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After the first three (?) grabs, you should be able to escape by DI'ing away and down so that you can tech. From personal experience, it seems like if you DI down and away, FThrow -> tipper should only work at low %s when you're thrown over the edge (at which you need to DI up and towards the stage to not die).
Thane of Blue Flames
, Ike's counter is only a frame away from Marth's at most). Counter is particularly fun when the Falco is aggressive because they may chase the laser and get hit by the counter which gives them a nice flat 10% of damage.
Not sure what post this was in response to, but thanks for the info.
was responding to this
Eruption was a good option against tethers but it is hard to land since it requires percise timing so it is often a better choice to go off stage and hit the character tethering because there is only a few places they can actually be in before they real and you can hit them hard during those moments. Eruption is a better option against short tethers like Lucas's because they are so fast, but because they are so close they are often very open to b spiked.
I think the flub hit works well on characters far from the stage since it forces immediate up specials or whatever and Ike is fast enough to get to the ledge first. I read somewhere on these boards about dair flub comboing into bair so that would be a good option whenever you flub.
The projectiles are hard to deal with but what you should rely on is uthrow chain grab [can lead to a pretty consistent fsmash at 55ish percent (I know this is true for Fox so I assume it is true for Falco as well please correct me if I am wrong)] and edgeguarding. Ike should never let a Falco get back on stage once he's off. Fair and walk off fair deals with his up b and if you have enough time, f smash deals with side b. Try not to rely on QD and full hop/double jump ->fair/nair to approach Try to get as many grabs as possible.
You're goal is to get in close as soon as possible to keep Falco from being able to laser. You can deal with laser by Power Shielding, Wavedashing out of Shield, and counter.
What kind of pressure are you talking about?
I found your game at around 1:55:00. I really like what you're doing with the full hop approaches which is really important against projectile spammy characters. The flaws that I saw were that you definitely were not grabbing enough. I saw a lot of opportunities were you could get grabs. Also, I noticed when you did QD (I know you can't QD a lot of projectile chars), but when you did, you opted for QD attack (I'm guessing, as you just moved all the way through with the QD). Try to use more attacks out of QD like nair, fair, and reverse bair. The last thing I would suggest is that you go for more walk off fairs to edgeguard. I noticed you go off stage a bit, but you didn't go through with a lot of the fair edgeguards and kind of retreated. It's important to go far out there to edgeguard Lucas as he has a really good recovery if he is not edgeguarded aggresively. You could try to throw in some surprise counters as well when you are getting pressured hard or are stuck near the edge. Hope this helps!
Yeah I would say you would just have to be more aggressive. Try the ol' jab->jab->grab and try to get some shield grabs in there. Work on your off stage punishing. Instead of waiting and trying to punish firebird with counter, jump off stage and fair to get him out of there. It's a tough matchup though, I feel you.
metroid1117
have you fought any good Tinks? How do you deal with the matchup? The rang and bombs are hard get past, agt'd bombs make him quite difficult to edgeguard and no idea what to do against his short, quick tether. His dthrow combos into like any aerial/upb regardless of DI. Also when he gets back on stage he likes to air dodge zair. Worse than normal Link imo cause he's faster and smaller.
lol I ranted about him earlier and this is what I came up with.
Stay at the max length of Ragnell for the entire match up. If you keep hitting with the tips you will be safe. Only go in when Lucas wiffs or creates an opening for you. If he tries to go in just go back and keep tipping.
To be honest, I haven't really fought any good Tinks before. I tend to treat him like a more mobile Link with slightly worse range, but the Tinks I've played weren't really high-caliber and it's been a while, so it's hard to remember if I do anything significantly different in neutral compared to fighting Link.@
Thanks, I'll try that. I'll see if I can upload a video of our matches sometime this week too.
Pk freeze has a long start up and long cool down. You can just get out of the way, power shield, counter, or Nair to deal with it. You shouldn't double jump on stage because you can easily get stuck being juggled up there. Never use up movement options like that because you will get stuck in a bad situation because of it.
