If Falcon had a good recovery.......

[Leviathan741]

where would he be in the tier list?

 

[Mizar]

Exactly where he is right now. At the top.

 

[Roneblaster]

idk, maybe hed move up a tier, but still be be the same character rank.

 

[Winston]

I feel like he'd be significantly better than Peach at least. If he had a really good recovery his survivability would be truly ridiculous.

 

[Leviathan741]

yea, I agree with you gustav. Rone, comon man, the real reason falcon is not good in tourneys is because of his recovery, he heas everything else going for him. We get gimped and edgeguarded easier than most chars in the game because of his ****ty recovery, and btw I think he would be at the bottom of top tier...

 

[Wenbobular]

If we gave him like ... Fire Falcon with Fox's length and then made his Raptor boost illusion in midair he'd probably be better than ... Marth

 

[KirbyKaze]

Screw a recovery, give him Peach's dash attack.

All his matchups are Falcon favoured henceforth.

 

[Hax]

he'd be amazing considering he has the best stats in the game (least horizontal movement). probably 5th best; depends how good of a recovery we're talking

 

[Wenbobular]

Make his down-b spawn a platform below him so he always does the ground Falcon kick animation

 

[Leviathan741]

he'd be amazing considering he has the best stats in the game (least horizontal movement). probably 5th best; depends how good of a recovery we're talking

agreed, and his recovery wouldn't be anything ridiculously good, but just much better so it would be ok. For example, his up b animation much faster and longer?

 

[TheGoat]

if we are talking about serious good recovery, like marths, and with good options like fox/falco, then I'm sure he'd be above peach, but probably still below falco

forgive me if I'm wrong, but it seems one of falcons flaws in competitive play is a solid, quick, high priority sex kick, like foxs nair or something. it just seems that way to me idk

 

[legion598]

guys what if when falcon did a down B............... IT WAS A SHINE! ZOMG TOP TIER

 

[Wenbobular]

if we are talking about serious good recovery, like marths, and with good options like fox/falco, then I'm sure he'd be above peach, but probably still below falco

forgive me if I'm wrong, but it seems one of falcons flaws in competitive play is a solid, quick, high priority sex kick, like foxs nair or something. it just seems that way to me idk

Marth's recovery isn't that good ¬.¬
Fox / Falco have good recoveries, they're just subject to gimps because of the long startup time. In terms of options for getting back there aren't many characters that beat them (until you get down to like, Samus and Pikachu ~_~)

I think the major flaw is that he has gets stuck in shield a lot / comboed / techchased / gimped by like ... everyone. He also doesn't have a good standing move to cover the missed tech option, but the good Falcons don't seem to give a **** xD

And his Nair has mad range, so even though sometimes moves can eat through it, a lot of the time you can space pivot Nair so they can't really do anything about it. Nair / Bair spam is pretty effective for keeping characters out

Besides, I don't really have a problem with the priority I think only Fox is really fast enough to hit the gap between the Nair hits. It just means you shouldn't really be approaching <_<

 

[Leviathan741]

I agree with most of what u said wen, but falco DOES NOT HAVE A GOOD RECOVERY

 

[Roneblaster]

falcon would be better, but it doesnt change the fact that all of his ground moves are still super situational bros. and mostly suck.

but with marths recovery:
123= fox/falco/puff
4 = sheik
5 = marth
6 = falcon

 

[Leviathan741]

agreed with your list there rene

 

[Van.]

Why do you guys think Falcon isnt already better than Marth? The only differences I see are the spacies matchups...

 

[Shadow Huan]

all he needs to do is not fall as fast.

fix'd

 

[Roneblaster]

because hes not better than marth.

 

[Leviathan741]

There is a considerable difference between cf and marth. the spacie matches are enough to say. falcon on the the spacies is 35% of him winning while Marth has even odds except against fox which isn't nearly as bad as it is against falcon. Plus marth can gimp the hell out of so many chars. I mean really how can you say that CF is better than marth?

 

[Deleted member]

falcons recovery is good

 

[Rubyiris]

Last I checked, Falcon is a low-tier.

If Falcon had a good recovery, he might be mid-tier. MAYBE.

 

[Wenbobular]

I agree with most of what u said wen, but falco DOES NOT HAVE A GOOD RECOVERY

In my opinion Falco has options with phantasm and Firebird angles that make his recovery better than most people are willing to believe

Between phantasm shortens and angling Firebird Falco can make you have to guess to edgeguard him

 

[TheGoat]

Marth's recovery isn't that good ¬.¬

Wtf, really? From what I understood its really good because his up b is annoying to edgeguard, and he can defend himself while returning due to his floatiness. Maybe im wrong, but that is what I thought.

In my opinion Falco has options with phantasm and Firebird angles that make his recovery better than most people are willing to believe

Between phantasm shortens and angling Firebird Falco can make you have to guess to edgeguard him

Agreed.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Make him invincible during the whole thing, no free fall after using up-B (think snake's up B) and same heights IC's up-B?

 

[Wenbobular]

Between lightshield edgehog, ledgehop stomp -> reverse knee / reverse knee when he lands on stage, ledgehop Bair regrab / smart ledge invincibility refreshing you can abuse Marth's recovery pretty badly. People think it's good because it's fast, but it's not that bad edgeguarding Marth

 

[Roneblaster]

problem iss that all those things other than light shield edgehog are risky. and even then, if u do it and he lands on stage, yeah his up-b is laggy, but u have ur back to the edge/offstage/are on the edge vs marth. not where u wanna be.

 

[Wenbobular]

problem iss that all those things other than light shield edgehog are risky. and even then, if u do it and he lands on stage, yeah his up-b is laggy, but u have ur back to the edge/offstage/are on the edge vs marth. not where u wanna be.

...What?

Ledgehop to refresh invincibility is pretty easy to time so you don't get hit by stuff.
Ledgehop Bair -> regrab ledge is basically a high ledgehop with a Bair in the middle to smack him for being too close to the ledge
Lightshield edgehog also leaves you on the ledge (obviously)

If you did those right, Marth is either getting edgehogged to his doom or is landing on the stage after his up-b when you are on the ledge. Instant reverse knee or stomp->reverse knee opportunity that's basically guaranteed.

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

these are all interesting ideas but ur all wrong. down b should be "FALCON BULLET". it would instantly break a characters shield, but only characters that start with J. hmmmmmm

 

[Leviathan741]

...What?

Ledgehop to refresh invincibility is pretty easy to time so you don't get hit by stuff.
Ledgehop Bair -> regrab ledge is basically a high ledgehop with a Bair in the middle to smack him for being too close to the ledge
Lightshield edgehog also leaves you on the ledge (obviously)

If you did those right, Marth is either getting edgehogged to his doom or is landing on the stage after his up-b when you are on the ledge. Instant reverse knee or stomp->reverse knee opportunity that's basically guaranteed.

agreed. His recovery isn't all that great, trust me I play with marth and dumb edgehog shield stuff is bull s @@@ksajkskldlk