Important Hyrule Warrior - The Sheik Matchup Database

[Joaco]

Someone please find a better image for Sheik dittos

 

[WondrousMoose]

Someone please find a better image for Sheik dittos

The Iron Sheik can help.

 

[Joaco]

I was trying to avoid that one LOL

 

[_Tree]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a3/f2/55/a3f2555929ddbcb1a971f6586ade4ef3.jpg

Alternatively...https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/51/cc/ee/51cceee7210615860db658bc31b91d53.jpg

Probably too big for the image but cute nonetheless.

 

[WondrousMoose]

We could go with the popular one:

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

http://smashboards.com/threads/lucario-vs-sheik-mu-thread.418530/

We are discussing the Lucario vs Sheik MU, feel free to chime in.

 

[Blue Banana]

Hi, I made a new Olimar matchup thread, and the Shiek MU is one of the first to be discussed. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

http://smashboards.com/threads/piklopedia-the-olimar-matchup-thread.421920/

 

[elmike]

which are the most "difficult" MU for sheik?

 

[Absol]

which are the most "difficult" MU for sheik?

I'll instead answer this as characters that do well against sheik

Mario
Rosalina
Pikachu
Meta knight
Yoshi (against aggressive Sheiks)
Fox is okay too I guess.

 

[ArikadoSD]

Plus Lucario and Sonic.

 

[Absol]

Plus Lucario and Sonic.

Lucario gets bodied by sheik and shuts down sonic.

 

[A_Kae]

Hello, Sheik players! The Marth and Lucina sub-forum has begun matchup discussion and analysis on the Sheik matchup. If you have any input to add, or wish to fight against a Marth/Lucina player for matchup experience, please join us at the following link.

http://smashboards.com/threads/vs-sheik-matchup-discussion-and-analysis.422136/

And be sure to check the directory thread for the rules and guidelines.

http://smashboards.com/threads/matchup-discussion-and-analysis-directory.414156/

 

[exdee]

Lucario gets bodied by sheik and shuts down sonic.

what about kirby

 

[Absol]

what about kirby

If Kirby gets needles its actually in his favor imo. But that's only for the duration that he has them. If he doesn't have them then its not so good for kirby

 

[elmike]

I'll instead answer this as characters that do well against sheik

Mario
Rosalina
Pikachu
Meta knight
Yoshi (against aggressive Sheiks)
Fox is okay too I guess.

Why Yoshi only against aggressive Sheiks?

 

[Absol]

Why Yoshi only against aggressive Sheiks?

Because yoshi is THE trade character

 

[Zubatman27]

I've been wondering how to fight Meta-Knight.

 

[Gemba Board]

http://smashboards.com/threads/vs-sheik-matchup-discussion-and-analysis.422136/
Hey guys. Any vs insight? A_Kae opened up a discussion thread for this match up a little while ago found in the link above. I'd like to get a decent understanding of what makes sheik tick when she's up against marth. The neutral game against sheik in particular is what bothers me. She makes me feel like marth's disjoints aren't really disjoints. Anyway, our discussion thread on this matchup is still empty if anyone wants to share over there. Thanks guys!

 

[Caedus]

I need some help against Jigglypuff. Between her really good aerial mobility, long-lasting hitboxes on her fair and bair, and her lack of weight keeping me from stringing any sort of combo together, I can't get any momentum going. I also feel like I get hit by rest way more than is normal. Can anyone give me some advice?

 

[Rango the Mercenary]

Are there any actual struggles you guys have vs. Ike mains?

Also, what's the matchup ratio for Mario vs. Sheik?

 

[Absol]

Ryuga's Ike scared me in bracket

When it comes to Mario its controversial. Some say Sheik wins, some say its even

 

[HoSmash4]

Are there any actual struggles you guys have vs. Ike mains?

Also, what's the matchup ratio for Mario vs. Sheik?

To quote anti about the mario sheik matchup

'Sheik can't really pressure him free. plus he has d-throw to uptilt/upair combos on her since she's perfect combo weight, I usually approach Sheik when she doesn't have any needles charged. But Sheik players thrive off grabs the most so they will Charge needles then cancel it into dash grabs, so once you know the spacing of sheik's dash grabs the MU becomes pretty evenish'.

There isnt anything particular that I struggle with vs Ike, he hits hard sheik and again, perfect design for getting combos on top of being light. Jumping is really bad for Ike in this matchup because of how fast sheik's aerials come out compared to ikes

 

[Rango the Mercenary]

To quote anti about the mario sheik matchup

'Sheik can't really pressure him free. plus he has d-throw to uptilt/upair combos on her since she's perfect combo weight, I usually approach Sheik when she doesn't have any needles charged. But Sheik players thrive off grabs the most so they will Charge needles then cancel it into dash grabs, so once you know the spacing of sheik's dash grabs the MU becomes pretty evenish'.

There isnt anything particular that I struggle with vs Ike, he hits hard sheik and again, perfect design for getting combos on top of being light. Jumping is really bad for Ike in this matchup because of how fast sheik's aerials come out compared to ikes

Do you feel his ground game thwarts Sheik's aerial game? Pivot grabs and DTilts on her landing, or jabs? Ike's jab can trade with Sheik's Fair, though not always.

 

[Zubatman27]

Do you feel his ground game thwarts Sheik's aerial game? Pivot grabs and DTilts on her landing, or jabs? Ike's jab can trade with Sheik's Fair, though not always.

If you need Sheik MU practice I can play you. I also can give you tips on the MU

 

[HoSmash4]

Do you feel his ground game thwarts Sheik's aerial game? Pivot grabs and DTilts on her landing, or jabs? Ike's jab can trade with Sheik's Fair, though not always.

Yeah I'd have more trouble if you stayed on the ground more, sheik on the rise does not having nearly as many followups with as much reward as sheik on the fall (empty hops, falling fairs to say the least). Ike jab trading with sheik fair probably isnt worth it. Pivot grabs and dtilts are good. Sheik dies early and doesnt have any raw safe kill moves.

Although with an optimised and as powerful sheik as Vinnie, it is certainly a massive ask but Ryuga did a really good attempt against Zero

 

[Absol]

This just in. Sheiks worst match up is Cloud

 

[ArikadoSD]

Sheik Cloud is 70:30 sheik's favour calling it

 

[Absol]

From the trailer it seems like clouds side b beats bouncing fish lol wake me up

Also there is no way were using bouncing fish over his projectile

I'll wait until he's out to see what's it gonna be like....but if daddy sakurai designed him to specifically counter sheik...

We might be in trouble boys

 

[_Tree]

From the trailer it seems like clouds side b beats bouncing fish lol wake me up

Also there is no way were using bouncing fish over his projectile

I'll wait until he's out to see what's it gonna be like....but if daddy sakurai designed him to specifically counter sheik...

We might be in trouble boys

You're catastrophizing lol. They put out Ryu, a character that has a super easy hit confirm into a Shoryu that kills at 70 and the MU still isn't even. Nothing's gonna come close to how busted our character is.

If this video shows anything (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-PtKZCjkQo) its that Cloud has some slow ass normals, plus a very lackluster horizontal recovery. Sheik F-air strings > everything else.

 

[Absol]

I should stop being sarcastic

 

[_Tree]

I never know with you.

 

[EnGarde]

Hello, the Roy Boards are discussing the Sheik MU, and we would appreciate your input!

Click here to visit our Sheik MU thread!
Click here to visit our general MU thread directory!

 

[R0m4n]

How do you guys fight Shulk ?
I have many problems against him because he outranges me everytime with nair and i can't get in.

Do you have any tips for that matchup ?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Well. Looks like everyone wants to know how to fight Sheik...

Well uh...

Us Charizard mains would like to know as well.

http://smashboards.com/threads/charizard-matchup-discussion-sheik.423938/

The Charizard boards are currently discussing the Sheik vs Charizard matchup.

C'mon over and tell us what you think.

 

[Crackle]

Peach is giving people trouble. Here in SoCal SlayerZ (Peach) cleaned house against all but Void (Sheik) and the matchup did not look clearly like Void's advantage the way they played. Over in Japan when we sent American players over they used Umeki (Peach) to destroy Vinnie (Sheik). I also personally have a "rivalry" with someone because my secondaries do better against his Peach (Mario/Villager) than my main (Sheik).

The peach boards on the sheik matchup discussion mention a LOT of options for dealing with Sheik recovery and Sheik fair in neutral. And they're surprisingly strong options. Needles just get floated over in neutral as well while gap-closing on us. Our kill combo percent range on Peach if she DI's correctly is either less than 20% (rage dependent) or non-existent. SlayerZ consistently DI'd out of tipper Uairs that Void barely reached on his dthrow/ftilt setups in their set.

Anyone else think Peach is a problem for us? Her retreating fair even beats bouncing fish for Christ's sake.

 

[Crackle]

How do you guys fight Shulk ?
I have many problems against him because he outranges me everytime with nair and i can't get in.

Do you have any tips for that matchup ?

Sticking to the grounded shield/needles/dashes/walking and dash punishes tends to make his life a nightmare. Also keep in mind you can do better true combos on him if he switches to Buster/Shield so freestyle on him a bit if you land a hit there.

His offstage is misery unless he saves jump monado, which he will. If he does, watch what he does with it (go onstage or go over to upB from below). If you are dealing with his upB you can stage spike him and probably even do more off of that given he techs/jumptechs. If you are dealing with his jump on to stage just make his landing experience misery.

 

[ArikadoSD]

Peach is giving people trouble. Here in SoCal SlayerZ (Peach) cleaned house against all but Void (Sheik) and the matchup did not look clearly like Void's advantage the way they played. Over in Japan when we sent American players over they used Umeki (Peach) to destroy Vinnie (Sheik). I also personally have a "rivalry" with someone because my secondaries do better against his Peach (Mario/Villager) than my main (Sheik).

The peach boards on the sheik matchup discussion mention a LOT of options for dealing with Sheik recovery and Sheik fair in neutral. And they're surprisingly strong options. Needles just get floated over in neutral as well while gap-closing on us. Our kill combo percent range on Peach if she DI's correctly is either less than 20% (rage dependent) or non-existent. SlayerZ consistently DI'd out of tipper Uairs that Void barely reached on his dthrow/ftilt setups in their set.

Anyone else think Peach is a problem for us? Her retreating fair even beats bouncing fish for Christ's sake.

One of our best players in my scene is a famous Peach main and ever since I figured out the mu he seems to really struggle with it, and for that I believe the MU is easily in our favour, at least 60:40.

Our fair can easily beat out any option Peach likes to throw. Needles can be floated over, sure, but that doesn't really mean sheik just loses the neutral, cuz our fair still beats all her aerials except Fair which is slower than our own fair by a lot. I found dthrow > uair to work really well so I wanna know how slayerz is DIing away from it tbh.

My only gripe with Peach is that she's floaty and it's hard to combo floaties as sheik sometimes.

 

[G. Stache]

Hello sheik mains! The Luigi boards are discussing the MU against you and any input is always a huge help. Click the link below to step into the labs for discussion!

http://smashboards.com/threads/luigi-match-up-discussion-thread.382918/page-13

 

[Spark31]

Been having issues with fighting Kirby's lately. Got sent to losers by one first, than knocked out by one. I would normally try to force them to approach with needles (Kirby doesn't have the best neutral game), but they crouch under everything. I usually charge needles and then cancel into grab, but they down tilt when they see me approach. Any advice?

 

[Zubatman27]

Been having issues with fighting Kirby's lately. Got sent to losers by one first, than knocked out by one. I would normally try to force them to approach with needles (Kirby doesn't have the best neutral game), but they crouch under everything. I usually charge needles and then cancel into grab, but they down tilt when they see me approach. Any advice?

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