I'm done with For Glory, for good

[RoboDragon]

At least I know I'm not the only who throws the controller in a fit when they constantly lose. I wanted to talk about how I can't win against actually good players in FG, but I really want to get better at smash. I try to learn, but I just get salty and make excuses. I try to play actually good players, but get my ass handed to me so easily . I also try to learn from watching tourneys and watching videos from pro smashers, but I can't put the techniques I learn to my gameplay most of the time. I wish I had a better time learning from good players beating me, but I've always been getting mad when I lose games online, even when I was younger...

 

[Roy of Pharae]

add people here on smashboards of you are getting tired of for glory.

 

[Ghidorah14]

An update:

Well this is upsetting.

It seems that when I broke my 3ds, the bottom screen wasnt the only thing to be affected. It seems that my 3ds is utterly unable to connect to wifi whatsoever, now. I cant even read the error message because half of the touch screen is a mess of black lines. So it seems I cant play with anyone, be it here on smashboards or anther's ladder, until I get a new 3ds (or even just go HD and get a wii U + smash wii U), which may not be until christmas.

Thanks, For Glory.

 

[Roy of Pharae]

That sucks...

 

[Tino]

An update:

Well this is upsetting.

It seems that when I broke my 3ds, the bottom screen wasnt the only thing to be affected. It seems that my 3ds is utterly unable to connect to wifi whatsoever, now. I cant even read the error message because half of the touch screen is a mess of black lines. So it seems I cant play with anyone, be it here on smashboards or anther's ladder, until I get a new 3ds (or even just go HD and get a wii U + smash wii U), which may not be until christmas.

Thanks, For Glory.

Well that's no good, man...

 

[★Malik★™]

I totally understand you man.

I always say "This game is bad for my health" or something like "this game has been more stressful than it has been fun" mainly because of the tweaks to the fundamentals and bs players consciously decide to do and are rewarded for. Then you have things like its P2P system putting you against players from all over the place (You'd know with Japanese players because of their names, but what about, say, someone from Spain? You probably wouldn't know until you start the match and you notice that 1.5 second input lag). "You'll be able to play with players from around the world", maybe a cool idea on paper, but not in the performance department, especially over wifi.

Projectile spammers, rolling enthusiasts, oversheilders, keep away-ers, all rewarded compared to the aggressive play style. All of that which drives me insane! Now, this is completely opinionated / conspired of course, but just like with Pokemon X/Y compared to previous iterations, Smash 4 was probably developed with the "kids" in mind and all of what I listed seems like a "kids" way of playing. I've been out of Pokemon since gen 4 and just got back into it to fill the Pokemon itch, but hopping into X/Y; its single player aspect has been one of the easiest things I've ever played. It was practically handing me the game. EXP Share was given early on and involves all of your Pokemon instead of just one. Sure, you can turn it off, but the game was so easy to the point where I was a little bit offended by it.

But back to the Smash rage. I'm a grown man that allowed a video game to bring me to my knees, which is really sad. I will say this: it is our egos that allow all of this to get under our skin. It is our ego (at least mines) that calls us back to it. It's like gambling, you feel satisfied when you're winning, so you start to chase the wins, but when you lose, our ego destroys us. Now, I haven't thrown my 3DS like I want to, because I got the New 3DS and it was good amount of dough, but I do uninstall the game when I really see myself letting it basically kill me and take a break, which is what I did yesterday.

 

[Lyfe Everlasten]

I guess I don't really understand the anger over For Glory. I have seen plenty of spammers and people who don't know how to play, but there's a way around every play style. I don't really understand the technical things of smash, so the whole rolling thing doesn't make sense either. It's a game mechanic, use it to your advantage and read the other person's roll and punish. It's unfortunate you broke your 3DS, but try to see it for what it is: a game. I've had some pretty good experiences with a few dudes on For Glory. I've added them and still play with them. You can't expect every random person to have a perfect Internet connection and tournament level skills. Some players are kids and teenagers connected via WiFi with their family's 10 other devices connected to the router that just found out how easy it is to spam Mega Man or smash away with Marth or Lucina. If you go in with low expectations, it makes the bad outcomes a lot less bad, and the good outcomes a lot more rewarding.

Plus, let's be real: Little Mac's recovery sucks lol. Just trying to make light of your situation. Nintendo makes some awesome systems man, be good to your new 3DS or Wii U!​

 

[Jinkkk]

I wanna break my screen every time some guy that spams sonics special wins...

 

[Dark Phazon]

I wanna break my screen every time some guy that spams sonics special wins...

Link spam is the worse spam

 

[ProjectilePuff]

Link spam is the worse spam

Dude, let me list off some real BS.
Campy-A** Lucario
Roly Poly Toon Link
Spamus
Zero Skill Spaus
Supr Shanik ****ile!
Mittle Rac
Olimar and Pikmin
Down-Throw Luigi
Sheikk
Luma and Rosalina...

may i go on?

 

[Dark Phazon]

Dude, let me list off some real BS.
Campy-A** Lucario
Roly Poly Toon Link
Spamus
Zero Skill Spaus
Supr Shanik ****ile!
Mittle Rac
Olimar and Pikmin
Down-Throw Luigi
Sheikk
Luma and Rosalina...

may i go on?

I get u but stuff like Lucario rarely happens...
But Link....is everywhere...
Might aswell put ness up there too..and yes Sonic is a cancer.

 

[Ravine]

How did ZSS get this spammy reputation / no skill reputation?

 

[Tino]

Sonic and Ness spammers are the worst. I rarely see any Lucarios or Olimars.

 

[abx]

How did ZSS get this spammy reputation / no skill reputation?

I've seen quite a few ZSS players who literally just positioned themselves on one side of the stage spamming their laser, waiting for you actually shielding them, following up with the same grab fishing over and over again. When confronted with someone sitting it out out side of the laser's range they would throw in some unmotivated dash attack or maybe down b.

The funny thing is that it isn't even as effective as most spam-dependent strategies.

 

[Tino]

I've seen quite a few ZSS players who literally just positioned themselves on one side of the stage spamming their laser, waiting for you actually shielding them, following up with the same grab fishing over and over again. When confronted with someone sitting it out out side of the laser's range they would throw in some unmotivated dash attack or maybe down b.

The funny thing is that it isn't even as effective as most spam-dependent strategies.

I've seen those too. It's even more irritating when they uncontrollably dash attack too often.

 

[KevN くコ:彡]

Every time I see a ZSS online, I always expect the same old song and dance routine, and sure enough they always deliver. It can get almost as bad as Link.

 

[Tino]

I mean I like Zero Suit Samus and everything but the way most people in For Glory play her is just repetitive and out of control. Link spammers are no exception, whom they're making a bad name for Link mains like myself. :/

 

[★Malik★™]

How did ZSS get this spammy reputation / no skill reputation?

down b.

 

[Roy of Pharae]

I hate playing against lag switchers! I rekt this one guy and then he started switching to top tiers, next thing you know, the match starts incredibly laggy and when he gets a stock off me the lag stops!

 

[coolarj10]

Ghidorah14, I feel your frustration.

I know you're upset that your 3DS screen is a little broken, but don't feel too bad. It's replaceable, and it's a learning lesson.

It seems like a lot of your frustration is due to spammy players. I think it would help if you change your mindset to treat each of those matches like a learning lesson.

I use to hate spammy players because I kept losing, but then I started WISHING I would keep getting spammy players. That way, I could keep practicing how to counter those players (e.g. Using techniques like power shielding). Now, I absolutely destroy spammy players.

Though at times it may feel like you're being cheated out of your Up B ledge grab by two pixels, try focusing on how you can improve based on those mistakes. Try pressing Up B a fraction of a second sooner, for example.

Anyway, don't feel too bad. Focus on improving what is in your control!

 

[Loki0830]

I can totally relate to you, OP.

I got the 3ds version when it came out, and I played For Glory every day. It was fun because, aside from the first few months of Brawl, I never really had the ability to play other people before. However, I found out that I'm stupidly competitive with this game, and when I saw that I had done over 1,500 games with a 94% win rate, I developed a huge ego and got frustrated whenever I lost because of how many games I had to win to regain that ratio every time I lost a single one.

I consider myself to be a very calm person. I don't ever recall getting angry at or around other people, and whenever I lose at a sport or a competitive game I sit there and think about what I did wrong and what I can do to do better next time. However with For Glory, something in me clicked and I stopped doing that. When I started to lose, I would get angry. When I started to get angry, I would blame the other person (even though I knew it was entirely my fault for losing). Every time I caught myself getting angry or becoming salty, I'd instantly call it childish and dismiss it, bu it kept on happening and happening.

Third month into the game, I threw my 3ds, just like you, only it broke entirely. The experience shocked me, because I never hit or destroyed something in rage before, but I decided I wouldn't buy a 3ds to replace it and continue my habit.

7 months later, I bought a wii u and smash bros, and here I am, 2 weeks later. I've been playing For Glory non-stop and I'm already seeing myself repeat the pattern. After about 500 games, I had around a 84% win rate. But then I had a bad losing streak, mostly due to bad connection, cheap tactics, and bad decisions on my part fueled from frustration and impatience, and I went all the way down to 73%. I told myself I wouldn't care about the win rate, but I apparently can't help it. And because of it, I find myself getting angry at stupid loses again over pointless statistics.

3 days ago, I fought a really good opponent who I felt was clearly better at the game than me. I like to take these opportunities to try and learn and get better, despite the damage to my win ratio. This was no different, but something about the way this guy played pissed me off. I got livid over nothing. And I ended up punching a hole in my wall.

I want to say I'm going to quit For Glory because it's making me act in ways I've never done before, but the entire reason I got smash 4 was to play against other people online. After playing Anther's Ladder for a few days, I much prefer to play friendlies over For Glory, but I don't always want to spend the time and effort to add someone for a friendlies. Sometimes I just want to come home from work, turn on the system, and just play a few matches without much effort or interaction.

It's times like these that I really wish there was a smash scene where I lived, but there isn't. I don't have the ability to travel around and do tournaments in person. So If I want to play Smash, it will have to be online, and most likely in the format of For Glory.

 

[ProjectilePuff]

I can totally relate to you, OP.

I got the 3ds version when it came out, and I played For Glory every day. It was fun because, aside from the first few months of Brawl, I never really had the ability to play other people before. However, I found out that I'm stupidly competitive with this game, and when I saw that I had done over 1,500 games with a 94% win rate, I developed a huge ego and got frustrated whenever I lost because of how many games I had to win to regain that ratio every time I lost a single one.

I consider myself to be a very calm person. I don't ever recall getting angry at or around other people, and whenever I lose at a sport or a competitive game I sit there and think about what I did wrong and what I can do to do better next time. However with For Glory, something in me clicked and I stopped doing that. When I started to lose, I would get angry. When I started to get angry, I would blame the other person (even though I knew it was entirely my fault for losing). Every time I caught myself getting angry or becoming salty, I'd instantly call it childish and dismiss it, bu it kept on happening and happening.

Third month into the game, I threw my 3ds, just like you, only it broke entirely. The experience shocked me, because I never hit or destroyed something in rage before, but I decided I wouldn't buy a 3ds to replace it and continue my habit.

7 months later, I bought a wii u and smash bros, and here I am, 2 weeks later. I've been playing For Glory non-stop and I'm already seeing myself repeat the pattern. After about 500 games, I had around a 84% win rate. But then I had a bad losing streak, mostly due to bad connection, cheap tactics, and bad decisions on my part fueled from frustration and impatience, and I went all the way down to 73%. I told myself I wouldn't care about the win rate, but I apparently can't help it. And because of it, I find myself getting angry at stupid loses again over pointless statistics.

3 days ago, I fought a really good opponent who I felt was clearly better at the game than me. I like to take these opportunities to try and learn and get better, despite the damage to my win ratio. This was no different, but something about the way this guy played pissed me off. I got livid over nothing. And I ended up punching a hole in my wall.

I want to say I'm going to quit For Glory because it's making me act in ways I've never done before, but the entire reason I got smash 4 was to play against other people online. After playing Anther's Ladder for a few days, I much prefer to play friendlies over For Glory, but I don't always want to spend the time and effort to add someone for a friendlies. Sometimes I just want to come home from work, turn on the system, and just play a few matches without much effort or interaction.

It's times like these that I really wish there was a smash scene where I lived, but there isn't. I don't have the ability to travel around and do tournaments in person. So If I want to play Smash, it will have to be online, and most likely in the format of For Glory.

Crikey, i guess For Glory can change a man.

 

[xDizxy]

The servers were down Last Monday because they were supposedly "fixing" them but I still get lag -__-. It's stupid that you get banned for leaving a laggy match. Was Sakurai drunk when he made these rules?

 

[Kenith]

The lag in For Glory is absolutely garbage. It feels like it only lags when it's beneficial to the opponent and it screws up every single input, every single time.
The fact you get penalized quitting out of matches like that is bull****, too. Often times when a match freezes up I will beg the game to disconnect me with the other player, but it never does.

 

[MankeyShank]

Lmao For Glory aka "Smash 4 noobs". This game heavily favours the lesser skilled player and FG is no better place to showcase just that. I too have gotten enraged many times in For Glory for obvious reasons, and that leads to oneself playing worse, which leads to more losses. That in turn makes oneself want to win more which leads to more defeats and then, congratulations! You have now gotten trapped in a downwards vortex! All in all, this game sucks hard and that is why noobs can win in the first place. Don't feel too bad for yourself. To rage in this stupid game is justified.

How exactly does it favor "lesser skilled players"?

 

[Roy of Pharae]

the game is overly defensive, top tiers are way too easy to use compared to brawl. the mechanics casualizing the game more than it should by not being able to regrab the edge, rage was a pointless mechanic and the recovery system is insane bow everyone can recover with easy so off stage game is pretty pointless. Airdodging has more lag which isn't good for certain characters and the rolling system in this game is stupid

 

[KevN くコ:彡]

Oh, you won't believe. FG rewards the dumbest **** I've ever seen. Since it only has flat stages, characters like Link and Samus have an easier time just spamming all of there projectiles at you. The sad thing is that I like these characters, but FG makes me absolutely hate them.

 

[Ghidorah14]

Oh, you won't believe. FG rewards the dumbest **** I've ever seen. Since it only has flat stages, characters like Link and Samus have an easier time just spamming all of there projectiles at you. The sad thing is that I like these characters, but FG makes me absolutely hate them.

That's one of the things that has always rubbed me the wrong way. Here I am, trying my best to play well and learn from my mistakes, and you got some ****ing idiot who plays link and does dumb **** all game and somehow it just ****ing works out for him. You know the type; B button to victory at a distance, and the second you get too close, MASH C-STICK, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll...

People get away with bloody murder on FG. I wish I could play like a total scrub and still get somewhere doing it.

 

[#KingM]

Wow. I've never seen anyone get more mad then playing For Glory. Totally sucks that your 3DS got destroyed, though come on man, you had it coming. I'm not trying to act like that one douche bag, but there wasn't anything else you could have done to vent your anger? I can get pretty salty at times though, so I understand what was going through your head. People don't think rationally.

I don't know why people call spammers/rollers noobs, especially when they beat you. Hey, if they beat you by purely spamming the B-button, it's not your job to call them a noob. It's a wakeup call to go to Training or grab a buddy and find techniques around it. Especially since spamming can be heavily punished by any reflecting item, as well as shielding, and spot-dodging/rolling. I find most people on this thread are just venting their anger about the game.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Feel free to also explain some stuff to me.

EDIT: What's with all the cussing? Are we a bunch of sailors or what?

 

[Roy of Pharae]

it's way too difficult to punish in this game

 

[gimpleader]

I love For Glory. It certainly is not useful for gaining a competitive edge, but there is plenty of fun to be had. I have even started recording some of the more hilarious events that have happened to me on for glory and been posting them here. I think it is worth sticking with as long as you are just doing it for fun.

 

[Gregory2590]

Only reason I play For Glory is because i'm sick of people on smashladder who live 20 planets away challenging me, and the fact that the same place is dead in the mornings. I'd do the match accepting myself, but nobody good wants to play a bronze.



and its a pain in the ass to add people every time but thats just laziness speaking

 

[Ninj4pikachu]

You know if you take the time to read this whole thread you may notice a pattern. "THE LINKS AND SAMUSES ARE TOO PROJECTILE SPAMMY" well pick a character with a reflector. "ROLL DODGES ARE TOO GOOD" they really aren't, time your attacks based on reads and use your down smash when in doubt. "LAG IS BENIFITING THEM" it benifits no one, all online games have lag and if u don't like it play Somone else. "MY OPPONENT USES CHEAP METHODS" if their methods are really cheap then just beat them, if you get beaten by a cheap method then you probably deserve to be beat.

The solutions to these problems are pretty obvious...

The point is it sounds like a lot of people in this thread just get downright outplayed and want to blame it on cheap strategies, rather than their lack of skills to deal with the cheapness. I love for glory and when I see a camper I just get close and read their rolls. For glory is the perfect place (provided both party's have good internet) to practice one on one for tourneys. You think people won't spam in a tourney?... You have obviously never been to one.

Don't like for glory? Don't play, that's a given. But if your going to complain about it, don't complain because you got beat and were "forced" to break your DS. People will always pick sonic, get one kill, then avoid you like the plague. Techniquely there is nothing wrong with this stratagie, adapt or lose... Smash is brutal sometimes.

 

[Ghidorah14]

You know if you take the time to read this whole thread you may notice a pattern. "THE LINKS AND SAMUSES ARE TOO PROJECTILE SPAMMY" well pick a character with a reflector. "ROLL DODGES ARE TOO GOOD" they really aren't, time your attacks based on reads and use your down smash when in doubt. "LAG IS BENIFITING THEM" it benifits no one, all online games have lag and if u don't like it play Somone else. "MY OPPONENT USES CHEAP METHODS" if their methods are really cheap then just beat them, if you get beaten by a cheap method then you probably deserve to be beat.

The solutions to these problems are pretty obvious...

The point is it sounds like a lot of people in this thread just get downright outplayed and want to blame it on cheap strategies, rather than their lack of skills to deal with the cheapness. I love for glory and when I see a camper I just get close and read their rolls. For glory is the perfect place (provided both party's have good internet) to practice one on one for tourneys. You think people won't spam in a tourney?... You have obviously never been to one.

Don't like for glory? Don't play, that's a given. But if your going to complain about it, don't complain because you got beat and were "forced" to break your DS. People will always pick sonic, get one kill, then avoid you like the plague. Techniquely there is nothing wrong with this stratagie, adapt or lose... Smash is brutal sometimes.

I'm sure lag and input delay have nothing to do with it whatsoever.

 

[Dark Phazon]

How did ZSS get this spammy reputation / no skill reputation?

Uh...i dunno...it might be because all she does is Lazer..run grab down throw. Up air Up Air Jet kick...

 

[#KingM]

Uh...i dunno...it just be because all she does is Lazer..run grab down throw. Up air Up Air Jet kick...

It's not spamming, It's a genuine combo. It's not a true combo either, as you can easily DI out if it, or air dodge. All these people labeling characters as noob and spammy really get on my nerves. Calling anyone a noob because they spam just goes to show who the real noob is. And most of the time, said person loses. SMH.

Smash Community is being poisoned by people who say these kind of things. Like I said before, I'm pretty sure 90% of people are using this thread to vent anger, as well as label even more characters as "noob choices". Really hope people can read these messages instead of continue the whole, "FG favors spamming/FG is for spammers" trend, as it's really getting disgusting at this point.

 

[Ghidorah14]

It's not spamming, It's a genuine combo. It's not a true combo either, as you can easily DI out if it, or air dodge. All these people labeling characters as noob and spammy really get on my nerves. Calling anyone a noob because they spam just goes to show who the real noob is. And most of the time, said person loses. SMH.

Smash Community is being poisoned by people who say these kind of things. Like I said before, I'm pretty sure 90% of people are using this thread to vent anger, as well as label even more characters as "noob choices". Really hope people can read these messages instead of continue the whole, "FG favors spamming/FG is for spammers" trend, as it's really getting disgusting at this point.

Characters like ZSS and link are about as braindead as it can get, AT LOWER SKILL LEVELS. We're not talking ZeRo's in the making here, just your typical smash player who plays online. In a serious tournament setting, yeah, things like that wont fly, but we arent tournament level players.

How can people who do the same thing over and over without learning be less noobish than people genuinely trying to learn and play as best they can?

People who play like that will learn one or two combos and then nothing else. Then they'll center everything they do around those combos, and play as safe as humanly possible, even if that means never committing to a move, making a read, or approaching.

A youtuber I follow named Virgo Durai said something about a different game (Dragon Ball Xenoverse) that I feel perfectly describes these kinds of players.

"A lot of people play this game trying to find out how not to lose, as opposed to how to win; how to beat your opponent."

 

[#KingM]

Characters like ZSS and link are about as braindead as it can get, AT LOWER SKILL LEVELS. We're not talking ZeRo's in the making here, just your typical smash player who plays online. In a serious tournament setting, yeah, things like that wont fly, but we arent tournament level players.

How can people who do the same thing over and over without learning be less noobish than people genuinely trying to learn and play as best they can?

People who play like that will learn one or two combos and then nothing else. Then they'll center everything they do around those combos, and play as safe as humanly possible, even if that means never committing to a move, making a read, or approaching.

A youtuber I follow named Virgo Durai said something about a different game (Dragon Ball Xenoverse) that I feel perfectly describes these kinds of players.

"A lot of people play this game trying to find out how not to lose, as opposed to how to win; how to beat your opponent."

And you know what? They don't lose.

Noob is a term that means novice/new, now turned into an insult that means having little to no interest in learning. And to be honest, I do see a lot of those people on FG. However, they're still beating people like you, and guess what? People like you complain about it, rather then learn. Seem familiar? That's right, It's the very same definition of a noob.

It doesn't take M2K and ZeRo kind of players to learn bad habits. It just takes patience, and experience, something that a lot of Smash players tend to lack in general. Come on man, competitive Smash isn't easy. And neither is FG.

And on top of it all, you're being completely ignorant to matchups. When I'm playing DDD vs Zelda/Samus, OF COURSE I'm going to be playing it as safe as possible, only using combos I know are guaranteed rather than go for some risky set ups.
If I'm going up against a Little Mac or a less experienced player, then I'll go for more interesting options in my arsenal.

 

[Ghidorah14]

And you know what? They don't lose.

Noob is a term that means novice/new, now turned into an insult that means having little to no interest in learning. And to be honest, I do see a lot of those people on FG. However, they're still beating people like you, and guess what? People like you complain about it, rather then learn. Seem familiar? That's right, It's the very same definition of a noob.

It doesn't take M2K and ZeRo kind of players to learn bad habits. It just takes patience, and experience, something that a lot of Smash players tend to lack in general. Come on man, competitive Smash isn't easy. And neither is FG.

I wonder if lag and input delay have anything to do with it. Hmmmm.

 

[Roy of Pharae]

this game is crap. only had it for a few months and all we see is cookie cutter combos and high tiers being used online. its so damn campy and the lag makes it even worse. I've raged hard in this game then any other smash game.