease is long, but he falls just outside the range of dtilt. Plus lucas can grab release him most of the time so this really isnt needed

 

[Irsic]

Alright, now all we need is confirmations, and changes to the list. Right now pretty much all the characters that received minimal testing but received confirmation are in the Medium section. Upon further testing these characters will either be moved up to Good, or down to Trouble.

 

[soccerdude7200]

I tested every character...if hes not on the list i gave then he fell past the range of dtilt, and I'm pretty sure diddy does fall past that range

k thanks

 

[dawgbowl]

ganon isn't on the list, i'd put him at orange maybe cyan.

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

ganon isn't on the list, i'd put him at orange maybe cyan.

i tested ganon. he fell past the range of dtilt

 

[Irsic]

Added Ganondorf to Never. Thought I was missing someone.

 

[dawgbowl]

i tested ganon. he fell past the range of dtilt

can someone else test, he stays in range for me just fine... it is probably my burned copy but i'd like confirmation from another source.

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

can someone else test, he stays in range for me just fine... it is probably my burned copy but i'd like confirmation from another source.

did you test in group mode or training mode...training mode has a tendancy to screw with knockback and such

Edit: i just tested ganon again to be sure. He does fall within range of dtilt

 

[dawgbowl]

did you test in group mode or training mode...training mode has a tendancy to screw with knockback and such

Edit: i just tested ganon again to be sure. He does fall within range of dtilt

tried group mode too, he still falls well within my range...

 

[prOAPC]

ok, i tried it again vs the same MK and it worked. I tried it three times, only worked twice (using only one dtilt), the one i miss, MK was to far from dtilt. Looks like that this tech depends entirely on how the opponent is DIing.
vs another player, using Marth (not really good), i used 2 dtilts, he trips, but i used ftilt instead of fsmash. It was a short match, i have the replay if you want to watch it (i have the .bin file)
also, i was playing vs cpus, and cpu9 always powershielded the dtilt, but vs cpu3 worked on ROB, Marth, TL and Peach (don't know if this info really matter)

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

ok, i tried it again vs the same MK and it worked. I tried it three times, only worked twice (using only one dtilt), the one i miss, MK was to far from dtilt. Looks like that this tech depends entirely on how the opponent is DIing.
vs another player, using Marth (not really good), i used 2 dtilts, he trips, but i used ftilt instead of fsmash. It was a short match, i have the replay if you want to watch it (i have the .bin file)
also, i was playing vs cpus, and cpu9 always powershielded the dtilt, but vs cpu3 worked on ROB, Marth, TL and Peach (don't know if this info really matter)

id like to see that match if you dont mind

 

[prOAPC]

here you can download the .bin file, just copy it to your SD
http://rapidshare.com/files/159193372/rp_081030_0213.bin.html

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

here you can download the .bin file, just copy it to your SD
http://rapidshare.com/files/159193372/rp_081030_0213.bin.html

ya I just watched the replay (you werent kidding when you said he wasnt that good XD). When you did the realease grab to dtilt the first one tripped him again....this is starting to look very good against marth =)

 

[Marceux]

I knew it'd depend on DI. Here's my recommendation:

If your back is facing the edge, and you're close to the edge, your opponent is most likely going to be DIing Up + Away from the Ledge if they know what they're doing. That's when I recommend you down throw them to throw them off.

If you've recently killed them with a down throw, they will most likely be DIing down, so perform the grab-release, so they'll DI down and towards you and fall in range.

If you're feeling extra naughty and grab them facing the edge, just grab release, watch them fall, and Bair.

 

[xoxokev]

this should be STICKIED, eventually

 

[prOAPC]

can someone test it on small plataforms, like the ones on BF, maybe this will work vs characters like luigi

 

[Irsic]

that's not a bad idea, some of the time they may just fall off the platform though.

apc do you think Metaknight should be moved to the medium section?

 

[Natch]

Guys, it does indeed work on Marth. I've done it like 10ish times today against my friend-who's really good and consistantly two stocks my *** with Marth. It's kinda sad, actually.

 

[Irsic]

I bet he was pissed. :D

I've heard about "Extra Inch DI" or EIDI on the Ness boards saying that there is a way to DI far enough out of range of Marth's grab release. If you have time to test with a Marth player, that would be fantastic.

 

[SwastikaPyle]

It's funny how breaking out of a person's grab is the worst option possible for so many characters. Makes you wish you could just sit in their hands and get tortured instead.

 

[prOAPC]

apc do you think Metaknight should be moved to the medium section?

i'll say, just wait for the videos and you can tell yourself

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

i seem to be able to pull it off quite consistently against mario, but you have him in the never category
why is that?
like 3/4 tries it worked. maybe i need more testing though.
more people should test this. it's really good for getting kill starting from about 60%

 

[Irsic]

I didn't do all the testing, Chaostheory did. I'll change him to the good catagory if it works that well.

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

I didn't do all the testing, Chaostheory did. I'll change him to the good catagory if it works that well.

the ony testing i did was in group mode just to see where they landed fom release grab (with absolutely no DI) never said what i put was final XD. was just a start

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

ya the first time i did it to my friends mario he was like WTF and i just laughed at him. idk if i have the replay somewhere.

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

ya ive done it to all my friends who play marth, and the extremely high trip rate still stands

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

Samus is easy as well. hmm... this makes me wonder if the ppl D3 can "infinite", excluding luigi, will land in perfect range.
mario...Samus... hmm let's go test DK and bowser. now to find a good DK lol.


Edit: wario lands in range
it seems to me if they DI away it works, well that's when it worked for me. if not it takes about 2 or 3 dtilts for him to trip depending on percentage. OH and it worked the one time i tried it on yoshi. still need to do more testing though. ike, ness, luigi and lucas = impossible

Edit 2: Link is easy as well.

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

not sure if anybody knew this but while doing this to your opponent you dont have to wait until they grab release in order to press down for the down tilt. while you are pummeling your opponent keep tapping the attack button at a constant rate. If you are pressing it fast enough when you hold the control stick down you will not down throw them. This allows for the fastest down tilt out of grab release. Just make sure you are tapping the attack button at a fast and constant rate or whn you hold down you will accidentally down throw your opponent

 

[Irsic]

Oh yeah, I do this already. If you aren't tapping A at the tight timing though you'll dthrow.

 

[Irsic]

****ing a. Today I played Marth in a tournament and I got this to work. It was the winning hit to fsmash, but my nerves got to me and guess what I did? Dash attack. I ****ing dash attacked a tripped marth when he was at 120%. I ended up losing by rolling into a tippered fsmash, Marth at 156%. I was winning the entire time, and was about to end the match with this combo.

So upset.

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

****ing a. Today I played Marth in a tournament and I got this to work. It was the winning hit to fsmash, but my nerves got to me and guess what I did? Dash attack. I ****ing dash attacked a tripped marth when he was at 120%. I ended up losing by rolling into a tippered fsmash, Marth at 156%. I was winning the entire time, and was about to end the match with this combo.

So upset.

that sucks balls >_< but hey...at least we finally figured something out to help with the marth matchup....since the time we found out about how well this works against marth ive used it to ko about 6 times XD

 

[Noraa]

For the people that cant fall into the dtilt, shouldnt they be able to get hit by a f tilt?

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

For the people that cant fall into the dtilt, shouldnt they be able to get hit by a f tilt?

thats a maybe...im bored so ill test it real quick

 

[Noraa]

I was just th8inking it would because it has more range than the dtilt and if so then it would more than likely be a real combo at any percentage.

*going by logic not testing, if some one will see that will be great

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

I was just th8inking it would because it has more range than the dtilt and if so then it would more than likely be a real combo at any percentage.

*going by logic not testing, if some one will see that will be great

I tested all the "trouble" and "never" sections and the only ones who did not fall within range of foward tilt were ice climbers, luigi, and yoshi

please note this is without any DI but i dont see how that would help in any of these three cases. They all flew pretty far away during grab release

 

[Noraa]

If those are the only 3 chars that cant be hit with ftilt then that means all the others can ALWAYS get hit with a follow up attack after the grab release whether it is dtilt or ftilt.

Of course the dtilt->stick is better but im sure we can find something for the ftilt to continue

 

[Irsic]

Updated - Changed Pikachu to Good from Never section.

Had a few games against a Pikachu and I found that this actually worked quite well against Pikachu. It in fact made him trip pretty much every time. So a bunch of characters may still require further testing. If I get more testing in on Pikachu he could potentially become a green section.

I always able to pull this on a Marth on Saturday, offline. He's staying in green, it works perfectly against Marth.

 

[Noraa]

Will some one seriously test out the ftilt from grab release.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

will someone seriously test anything? <_<