- Jul 22, 2014
DDD can sit in shield and be fine. DDD has the largest(?) non-tether grab in the game. On ground, you will just get grabbed, Nair doesn't go far enough and is only safe if it is fresh. Otherwise, its a shield grab. If you fair him and don't space it correctly, its a shield grab and if you use the tip of the sword, it doesn't do enough shield stun. So he can wavedash in and grab you. Trust me, I have tried both, I play Heysuess a lot. The only time I can get something started and not get punish is a nair -> grab when he isn't by the edge and on a fresh/near fresh hit. If you try to run away, he can throw waddle-dees and do's and waddle dash, so he can easily force you to appoarch. And DDD's fair goes further than all of Ike's aerial moves and comes out faster than fair and nair. QD is worthless besides tech chasing because he can just throw a waddle-dee/doo/Guardo or f-tilt you and stop your non-sense. DDD combo's the **** out of Ike, harder than Ike combo's him. If Ike gets grabbed or thrown off stage, it should be the stock unless you get lucky or you are good at teching. The only really safe way of recovering is to Aether and sweetspot too low for him to hit you but high enough to grab the ledge but he can go behind you and bair or fair you (So you have to tech it). He has enough range to safely gimp Aether and Quickdraw with moves that are fast enough to do it on reaction. On the flip side, its very hard for Ike to combo DDD into a kill move or to kill him that doesn't involve a read because of things like his numbers jumps, waddle-dash, and how his up-B works.I'm perplexed as to how Dedede counters Ike. All of Ike's aerial's have disjointed hitboxes that reach nearly as far, sometimes father than DDD's; ground spacing in neutral, I'd imagine, must be tricky, but Ike has QD mix-ups. What's more, Ike can combo Dedede given his size and falling speed. Dedede can gimp, but does that really polarise the MU so severely?
Basically, he outranges you, is faster than you in a lot of cases, combo's you harder, has an easier time killing you, can stop your shenanigans, can kill you off of 1 grab, and can safely stop you. Heysuess has told his story about how he has 4 stocked and bodied Metroid many times at Evo (I think it was a $50 money match too). He had to use Charizard because Ike wasn't working. And Metroid can vouch that it is really bad for Ike.