Legend of Zelda Hyrule Historia

[GwJ]

From Hyrule Historia:

Anyone else find this hilarious?

 

[Spire]

Hilarious? No. Interesting? Very much so.

I am so excited for Hyyrule Historia. Any other scans? Where'd you find this?

 

[Luigitoilet]

From Hyrule Historia:

Anyone else find this hilarious?

Not really, this is cool as ****.

 

[Spire]

That whole right side of the page reassures me that EAD ****in rocks. Look at the design under the red-skinned Midna at the top (which is AWESOME). She's like an octopus. Funny how that concept kind of made it into her crazy transformation at the end of TP. Also, look at the Wolf Link that's kind if disintegrating, with the blue eye and snarl.

Man, this book is going to rock so much. Importing it from Japan before it's translated.

 

[Spire]

Apparently the timeline from Hyrule Historia was leaked. Here's what it is:

Main Timeline
• Skyward Sword → The Minish Cap → Four Swords → Ocarina of Time {A, B, C}
(A) Link defeats Ganon - Childhood Branch:
• Majora's Mask → Twilight Princess → Four Swords Adventures
(B) Link defeats Ganon - Adult Branch:
• The Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass → Spirit Tracks
(C) Link fails in Ocarina of Time:
• A Link to the Past → Oracle of Seasons/Oracle of Ages → Link's Awakening → Legend of Zelda/Adventure of Link

Edit: This is subject to change.

 

[Master Slice]

That doesn't make sense. If Link failed in Ocarina then how would Ganon be stuck in the Dark World?

 

[Zoro]

We always assumed the imprisoning war spoken of in Link to the Past was Hyrules' ordeals during Ocarina of Time.

If this list is official we can assume it took much longer to defeat Ganon without Link and with many more casualties.

The 7 Sages were eventually awakened without Link's help. Whether it's the ones from OOT or not remains to be seen. Like in twilight princess, the sages of that timeline had enough power to seal Ganon on their own. If you think about it in OOT, Link only helped the process along he didn't do much on his own except weaken him. Forgot to add that in Twilight they emphasize the need for the Hero to weaken Ganon before the imprisoning ritual since one of the Sages actually died when Ganon was resisting.

Imprisoning War kinda makes sense now
Though I feel there are still tons of holes in the rest of the series

 

[theeboredone]

To expand on what Zoro said, I think this should detail what happens fairly well.

Link Fails - Link had received all three spiritual stones and is on his way to the Temple of Time. Zelda and Impa ride off on the horse and Zelda gives Link the Ocarina. Then Link goes to the Temple and pulls the Master Sword. STOP. This is where "Link fails". Once Link pulls the Master Sword, he doesn't come back and Hyrule falls to Ganondorf.

Hero of Time Wins (child) - Link goes back to a kid after defeating Ganon as an adult, and warns the people of Hyrule about Ganondorf. STOP. Now this is where you can prove that the 3-way-split-theory is justifiable. If Link were sent back to the exact time he left, his warning would have been too little, too late, wouldn't it? Ganondorf was already in the middle of his takeover, and Zelda had already fled. Who would he warn? Link is REALLY sent back to his first meeting with Zelda. THIS is why there are 3 timelines. The Link that collected the 3 spiritual stones and got the Ocarina of Time failed to help Zelda stop Ganondorf, and is gone in one timeline already. This is another Link that succeeded.

Hero of Time Wins (present) - Adult Link defeats Ganon, and Adult Zelda sends him back to relive his childhood. Ganon comes back in this time and without any Link to stop him, they have to flood Hyrule. STOP. What Nintendo intended is that because the adult that defeated Ganon was plucked from 7 years ago, there was no Link known to the world. The child who grew up to be an adult while sleeping in the Temple of Time is gone."

My only question is, why was there never a link in the future timeline? Was he killed? Was he just too lazy to do anything? It's been ages since I've played a bunch of the other Zelda games, but this is what I understand from OoT.

 

[Zoro]

I really like that explanation thee

Kind of sad that Link was unable to return to his original timeline. Also forgot that the sages from OOT are the same sages that seal Ganon for sure in the original timeline. Which means they don't need Link to be awakened at all. The towns from Zelda II are named after these sages (which is on the failure timeline). Zelda/Sheik probably took care of business without him.

The fact that Twinrova is alive in Oracle of Ages and Seasons makes perfect sense now

This timeline is growing on me

 

[GwJ]

Link Fails - Link had received all three spiritual stones and is on his way to the Temple of Time. Zelda and Impa ride off on the horse and Zelda gives Link the Ocarina. Then Link goes to the Temple and pulls the Master Sword. STOP. This is where "Link fails". Once Link pulls the Master Sword, he doesn't come back and Hyrule falls to Ganondorf.

Hero of Time Wins (child) - Link goes back to a kid after defeating Ganon as an adult, and warns the people of Hyrule about Ganondorf. STOP. Now this is where you can prove that the 3-way-split-theory is justifiable. If Link were sent back to the exact time he left, his warning would have been too little, too late, wouldn't it? Ganondorf was already in the middle of his takeover, and Zelda had already fled. Who would he warn? Link is REALLY sent back to his first meeting with Zelda. THIS is why there are 3 timelines. The Link that collected the 3 spiritual stones and got the Ocarina of Time failed to help Zelda stop Ganondorf, and is gone in one timeline already. This is another Link that succeeded.

Hero of Time Wins (present) - Adult Link defeats Ganon, and Adult Zelda sends him back to relive his childhood. Ganon comes back in this time and without any Link to stop him, they have to flood Hyrule. STOP. What Nintendo intended is that because the adult that defeated Ganon was plucked from 7 years ago, there was no Link known to the world. The child who grew up to be an adult while sleeping in the Temple of Time is gone."

I don't think you explained it properly. Link never left Hyrule after pulling the sword. He merely waited 7 years. The Hyrule he 'left' is the same one Link is at in the future. There's still just 2 different universes, not 3.

 

[theeboredone]

Well this is apparently the explanation Nintendo is providing (according to a fan translation from the Japanese version.) I mean, I originally thought that the only "time travel" in OoT was when Zelda sent Link back in time to warn everybody of Ganondorf's uprising. Link never "travelled" to the future, because he simply slept in the Temple of Time for 7 years.

So ya.

Here's more from the Fan Translation.

Main Timeline
1. Skyward Sword
2. Minish Cap
3. Four Swords.
4. Ocarina Of Time

Split 1: Link defeats Ganon — childhood branch
a) Majora's Mask
b) Twilight Princess
c) Four Swords Adventures

Split 2: Link defeats Ganon — adult branch
a) Wind Waker
b) Phantom Hourglass
c) Spirit Tracks

Split 3: Link fails in Ocarina Of Time
a) A Link To The Past
b) Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons
c) Link's Awakening
d) The Legend of Zelda
e) Zelda II: The Adventure of Link

 

[GwJ]

For split 3, I'm imagining the only way for it to happen were if Link died before pulling the Master Sword, correct?

 

[Lore]

I don't think you explained it properly. Link never left Hyrule after pulling the sword. He merely waited 7 years. The Hyrule he 'left' is the same one Link is at in the future. There's still just 2 different universes, not 3.

He pulls up the sword, goes forward, and all that is the same. This is not the root of the split.

He goes to the future, does stuff, then he goes back in time (not sleeps, legitly goes back) to do things that he does through future knowledge (spirit temple). He never returns to the original time before he pulled up the sword; this is a new timeline, and the original doesn't have a Link to save it at any point.

 

[GwJ]

That would be a viable option if it wasn't noted as Link being defeated by Ganondorf.

 

[Zoro]

That would be a viable option if it wasn't noted as Link being defeated by Ganondorf.

It says Hyrule falls to Ganon I don't see where you read that.



Question:
Do you think Ruto was killed in Twilight Princess?
Before this timeline I had always thought that there were two timelines and that in the Child timeline, the original sages were never killed in OOT. So in TP the water sage is killed but it could have been anybody with that logic. Now I think Ruto was killed because they were still awakened since we see their names in Adventure of Link which is in the original timeline (Without Link's help).

Baseless Theory more than anything:
Unrelated a bit but this also makes me wonder if there is a reason why there are no good Zoras in Hyrule in the main timeline after OOT. I think all the good Zoras moved to the Seas of Labrynna (we see King Zora and Jabu Jabu in the sea in Oracle of Ages) to escape Ganon and the bad aquatic creatures stuck around but people still called them Zoras. This gives more credibility to Oracle games being canon. The Zoras never return to Hyrule again.

 

[Master Slice]

But doesn't Ganon only get the trident in FSA? Then how would he have the trident in ALTTP?

 

[Lore]

But doesn't Ganon only get the trident in FSA? Then how would he have the trident in ALTTP?

Maybe the one in ALTTP was just a regular trident? Just a thought.

I also have a feeling that they just threw FSA there until they find a way to make it fit better, tbh. It doesn't feel like it comes after TP, ya know? Besides, I think I remember someone saying that they occasionally change the timeline.

 

[Ecks]

So let's see if I understand... Split three happens because Link can't get through the Spirit Temple as an adult and has to canonically go back to the past. So in this timeline Link can't get to all the sages and Ganon wins. When Link takes the sword again, it creates another timeline in which he could reach the last sage.

But Link has to canonically go back to the past to get the Eye Of Truth before actually being able to enter the temple, so that must have made yet another timeline in which Ganon wins right?

This is why you don't mess with time Nintendo. It's pretty interesting though.

Also, it's funny to think that every time you go back in time just for the hell of it, you're basically giving up and dooming a parallel universe you'll never see again. lol

 

[Luigitoilet]

yeah, that's why it's dumb. so what, are there a hundred million split timelines because of all the time traveling Link did in Majora's Mask?

 

[theeboredone]

So let's see if I understand... Split three happens because Link can't get through the Spirit Temple as an adult and has to canonically go back to the past. So in this timeline Link can't get to all the sages and Ganon wins. When Link takes the sword again, it creates another timeline in which he could reach the last sage.

But Link has to canonically go back to the past to get the Eye Of Truth before actually being able to enter the temple, so that must have made yet another timeline in which Ganon wins right?

This is why you don't mess with time Nintendo. It's pretty interesting though.

Also, it's funny to think that every time you go back in time just for the hell of it, you're basically giving up and dooming a parallel universe you'll never see again. lol

Well, think of the time travel when Link pulls the sword as "fast forward." That's how Link ends up growing up anyways. You can't "travel" into the future, and somehow grow up in the process. When he goes back for the Lens of Truth, because he was doing **** in the past that he originally didn't, it creates a split when he fast forwards back into time again (for some reason, they opted not to do it like the Butterfly Effect). So he goes into another timeline (Alternate Future), where he proceeds to beat Ganon. Then he is transferred back beyond all of the original time line and goes off to warn Zelda of the future events (Alternate Past.)

So it is in the alternate future, where Link never comes back after Ganon breaks free, that leads to WW. And in the original time line, because Link travelled into an alternate future, and back into an alternate past...well no Link in the original timeline, hence "Link fails."

 

[Ecks]

Yeah I understand that. I'm just saying that Link travels back in time 2 times in OoT. Once for the lens, and another one for the Spirit Temple, therefore he failed two times, and there should be another identical split.

 

[Lore]

I think they're saving the other "split reveal" so that they can shoehorn any outside-normal-canon things into a line.

I wouldn't be surprised if FSA is actually on that "line" on their real list and that this list is simply missing that line on purpose so that we can wrap our heads around a 3rd line first.

 

[theeboredone]

I've always wanted to play a game starring Ganondorf and I think the events after OoT Adult Timeline (When he breaks out and there is no Link) could be nice to have him take over, and fight the 7 sages.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Here's the thing.

All timelines in which Link fails lead to the same thing: Ganondorf eventually conquering Hyrule. Therefore the exact subtleties of these timelines is irrelevant when they all lead to the same future.

All timelines in Majora's Mask in which you travel back lead to the same thing likewise: The complete and utter destruction of Termina. No "oh Ganon got sealed away", the Moon isn't interested in conquering Termina, it's interested in it's complete and utter destruction. Thus all failed timelines in MM are irrelevant, for there's no opportunity for future games.

Also it's very possible to go back in time and do both the Bottom of the Well and childhood Spirit Temple, which as far as story goes, would likely be the canon for that particular part. Link discovers he can't properly progress in the Shadow Temple, instead follows that lead on the Spirit Temple, discovers he can't progress there, returns to his past and obtains the Eye of Truth and the Silver Gauntlets. Gameplay and story segregation and all that.

 

[AeroLink_the_SoulMaster]

yeah, that's why it's dumb. so what, are there a hundred million split timelines because of all the time traveling Link did in Majora's Mask?

Or Oracle of Ages.

 

[Spire]

The timeline page. From this, I group the games based on Link continuity:

1. Link, The Chosen Hero // Skyward Sword
2. Link, Hero of Men // The Minish Cap → Four Swords
3. Link, Hero of Time // Ocarina of Time → Majora's Mask
4. Link, Hero of the Essences of Time and Nature // A Link to the Past → Oracle of Ages/Oracle of Seasons → Link's Awakening
5. Link, Hero of Hyrule // Legend of Zelda → Adventure of Link
6. Link, Hero Chosen by the Gods // Twilight Princess
7. Four Swords Adventures
8. Link, Hero of Winds // Wind Waker → Phantom Hourglass
9. Link, Royal Engineer // Spirit Tracks

Those are the titles granted to Link throughout the series. FSA never granted Link a title as far as I know. So we've played as 9 different Links.

 

[Ecks]

Here's the thing.

All timelines in which Link fails lead to the same thing: Ganondorf eventually conquering Hyrule. Therefore the exact subtleties of these timelines is irrelevant when they all lead to the same future.

All timelines in Majora's Mask in which you travel back lead to the same thing likewise: The complete and utter destruction of Termina. No "oh Ganon got sealed away", the Moon isn't interested in conquering Termina, it's interested in it's complete and utter destruction. Thus all failed timelines in MM are irrelevant, for there's no opportunity for future games.

Also it's very possible to go back in time and do both the Bottom of the Well and childhood Spirit Temple, which as far as story goes, would likely be the canon for that particular part. Link discovers he can't properly progress in the Shadow Temple, instead follows that lead on the Spirit Temple, discovers he can't progress there, returns to his past and obtains the Eye of Truth and the Silver Gauntlets. Gameplay and story segregation and all that.

Not possible at all. You need the lens (and longshot) to cross the desert. Sheik then teaches Link the song so he can use it to return there as a kid. Also, iirc Link isn't allowed to enter Gerudo's as a kid.

Unless you can get the lens before getting the master sword in the first place, but I have no idea if that's even possible.

But whatever, it doesn't matter since both fail timelines lead to the same exact event. It's just a nice discovery. And Link won twice anyways, so it evens out.

Edit: It's actually a pretty cool thing to have split timelines. I would love to see one of those end up in some steam punk or futuristic setting.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Oh right, I forgot about that lol.

I really need to play through OoT without speedrunning again.

Also the timeline with Spirit Tracks has trains... I could see that leading to steampunk.

 

[Ecks]

So there's a Skyward Sword prequel manga included with Hyrule Historia.

It's being translated here and it's about halfway done if anybody's interested. 15 pages are done. It goes without saying that it has SS spoilers, so be careful.

 

[Phantom7]

So there's a Skyward Sword prequel manga included with Hyrule Historia.

It's being translated here and it's about halfway done if anybody's interested. 15 pages are done. It goes without saying that it has SS spoilers, so be careful.

That's awesome that they included that, but it's kind of funny to me that they tried to fight the Loftwing.

 

[KrIsP!]

Apparently the timeline from Hyrule Historia was leaked. Here's what it is:

Main Timeline
• Skyward Sword → The Minish Cap → Four Swords → Ocarina of Time {A, B, C}
(A) Link defeats Ganon - Childhood Branch:
• Majora's Mask → Twilight Princess → Four Swords Adventures
(B) Link defeats Ganon - Adult Branch:
• The Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass → Spirit Tracks
(C) Link fails in Ocarina of Time:
• A Link to the Past → Oracle of Seasons/Oracle of Ages → Link's Awakening → Legend of Zelda/Adventure of Link

Edit: This is subject to change.

I don't understand B, I feel like all of WW's continuity should just be pasted onto the back of MM with a 1000 years later tag line, of course the same should go for TP and I can't fit WW and TP together so I guess they took the easy way out. They should'nt have made three time lines though, if something didn't fit they should have put a '?' to allude to a new game and make everybody smile.

 

[GwJ]

Why 1000 years later? Hyrule already forgets almost everything that happens to them after just a hundred or two years. Nobody would ever even know of anything remotely related to the Hero of Time.

For reference to the fact that they at least have a legend of him, see Link's clothes.

Also, the intro video confirms that there is basically no Link between OoT and tWW. Further, with that logic, either MM Link is somehow different (which he's not), or tWW happens on another timeline (which it is).