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He's saying that no one is becoming better when they just handicap themselves by just getting good at levels where have obvious advantages . You wanna be a great young link/yoshi/pikachu/whatever? Then learn to fight on the neutrals, not just on your gay-a.ss counterpick.
If you're working on your character and not how he exploits the stage, you won't have to worry about that. Learn to handle how you can control your little guy on screen, and camping should become a waste of time.
It's not about who has an advantage, it's about not supporting a fighting style that doesn't allow you to grow in skill.
mars, how new are you to the community that you think this is true? the ec used to play on fd only, 5 stock. japan plays on 2 stages. wc just hosted a tournament called oc2 where there were only a total of 6 stages on (guess what ones). it was a compromise for japan players, but no one complained about it.
i didn't say we were bad cuz of the rules. i said we are bad because we rely on counterpicks to win, which ive explained 2 many times inherently fails.
tourney placement =/= smarts.
Excellent point sir, I had almost forgotten. I myself am all for Japan's stages, but oc2's are admirable.
Now im, no pro by any means but I must disagree with you here. Just last night Eddie was camping in my brain every match I played him in. And it took me a long time to notice, and even when I did notice, my lower tiered brain could do nothing to thwart the camping. And eddie camps this way with every character, its actually pretty cheap if you ask me. I've noticed tink does it too. GET OUT OF MY HEAD YOU JERK-STORE!Dr. Steve Brule said:
ok, ya so here's why you are now my friend for life
Well that's good and all but some people are actually looking out for what's best for the midwest, not just themselves, which ironically, includes them.
i didnt back my arguement with that statement, i backed it up with other things. read the post. but that IS what kishes say.
stages are easy to learn. if it takes you more than a few matches you are a slow learner. its what certain characters can do on those stages that others can't that make them banworthy.
once again learning a stage isnt the problem. and whatever marth gains in platform abilities, he loses in chaingrab abilities and other characters, like falco and fox, gain in combo ability.
you can know what to do in a matchup, but not be able to do anything against it. an example of this was onett. the stage is so ridiculously biased towards fox it was banned. another example is fox on green greens and corneria. another example of this is peach/jiggs on mute and peach on brinstar. why do you think alot of players of those characters that like to camp go there every time? its almost a guaranteed win if they are playing someone of equal skill.
no its not just thier problem. it's mw's problem. less good players to play = less skill overall. why do you think ec is so good?
no she cant. hugS is the only samus who is in the upper echelon of competitive play in the US. if an aggressive playstyle would work, he would be using it. if you think aniki's style is aggressive (which i disagree with anyways) that doesnt mean it would be successful over here. US has a very different style than japan.
mw's skill is THAT big a deal, at least to me.
no he's not aggressive. and hes DEFINITELY not top 10.
at one point in the match all you did was double missle. and yes you did missle camp.
this is more proof. you rely on "odd stages" to get that 1 win, instead of working on the neutral levels and learning how to fight. you are a poster boy for what is happening to the midwest.
uhhhh watch his videos?
you double missled.
you JUST SAID you use those counterpicks, not any other stages. only those. therefore you rely on them.
That was not his point at all, from what i understand. His point is pretty clear. He wants the MW to be more than counter-pick dependent people who aren't working on what they should be to become better smashers.
Thank you hugS
I wish I could double missle... but I can't press the buh'ns fast enough.Mars said:
Please do get into the Stage debate, because regardless of where you are from, you are still a top smasher.
looks good 
This is worse. Where you high when you wrote it. This is also a joke, not a personal attack, so pleases don't flip out. Although this isn't a good idea.
haha, making sure you don't get the "caps attack?"
the major purpose is to get mw better on neutrals, where it counts, instead of "gay boaty" or w/e u called it lol.
originally, jazzness, u may have rememberd. me and drew's stage list was fd and bf. but you run into too many problems with only 2 stages on random. besides that, having ps, dl64, and fd on random is an equal balance and is waht i am doing for Tiers Don't Exist I: Quad-Nair (thread will be up in tourney disc soon)
Rofl, everyone was taking all of my post the wrong way, so I made them into shorter messages that people can understand. I'm also sure you can find all of my posts have most likely been quoted.