Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread

[Bwmat]

Ugh @ that plup bizz set.

The 'oh my God' at the end summarizes it perfectly

 

[Bwmat]

Speaking of fair off platforms, runoff ledge fair is so swag, especially when is a combo ender(as opposed to edge guard)

 

[PseudoTurtle]

My friend is a Falcon main with a DK secondary and man, cargo upthrow to upairs really hurt big G

Yea it does. If you don't DI out after the throw (gets you one, maybe two hits guaranteed), just DI off stage. DK can't follow up at all and you have a ton of options to get back on stage and DK can't cover all of them.

Key matchup tips are don't attack the back of his shield (up-b oos is stupid), only attack the front if his shield with GOOD spacing so he can't grab. Up air and side-b both beat his bair. If you do get grabbed, DI out and then off stage. You won't get comboed that hard. Ganon wins, trust me. It isn't a free matchup by any means, but it isn't exactly a tough one. Easier than marth for example.

 

[Swagic]

I have a theory as to why the Ganon boards are so much more active than all the others despite the small number of people on it (comparatively). I have a feeling it's because we all think Ganon is SO close to breaking out of that low-mid tier house he's been stuck in and everyone wants to be able to contribute to the meta.

Also Eikelmann recruited about 3.5 million new people at every event he went to for a while there.

 

[-ACE-]

Ganon mains just kick ass.

Only explanation I can offer.

 

[spider_sense]

Don't worry guys I'll be there to open the gates of greatness for you all.

 

[Swagic]

Well, doubles are starting and no RockCrock and no recording setup. They may be coming late though.

Edit: RockCrock is here, no news on the recording

 

[F. Stein]

Hope they still get to come.

My theory on it would be closer to Ace's lol, we all just want to crush the opposition so we are just constantly going to figure out how to do it. That means communing with fellow kings of evil on a daily basis xD

 

[-ACE-]

Fugg sheek

 

[F. Stein]

Yeah I know that feeling. I lost to fox robot hands waves hi night me today. It's so frustrating. I wonder why I take the ridicule of playing ganon sometime. Had to opt to play off stream after I got bumped out of winners just to get away from it. Still got made fun of because the fox did nothing but moonwalk after waves hinting me off fd. I wish I could play a top tier on days like this.

 

[-ACE-]

Well I just lost to a link player while drunk af and he conveniently doesn't remember the last time we played with me sober (3 stock). Gotta love it.

 

[Diosama]

Yeah I know that feeling. I lost to fox robot hands waves hi night me today. It's so frustrating. I wonder why I take the ridicule of playing ganon sometime. Had to opt to play off stream after I got bumped out of winners just to get away from it. Still got made fun of because the fox did nothing but moonwalk after waves hinting me off fd. I wish I could play a top tier on days like this.

Tech skill is not the only ingredient in the recipe for success.

 

[F. Stein]

We were at about the same skill level. I said robot hands because he did more than 20 perfect waveshines and reacted to any escape attempt perfectly. That's why I said that lol.

 

[Swagic]

Obligatory post-tourney write-up:

First tournament since November and the first one I had since I started actually learning real techskill. Annoyingly, I got to the venue and my timing completely just fell apart. I couldn't do ANY of my skills, even just ledgehops and L-cancels. So I spent the few friendlies I could get in just trying to adjust my timing (all sets were tournament sets once bracket started).

First match was against a mid-level IC. I'd watched him play doubles, so I knew to be careful of getting Wobbled, but I also knew his weren't actually true infinites. Game one, strike to Dreamland (he banned BF and Yoshi's), and I can't waveland to save my life. I flubbed all of them that game, but he wasn't on point and kept knocking me into the air and didn't know what to do about me coming down with a dair. Unfortunately, when I came down with a bair, I got knocked into the grab (he used a desync that actually knocked me into Popo's grab). Wobbled, dead. I got him on separations a few times, but missed L-cancels and wavelands killed me. Game 2, BF, more of the same. I did manage to mash out of the Wobble once, though (hence not a perfect infinite). His game was ENTIRELY wobble based. If I could have avoided those grabs, I would have probably two or three stocked him. Instead, I got 2-0'd.

Losers first game was a Ganon ditto with a kid new to competitive melee. We made it just fun. I got a triple dair into uair into WF spike. 2-0'd him.

Second losers set was against a low-mid level Marth. Game one was close, but I ended up clutching it out after many tech flubs on the last stock with some decent edgeguarding. Game two was very similar, came down to edgeguarding on the last stock and I just messed up the spacing on the uair. He made it back and fsmashed me. Game three was quite possibly the worst I have ever played. One genuine SD, one TERRIBLE recovery, and one bad stock made it a blowout. On my last stock, I had a legendary recovery, though. I hugged him once, he came out and missed the dair, so I hugged him again, and he came out and missed the fair and I hugged him again and he came out and daired me (I was at the top of the screen), I got the "cancel," and went for another hug. He baired me, SD'd, and hit me high enough that I recovered.

In other news, watched RockCrock wreck face. I watched him play like I was studying videos and I realized that the biggest difference in level between him and me is decision making. He ALWAYS makes the right choice, whereas I just kinda go for something and hope it works, because I don't remember the right choice.

Wow this feels like one of the write-ups @Coastward would do back in the day.

 

[X WaNtEd X]

Many ICs in my region are consistent wobblers. I've nearly taken sets vs. PR ICs players in my region, so I consider myself ok at the MU.

My strat is to always mash. It will actually disrupt normally sound wobblers. If they see that you'll actually break out of a grab if they're not perfect, it will disrupt their gameplay in some cases.

Get good at converting off separations and you'll be really solid in the MU. And always DI away on throws. Sopo has a chain grab. But it's harder for him when he has to dash JC grab.

Never attack ICs up-b or side-b on start up. Space around that. Hell, even use ledge invincibility to take out some things.

 

[SwiftNinjaBlackMan]

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Ailenwingv3/video/14973928 i believe this is what getting punched by looks like in first person lmaoooooo

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

Well I just lost to a link player while drunk af and he conveniently doesn't remember the last time we played with me sober (3 stock). Gotta love it.

Yuh let me down

 

[Linguini]

Won a big tourney for the first time in years yesterday; def that birthday power. Beat blea (twice) and porkchops pretty convincingly..havn't been on fire like that in quite some time...I was streamed but apparently the dude recording choked and didn't press the save broadcast button -__-

 

[-ACE-]

Won a big tourney for the first time in years yesterday; def that birthday power. Beat blea (twice) and porkchops pretty convincingly..havn't been on fire like that in quite some time...I was streamed but apparently the dude recording choked and didn't press the save broadcast button -__-

I literally just checked twitch 2 minutes ago and was like WTF

Happy bday dawg

X WaNtEd X had a climbers main in my pool. Had him laughing his ass off game 2, I landed like 8 stomps in a row (nana separated) into fair lol. Gotem with dair to dsmash (fair, wf spike ko) 0-death too.

YvngFlameHoe yeah the bar being right next to the casino does me in every time after pools lol. 2-0'd my pool except a sheik player that chaingrabbed perfectly, lost 2-1.

 

[Duel]

Won a big tourney for the first time in years yesterday; def that birthday power. Beat blea (twice) and porkchops pretty convincingly..havn't been on fire like that in quite some time...I was streamed but apparently the dude recording choked and didn't press the save broadcast button -__-

This pains me to hear, not enough quality Ganon content out there, I can never get enough. Congrats on the win though.

 

[Swagic]

Linguini took first, Blea second, Spidey third. That's some quality Ganon play right there.

 

[spider_sense]

LOL L Linguini it was suppose to be us in Grands. -__- Lost another very close set AGAIN to Blea, but thanks at least telling me the proper way to approach that mu...even if it wasn't recorded. I had a blast tho Happy birthday Pasta.

You guys missed some great commentary by -ACE- "Heavy is the crown"

 

[RedmanSSBM]

Are you ****ing serious it wasn't recorded?

I'm mad.

 

[Swagic]

Let's just take a moment o appreciate that the top 3 of a large regional included ZERO top tiers.

 

[-ACE-]

spider_sense everything after pools is a blur. I'm sure my commentary was a small hit LOL the Bartender that made that first long island was def a Ganon main.

 

[BraveGrunt]

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[Swagic]

Yo, does anyone here know how to keep Pokémon Stadium on a specific transformation? I want to do an analysis of the stage and all its transformations, but it might be kind of difficult with it changing every 2 seconds.

20XX?

 

[BraveGrunt]

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[-ACE-]

I don't think that option is a thing. Would be cool tho

 

[Swagic]

I thought 20XX only allowed for staying on the initial stage, not every transformation.

Well, at least in 4.0 they're listed as "hacked" stages.

 

[-ACE-]

LOL I just now realized I was still in the tournament last night. Forfeited last match without knowing

 

[F. Stein]

I've done that before lol. Just claim that Ganon grew bored of the soft matchups.

 

[-ACE-]

First time EVER for me, I actually find it funny lol

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

Won a big tourney for the first time in years yesterday; def that birthday power. Beat blea (twice) and porkchops pretty convincingly..havn't been on fire like that in quite some time...I was streamed but apparently the dude recording choked and didn't press the save broadcast button -__-

yea baby cakes ****ed up and -ACE- the sheik player you played was Noghrilla, he's on PR in PM, he beat blea in PM

 

[-ACE-]

yea baby cakes ****ed up and -ACE- the sheik player you played was Noghrilla, he's on PR in PM, he beat blea in PM

Nah he's the guy that got a free win. Never met him

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

he said he Cg'd and 4 stocked you

 

[ForTheLulz]

yea baby cakes ****ed up and -ACE- the sheik player you played was Noghrilla, he's on PR in PM, he beat blea in PM

noghrilla gets salty af online on anther's
like he will lie about online and irl results like nothing else

I was practicing some falcon for the last two days and I honestly think that after practicing ganon tech falcon tech is ez
Everything from haxdashes, moonwalks, and even combo conversions that I couldn't do was so much easier for me to do.

edit: here is some peoples discussing nogh

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

noghrilla gets salty af online on anther's
like he will lie about online and irl results like ^

I was practicing some falcon for the last two days and I honestly think that after practicing ganon tech falcon tech is ez
Everything from haxdashes, moonwalks, and even combo conversions that I couldn't do was so much easier for me to do.

I feel like Hax dashing is easier cause RLD is harder, moonwalks are the same since they're both dash first it's just Falcon's goes farther, and since nair doesn't suck with Falcon, it's makes extending combo's easier

 

[-ACE-]

he said he Cg'd and 4 stocked you

LMAO I couldn't pick this guy out of a crowd to save my life

 

[ForTheLulz]

Noghrilla in a nutshell: http://pastebin.com/t1rhdPqA