Hyrule...Keep it or ban it?

[Battlecow]

Are you crazy. Why would you do that. My DI. Where did my DI go. Oh god, why have you forsaken me.

No, seriously, who likes Japanese version? I kinda liked the fact that even though this was a video game forum, the level of weeaboo obnoxiosity was relatively low. I hope that you have a gameplay reason for switching to (J).

Just for starters, it wouldn't work in america/I assume australia because no one has the right game/console and they don't make them anymore.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Just for starters, it wouldn't work in america/I assume australia because no one has the right game/console and they don't make them anymore.

I had received a special Japanese game converter when I was little from a friend who used to come over and play his Japanese paper mario 64 game on my American n64. When he lost interest with the n64 he gave me the converter.

About 6 months ago I ran into Nintendo All Star Dairanto Smash Bros. at a yard sale and got that for a whooping 5$

I was dismayed after bringing it home to see that it did not work on my console, but I soon remember that converter I had received 5 years ago and, after many long hours in the attic, found the adapter and can successful use the Japanese version on my console.

 

[Battlecow]

Pretty *****in', and I'm jealous, but do enough of us have them to make all-(J) tournaments feasible? Maybe so, OK, but I still like US version better. I mean, why should we switch? Is (J) objectively better? IMO, all this DI is a good thing, although I really haven't played much Japanese version at all.

 

[asianaussie]

the hell do you even know what a weeaboo is

and why would you comment on this when superboom posts utauloid videos without a peep from you, do you have some sort of hatred against me o.o

i like (j) because im thoroughly biased towards link, who is buffed significantly, and because people like rom won't be able to spam his macro DI crap

 

[Battlecow]

I think I express super-duper annoyance whenever people link to J-pop. Not that they don't have a right to, I just disapprove of their taste.

And I wasn't hating on you. I like you. Why do you always think that I'm somehow mad at you?

And everyone knows what a weeaboo is.

 

[asianaussie]

*paranoid* everyone is mad at me

well by that definition everyone who's ever played a whole pokemon game is a weeaboo lol

i love j-pop ho ho i think we should replace the hyrule theme with a nico nico medley it'll make camping enjoyable given that they're like 10 minutes each

that way we wouldn't have to ban the stage

 

[Battlecow]

Erm... What definition now? I didn't say that playing a japanese game made you a weeaboo. I implied that playing a Japanese game when an american (Australian?) version of the game was available, specifically because that version was japanese, was a sign of Wapanese tendencies. Along with J-pop and Pocky.

Of course, you had a legit reason for wanting the (J) version, so you're unweeaboo'd.

 

[The Star King]

If I ever post J-Pop that's not related to a meme, it's probably because I'm amused by its sillyness, not because I actually like the song.

 

[MattNF]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mPqycQ0tQ

good song!

what do you guys think

 

[ciaza]

Playing (J) is fun once in a while if only for more amusing sound effects and a slight change in game pace. I like how hitting a Mario dair>uair combo is a lot easier since the opponent can DI less.

lol at a discussion on weeaboos. Funnily enough I actually do enjoy listening to one of my favourite Nico Nico medleys as I'm playing.

 

[asianaussie]

gee gee gee gee baby baby baby

i think thats the song you posted i dunno im capped but either way its korean i automatically distrust it

 

[th3kuzinator]

very catchy...it has 23 million views for christ sake.

the girls were pretty cute tho.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mPqycQ0tQ

good song!

what do you guys think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGbwL8kSpEk

good song!

same artist!

edit: I just realised this wasn't social thread. Um, hyrule is gay doodz.

 

[NixxxoN]

s**** songs, hot girlz, 99% of attention to watch instead of listen

 

[DemonicInfluence]

lool snsd talk instead of hyrule talk. We're devolving fast.

 

[Surri-Sama]

yea...back on track peoples

(secret meaning)

 

[Fynal]

This is sort of building on a point I think it was Mahie posted:

why not have a bunch of "legal" stages (hyrule, peach's, DL, zebes, congo, maybe more) and have each legal stage have a list of "privileged" characters, such as falcon/pika/more? for DL. Then, for example, you can't play falcon on DL unless the other person is also playing a "privileged" character.

which characters are privileged on which stages I am not good enough to judge, I also dont know how the initial stage would be picked, but it could work

you could also do the opposite, disadvantaged characters, like link on DL, but that seems like it would be harder

edit: possibility: stage is picked before characters in counterpick

another edit: you could do both advantaged/disadvantaged, where for example falcon is legal vs fox on DL, but not vs link (falcon being privileged, link disadvantaged, and fox(presumably?) neutral

this gets very, very complicated and would take a really good backroom to figure out as cheeseball points out

 

[asianaussie]

thats overly complicated and its debatable as to whether a certain character is truly advantaged on a stage, given that every matchup changes whether a stage is really good or merely neutral

seems like a decent idea, but spreading that sort of complicated ruleset is gonna take a while

*coughlook,a plausible thing for a backroom to discusscough*

 

[Fynal]

thats overly complicated and its debatable as to whether a certain character is truly advantaged on a stage, given that every matchup changes whether a stage is really good or merely neutral

I seriously doubt this covers every situation you're referring to, but the point of this system would be that a character wouldnt be advantaged so much on the stage any more, it'd be closer to neutral, in matchups against other characters who also get a stage advantage

 

[th3kuzinator]

honestly the main thing with hyrule is

fox ***** in the tent

and

fox gets edge guarded on dream land

though there are many other characters with tent rapeage, fox is the most versatile with said rapeage. The closest character that can combo like fox in the box is pikachu and even he cant compare to fox.

A good fox will just use his shine spikes on dreamland, but I feel he has a solid advantage with hyrule over dreamland.

IN this case I think hyrule should be only a counterpick because it balances the match for most characters while decreasing it significantly for one or two.

If some Japanese player could get to the finals in a DL tourney with a link then so can you. JUST NEED TO TRY HARDER

 

[ballin4life]

I don't see how fox is that much better than any of the other characters that are good in the tent.

DK is by far the worst imo

 

[Olikus]

honestly the main thing with hyrule is

fox ***** in the tent

and

fox gets edge guarded on dream land

though there are many other characters with tent rapeage, fox is the most versatile with said rapeage. The closest character that can combo like fox in the box is pikachu and even he cant compare to fox.

A good fox will just use his shine spikes on dreamland, but I feel he has a solid advantage with hyrule over dreamland.

IN this case I think hyrule should be only a counterpick because it balances the match for most characters while decreasing it significantly for one or two.

If some Japanese player could get to the finals in a DL tourney with a link then so can you. JUST NEED TO TRY HARDER

Okaju was the best player at that tournament. Honestly, the only reason he didnt won was that he played link vs kirby on DL. So no, its very very hard to win a tourney on DL with Link if you face people who are at your same level/better than you.

As long as you play against people who har worse than you, you can win with every caracther on every stage. But thats not a good enough reason to say that DL should be the only neutral. Need at least 3 neutrals.

 

[MattNF]

I don't think anyone responded to this earlier:

What's wrong with Zebes being a neutral stage?

 

[NixxxoN]

I don't think anyone responded to this earlier:

What's wrong with Zebes being a neutral stage?

Nothing... Providing than you use a cheat and the acid stays down (imo).
With the acid going up and down, its a huge advantage for the more floaties and chars who can fly/jump better.

 

[dandan]

on the other hand the floaties die to the acid way earlier. so if they are spiked to the acid, it can be grim.

 

[Battlecow]

honestly the main thing with hyrule is

fox ***** in the tent

and

fox gets edge guarded on dream land

though there are many other characters with tent rapeage, fox is the most versatile with said rapeage. The closest character that can combo like fox in the box is pikachu and even he cant compare to fox.

A good fox will just use his shine spikes on dreamland, but I feel he has a solid advantage with hyrule over dreamland.

IN this case I think hyrule should be only a counterpick because it balances the match for most characters while decreasing it significantly for one or two.

If some Japanese player could get to the finals in a DL tourney with a link then so can you. JUST NEED TO TRY HARDER

For the last time people, Japanese Link >>> American link. He's like mid/low high tier.

Also, Fynal's idea is much too complicated, and making it so that Doug/pika can only play 2-3 other chars on DL is a Bad Idea (note capitalization), especially if DL becomes the go-to neutral. The whole idea makes my stomach hurt- does anyone really want to be unable to play their favorite character on a good stage just because their opponent is picking a different character? In Fynal's idea, either DL is picked and then I can't play Doug, or I pick Doug/DL and my opponent picks fox and then I have to switch (either to a secondary character or a different stage, presumably Hyrule) and all is wrong in the world.

I still love you though, Fynal.

There's really no need for backroom discussion on this; we can discuss it just fine on this thread.

 

[MattNF]

With the acid going up and down, its a huge advantage for the more floaties and chars who can fly/jump better.

on the other hand the floaties die to the acid way earlier. so if they are spiked to the acid, it can be grim.

So it seems like balances out. Floaties can hover above the acid and stay safer when acid is high, but the risk they take is -if- they get hit they're more likely to die.

 

[Battlecow]

Zebes seems fair enough to me, but I really don't like it. the lava seems like an unnecessary and annoying distraction and it screws with normal gameplay to a much greater degree than tornados or wind. I mean, Items on very high is "fair" enough, but no one wants to do that.

 

[MattNF]

Zebes seems fair enough to me, but I really don't like it. the lava seems like an unnecessary and annoying distraction and it screws with normal gameplay to a much greater degree than tornados or wind. I mean, Items on very high is "fair" enough, but no one wants to do that.

That's not a fair comparison at all. Items can turn the tide of battle unfairly because a good item like a star could spawn next to one player, but not the other. Acid on the other hand affects the stage the same throughout since it's flat.

 

[Surri-Sama]

It's far more likely for the acid to become a punishment...of a worse degree...then a nado

at a point the stage is all acid except 1 small platform...the stage plays to much of a part in the outcome of the game....and how it'll go...

camping sucks...but i'll deal with that before i have to deal with avoiding the acid in a tourney....Zebes is fun...but it does distract the game imo and leads to far worse outcomes due to "environmental hazards"

 

[Olikus]

Well hope this doesn't end with DL as the only neutral instead of Hyrule. That doesn't solve anything. Its just advantage for other characters. And you get pika as ssss tier and link as z tier. If DL gets neutral, Hyrule HAS to be neutral as well. And maybe add more, like Congo jungle for example. With more stages, the game gets more balanced since different characters prefer different stages. Ofc all stages cant be neutral for obvious reasons, but its very possible to have more than one.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

^^^
i believe congo jungle to be the most neutral of the stage list.

 

[felipe_9595]

Hyrule for counter and Dreamland and congo for neutral

And what about Zebes with no lava ??? That can work very well, and with a gameshark device it could be used at real tournaments

 

[P D]

kongo has nothing to di into

and same with zebes

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Felipe, it would be terrible to have an online stage list and an offline one.

for Kongo Jungle, I find it more neutral for the following reasons:

1. The size, it is more similar to DL than hyrule but doesn't have nearly as offensive a platform use. Link isn't terrible here, Fox doesn't have the lasers use of Hyrule and so does Mario's Fireballs as well.

2. The pass through bottom, allows characters with bad recoveries (as in everyone who isn't Pikachu in general) to be able to recover better.

3. It doesn't include a wall or a specific portion that is so much better for someone that they have to camp in it like hyrule. There isn't a single portion of Kongo that I can think of that is that much better than any other area.

 

[Sempiternity]

PD makes a good point though, there is no ledge DI, which has saved many a player and is quite easy to do... It just removes the part of the game that allows characters with predictable and easy to punish recoveries (like all of them) to have even the slightest hope of recovering.

 

[NixxxoN]

PD makes a good point though, there is no ledge DI, which has saved many a player and is quite easy to do... It just removes the part of the game that allows characters with predictable and easy to punish recoveries (like all of them) to have even the slightest hope of recovering.

However, there is the barrel + the capacity to recover through the floor, so id say its not harder to recover there, maybe easier

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

However, there is the barrel + the capacity to recover through the floor, so id say its not harder to recover there, maybe easier

such as your main, ness, or mario's, Luigi's, and Kirbs who can use their vertical recoveries better.

 

[aske91]

what abt we all switch to the euro version of smash where Link is better than he is in the American. By doing that poeple who main Link will feel safer and stop *****ing abt DL is a pain in the ***.
Abracadabra problem solved

 

[asianaussie]

o.o

link is barely better at all in (E), slightly better horizontal recovery

you want to talk about better, talk about (J)