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Ike Boards General/Q&A Thread
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Blubolouis
Smash Lord
Thanks guys !
Pheta Ray
Smash Ace
Hey guys, when I use Ike against a character, for some reason I actually don't have an issue with the match ups. I mean I know the MUs are supposed to be a thing that can really shift a match, but I don't feel any issue with any character (aside from a camping Snake).
What have you to say for this? I for one feel neutral on most all match-ups. I don't care what the Back Roomers say about MUs.
What have you to say for this? I for one feel neutral on most all match-ups. I don't care what the Back Roomers say about MUs.
Blubolouis
Smash Lord
Match-ups can be looked at in two different ways. First the way each character should play against the other, and second the quantifiable outcome, the ratio.
Since it's pretty undeniable that match-ups in the sense of "playing differently according to the opposing character" have an importance -like abusing jab-cancels on fast fallers, or not using nair approaches vs DDD-, and since all these elements can be added and compared with those of the opposing character, it becomes a matter of learning and applying these options while avoiding or dealing with those of your opponent. Now, if you're a better player than him or if you're playing the match-up better than him (which is the same, imo), the actual ratio isn't representative. But against a well-versed opponent, like, say, a campy falco who deals efficiently with Ike cqc game, I'm afraid I do feel the weight of the match-up.
Since it's pretty undeniable that match-ups in the sense of "playing differently according to the opposing character" have an importance -like abusing jab-cancels on fast fallers, or not using nair approaches vs DDD-, and since all these elements can be added and compared with those of the opposing character, it becomes a matter of learning and applying these options while avoiding or dealing with those of your opponent. Now, if you're a better player than him or if you're playing the match-up better than him (which is the same, imo), the actual ratio isn't representative. But against a well-versed opponent, like, say, a campy falco who deals efficiently with Ike cqc game, I'm afraid I do feel the weight of the match-up.
theeboredone
Smash Legend
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
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Berserker Swordsman
Smash Lord
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Ussi
Smash Legend
light has crash'd back to the thread
theeboredone
Smash Legend
Was watching some old smash videos of myself from 2008. Almost made me get up and start playing again. Almost.
Ussi
Smash Legend
2008 i was a terrible scrub who thought was all that
Heartstring
Smash Legend
2008, I didn't know what smash was and had never played it in my life.
It was a darker time, When I enjoyed sonic games and legitimately thought they were good.
It was a darker time, When I enjoyed sonic games and legitimately thought they were good.
Berserker Swordsman
Smash Lord
...What Sonic games?
Ussi
Smash Legend
Last Sonic game i ever played was Sonic Heros
Heartstring
Smash Legend
Main one that spring to mind is Shadow the hedgehog, The first time I thought 'man, this game really isnt all that good' was on Sonic '06
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
It was sometime around Sonic '06 or Secret Rings that I thought "I think I should probs stop playing Sonic games."
Adventure Battle 2 was great, ofc.
Adventure Battle 2 was great, ofc.
Ussi
Smash Legend
SA2:B I got all 180 emblems to unlock the 3D green hill stage. Probably the last game I ever did a 100% completion on.
Berserker Swordsman
Smash Lord
Man, you guys are behind. Pick up Colors and/or Generations, they're actually good.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
I've played generations, It was fun, albeit short. I've seen colours and not sure on it. might give it a go eventually. My brother said it was good, but he also thinks that FIFA is good so...
Blubolouis
Smash Lord
I got 9th out of 77 at my tournament, using only Ike in singles apart from a set against a meta-knight where I went falco, and lost. I FINALLY managed to beat a german TL who kept beating me every time we played. I also place 5th in doubles with Dueler X (GW), but I barely used Ike, mostly Pit. The out of country attendance was pretty high (10 players, and it should have been 15 if not for an incident back in germany), and the out of Paris one was as a whole more than one quarter of the entrants. It was all very hype.
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
Congrats, dude.
Rep that Ike!
Rep that Ike!
Berserker Swordsman
Smash Lord
Well done man, hope you got some matches recorded!
Ussi
Smash Legend
Top 8 or no points
Pheta Ray
Smash Ace
Sure hope they're uploaded to YouTube. I'd love to see what you can do as of currently.
jamlosingthegame
Smash Lord
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Speaking of Sonic games, I was playing Sonic Riders with some friends cause we felt like it. Was fun cause we forgot how to play and fell off some stages.
Very nice, Blubo.
I moved back home for a while, so now I can actually play Brawl.
Also, I just got Fire Emblem: Awakening a few days ago and just ragequit for a while, since the thief I was trying to level couldn't dodge a 50% and 37% hit, when he only needed to dodge one of them. Only complaining since he got a perfect level up right beforehand, and I never had that before.
I moved back home for a while, so now I can actually play Brawl.
Also, I just got Fire Emblem: Awakening a few days ago and just ragequit for a while, since the thief I was trying to level couldn't dodge a 50% and 37% hit, when he only needed to dodge one of them. Only complaining since he got a perfect level up right beforehand, and I never had that before.
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
My only perfect level up has been with Mia in FE9, I think.
I feel obligated to use her every playthrough because of it. Sorry, Zihark.
On a side note, I want to buy FE:Awakening but there's nothing else on the 3DS I particularly want. I'll probably wait until Pokemon and Smash come out first.
I feel obligated to use her every playthrough because of it. Sorry, Zihark.
On a side note, I want to buy FE:Awakening but there's nothing else on the 3DS I particularly want. I'll probably wait until Pokemon and Smash come out first.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
Good stuff man, I look forward to catching some of the matches on youtube, Shame I couldnt come to any of the summer stuff this year, Maybe next time eh?
Ussi
Smash Legend
Smash for the 3DS i think was dumb. Now we won't get handheld game stages on the wii u :|
Senliten
Smash Lord
Feroxi arena in HD sounds pretty much like a badass thing to see. Shame we won't.
If lucky, something from SMTxFE may sneak its way onto the WiiU release. Wishful thinking at best.
Blubolouis
Smash Lord
Thanks guys. For the replays, I'm pretty sure none of my single sets were recorded... but the crew France vs Europe will be, and the opening match is a ditto Ike between me and Yoh, hype ! I should upload some other matches on my own channel at some point, too.
The other day, i was testing Ike's options in specific scenarios, like when TL and Snake hit his shield with some of their stuff. TL's dtilt, for example, is remarkably safe on Ike's shield... If it's spaced well enough so that you can't shieldgrab it, you can't punish it at all.
Another interesting discovery I made is that you can punish snake's ftilt2 on block, as long as it's not perfectly spaced, with an Up OOS ! Must be used sparingly of course, and its usage is optimal on stages with platforms, but it's useful imo.
The other day, i was testing Ike's options in specific scenarios, like when TL and Snake hit his shield with some of their stuff. TL's dtilt, for example, is remarkably safe on Ike's shield... If it's spaced well enough so that you can't shieldgrab it, you can't punish it at all.
Another interesting discovery I made is that you can punish snake's ftilt2 on block, as long as it's not perfectly spaced, with an Up OOS ! Must be used sparingly of course, and its usage is optimal on stages with platforms, but it's useful imo.
Ussi
Smash Legend
>Crew battle between countries
>opening is an ike ditto
Wat
Also from guide:
Question: Why doesn't Ike use Aether OoS? It comes out in 18 frames and deals more damage than ftilt!
Answer: Aether is a horrible attack cause of how easy you can DI out of it (Especially out of the first hit) and it leaves you open afterwards
>opening is an ike ditto
Wat
Also from guide:
Question: Why doesn't Ike use Aether OoS? It comes out in 18 frames and deals more damage than ftilt!
Answer: Aether is a horrible attack cause of how easy you can DI out of it (Especially out of the first hit) and it leaves you open afterwards
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
Aether OoS isn't ridiculously bad because Ike gets such a large amount of range from a grounded Aether (hold forward and watch that range!) and the damage is definitely respectable..
However: Easily DIed, leaves you open.
Solution: Use 0-1 times a set so they don't see it coming. Have a platform overhead.
However: Easily DIed, leaves you open.
Solution: Use 0-1 times a set so they don't see it coming. Have a platform overhead.
Ussi
Smash Legend
First hit it TOO EASY to DI. Once you see it, you should never get hit by it during the rest of the set
Blubolouis
Smash Lord
An out of shield option that can deal 20~% and has some situations where it can be used safely should not be overlooked, no matter what's written in the guide. Platforms, slants and catching an edge after doing the upB are all ways to guarantee or come close to safety after that. And I did say to use it sparingly, Ussi.
Also, I was more surprised by the fact that you could use it to punish snake's ftilt, of all moves. It's just the kind of midrange options that Ike struggles with, I would never have thought of using UpB to try and cover it.
About the Ike ditto, Yoh and I didn't get to play before that, and we thought it was be a good way to start things with some hype. It worked, but the hype died as soon as some MK started to platform camp an ICs player for several minutes
Also, I was more surprised by the fact that you could use it to punish snake's ftilt, of all moves. It's just the kind of midrange options that Ike struggles with, I would never have thought of using UpB to try and cover it.
About the Ike ditto, Yoh and I didn't get to play before that, and we thought it was be a good way to start things with some hype. It worked, but the hype died as soon as some MK started to platform camp an ICs player for several minutes
Ussi
Smash Legend
Know what does at least 14-16%? A jab combo. Imagine if you put some jab cancels...
Blubolouis
Smash Lord
When you manage to punish a decently well spaced Ftilt2 on shield with any form of jab-cancel, when your opponent is at the very least slightly versed in the Ike match-up, please let me know. When they see an easy jab punish coming, my opponents SDI out on the first jab1 and I'm left with jab2 to jab3.
Berserker Swordsman
Smash Lord
Stop jabbing, let them hit the Cstick for an aerial with lag, and then jab them again. Or mix up your jab cancel timing. SDIing jab1 is more or less a read, you just have to make them read wrong.
Ussi
Smash Legend
You have 3 frames to delay jab 1 and still let it be a true combo
If they are gonna sdi jab... Why the heck would they not hold left/right when the first hit of aether hits them?
If they are gonna sdi jab... Why the heck would they not hold left/right when the first hit of aether hits them?
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
Because humans make mistakes!
I think it might be worth it to go for it once a set. It deals like double the damage of a jab combo. It's risky since they might DI out and you won't get the full damage but if you have a platform overhead you minimize potential retaliation.
Jab OoS hits on f10, Aether hits on f18. Not horrible, I guess.
I think it might be worth it to go for it once a set. It deals like double the damage of a jab combo. It's risky since they might DI out and you won't get the full damage but if you have a platform overhead you minimize potential retaliation.
Jab OoS hits on f10, Aether hits on f18. Not horrible, I guess.
Kimchi
Smash Ace
Hello my beautiful Ike mains.