Personally I JC grab against sheik either way starting from 30%. Not to toot my own horn here but I'd bet I'm among the most consistent at that CG. You can take it to 70-80 and fsmash, which will kill on a lot of stages but is pretty hard. I usually try to take it up to 80+ then fair or bair, which sets up for the edgeguard well which can convert into the kill pretty consistently. At that %, fair will take their jump a lot of the time.
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Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread
- Thread starter Linguini
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Coastward
Smash Lord
you probably chaingrab in your sleep
SwiftNinjaBlackMan
Smash Apprentice
imo every ganon main should just do this when they encounter sheik
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Gotem City Vigilante
One thing about ending the cg with sheik. If you want to go all the way to mid80's and fsmash, do the up angled fsmash for +1 damage and a hitbox that reaches higher.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Most likely lol. Sheik feels like nothing after practicing the Falco cg for a while.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Yeah I don't regrab fox until about 70% either. Falco is game around 50 if I'm feeling it.
Coastward
Smash Lord
**** that. dont want to hinder the progress of my main by relying on a secondary for a matchup i hardly understand yet.imo every ganon main should just do this when they encounter sheik
i was gonna pick up fox, but it'll take way too long to have my fox skill level catch up and be even with my ganon so it's not really worth it in my eyes.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Yeah, it'd be different if falcon/Ganon had more similar movement. They're so different. You can see how kage plays falcon like Ganon and n0ne kinda plays Ganon like falcon.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who's noticed that lmao
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Gotem City Vigilante
If there's ever been 2 players that should take a page out of each other's playbook, it's them. The other player has what the first one lacks. Sorta. Lol
X WaNtEd X
Smash Lord
Well sense the Canadians aren't showing up to this, I probably can get top 3. So I'd like to beat at least one of these Sheiks as they are the other two players that will probably get top 3. Probably won't beat Tian, but I'm gonna try. I play to learn most of the time, but I like to pick tournaments where I have a good chance of doing really well to play to win because it's good for your mentality. And this is one of those tournaments. Not to mention cash would be nice lol.
I drop it at random; no idea when. I can figure it out later, I just don't have time to play much before this tournament. I'm working like every day leading up to it and ****. That's why I'm asking about these setups lol. If I had the time I'd try and grind it before Sunday, but I don't. But trust me, when I get back home, I'll get some good practice at it.
I drop it at random; no idea when. I can figure it out later, I just don't have time to play much before this tournament. I'm working like every day leading up to it and ****. That's why I'm asking about these setups lol. If I had the time I'd try and grind it before Sunday, but I don't. But trust me, when I get back home, I'll get some good practice at it.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Make sure your method of jc grabbing is very fluid. Sometimes, especially as demanding speed-wise as the spacies cg is, I'll catch myself hitting X and Z at exactly the same time and obviously whiff the grab.
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PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
what r u
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Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
Thank God I'm not alone
I shorthop with x though... Most of the time. I used to be proud of my proficiency of shffl uair with fox done with analog + a haha
I guess I just started with... Inoptimal habits when I was bad, and I was too stubborn to actually ever change them. **** I sd or get punished super hard due to missed wd/wl sooooo often it's sad.
I shorthop with x though... Most of the time. I used to be proud of my proficiency of shffl uair with fox done with analog + a haha
I guess I just started with... Inoptimal habits when I was bad, and I was too stubborn to actually ever change them. **** I sd or get punished super hard due to missed wd/wl sooooo often it's sad.
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Gotem City Vigilante
I actually started with using up for jc grab, it's just different for everyone, because once I discovered how easily I could fp jc grab with X and Z I switched and never looked back
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RedmanSSBM
Improving My Process
Officially Registered for The Big House 5! :D
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Gotem City Vigilante
I've been told that bh5 is supposed to make bh4 look like a smash fest.
aHarmlessCup
Smash Rookie
Hi, I'm Cup from StL, MO. I've been playing for 7 months, and I've been struggling with the fox matchup, mainly covering the horizontal Firefox recovery directly at Ganon and the let go of ledge shine stall > waveland onto stage. I love edgeguarding space animals, but I still get caught up in their tricks and burned. Can I get some critique for game 1 on battlefield or the rest if possible? I'm also under-utilizing instant u-air for the moment fox decides to approach with an aerial.
Edit: video link http://youtu.be/N-C3oNcGLAo
Many things I do already notice:
1.Throwing wizards foot in neutral
2.Throwing unsafe dairs as an approach/when I'm falling down from getting his by aerials
3.Overcommitting to an edgeguard option
4.Not mixing up with tomahawk grabs
5.Continuously jumping from ledge when I'm nervous (90% of my match)
6.Not confident in RLD+fair/dair mixup from ledge or waveland + roll to center stage to safety
Edit: video link http://youtu.be/N-C3oNcGLAo
Many things I do already notice:
1.Throwing wizards foot in neutral
2.Throwing unsafe dairs as an approach/when I'm falling down from getting his by aerials
3.Overcommitting to an edgeguard option
4.Not mixing up with tomahawk grabs
5.Continuously jumping from ledge when I'm nervous (90% of my match)
6.Not confident in RLD+fair/dair mixup from ledge or waveland + roll to center stage to safety
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Gotem City Vigilante
^^^ All Ganon mains have big *****. That pic is just an understatement.[/quote]Plus, knee'ing Ganon can be very damaging for obvious reasons..
I approve.
When fox upB's directly at ganon, ftilt or low-angled ftilt is good if you don't have much time to react. It will often trade but unless you are at high %, you can still get the kill. If you have a little more time, then dash away short hop bair is good, and rarely trades. You can also dash away SH uair spike if his upB ends right before the uair hits and you are still close to ledge (sends him down + away offstage).
When fox shine stalls, he has to double jump at some point. Either he can double jump over the side of the stage, or he can sweetspot his double jump and grab ledge (which is very difficult). In either case, you can wait until the moment you expect him to double jump, then throw out a hitbox near the edge (low-angled ftilt, dtilt, fair, uair, bair are all good choices depending on the situation). If he tries to waveland onstage or throw out an attack, he will get hit and probably die because he has no jump. If he tries to grab the edge but jumps just barely too high, he will also get hit by your attack and probably die. He is only safe if he sweetspots his jump perfectly, which most foxes can't actually do (and you can even hit him out of that if you time the uair spike frame-perfectly).
Most of the bad habits you pointed out about yourself are good things to work on. Just pay attention to those things when you play and try to minimize them.
Neutral:
Work on your ground movement. Almost every time you move, you start by jumping. Staying grounded more and using jab / tilts / grab will help you be less predictable and you'll be harder to punish. It also opens up crouch canceling at low percents. Try to use less fairs / dairs and more auto-canceled bairs / uairs, or tomahawks / wavelands into grounded moves.
Edgeguarding:
It usually helps to have your back turned vs fox when edgeguarding, for uair and bair, or to grab ledge quickly. It's easy enough to turn around low-angled ftilt even if your back is turned. When his only option is to go to ledge, just grab the ledge and roll up.
Hope that helps. Feel free to ask any other questions
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
LOLLL I got bodied by Hindawg and vro again. After almost beating vro on Wednesday, I got 3-0'd... convincingly. 5th place again. **** fifth place.
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Gotem City Vigilante
You'll get there man. As it stands in south Florida there are about 10 guys out of 50 I really have trouble beating. Just have to break into that high level consistency. Taking games isn't good enough!
(Insert Kage warrior spirit)
(Insert Kage warrior spirit)
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Gotem City Vigilante
Random tip: remember how important the direction you're holding when you jump is, both grounded and mid-air. This is important for increasing Ganon's mobility, as is jumping out of wd/wL. Aside from the vast importance of dash jumping, this also makes RLD easier. If you are already holding forward when you dj, your job is basically done. If you dj without holding forward, you'll have to hold forward longer to make up for it.
X WaNtEd X
Smash Lord
Yeah some weird stuff you guys should practice:
-Changing direction when you jump backwards
-Dashing backwards out of a crouch
-Changing direction when you jump backwards
-Dashing backwards out of a crouch
Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
only older southern ganondorfs would get this probably. he's still pretty ****ing good.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Yeah he's impressed me recently... I can't ever doubt either of shiz's brothers. What GF set is it referring to?
Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
tampa bi-weekly yesterday. he reset the bracket on me 3-2 and then i beat him 3-0 in the next set.
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Gotem City Vigilante
B!tchin. Sheik?
Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
he went all falco.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Oh word, good stuff. He looking like top 15 FL in your opinion?
Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
uhhhh somewhere around there yeah. in a year if he keeps on this grind of his then i can see him being top 10 in florida again ez.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Lol ever person in the top 20 is beast. Pretty sure we've got the strongest state now.
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
Well, you guys have hbox (top 5) and plup who I would give 6/7 in the world honestly... so just that right there is enough. Combined with all the other hidden bosses that rarely travel, I'd say it's a tough toss up between FL and SoCal.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Florida
Hbox
Plup
Colbol
gahtzu
Clay (porkchops)
Eikelmann/Linguini/spider_sense
Blea
Wizzrobe
(Hm: gravy esam zidane rice etc)
VERSUS
Cali
Mango
Lucky
westballz
PewpewU
Sfat
Fiction
Shroomed
MacD
Legggo!
Hbox
Plup
Colbol
gahtzu
Clay (porkchops)
Eikelmann/Linguini/spider_sense
Blea
Wizzrobe
(Hm: gravy esam zidane rice etc)
VERSUS
Cali
Mango
Lucky
westballz
PewpewU
Sfat
Fiction
Shroomed
MacD
Legggo!
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Fly would probably be there over Fiction, and I'd give Cali a solid advantage over Florida tbh. Florida could probably beat SoCal/NorCal separately though.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Correct on fly. S2j is a possibility too. Not so sure Cali has advantage though.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Does anyone remember at what frame uair and bair hitboxes emerge when fp? Basically I can't remember the jump startup frames. I think you can have a uair out on frame 11, and bair on frame 15, but I'm not sure.
I know jab is 3 and ftilt is 9.
I know jab is 3 and ftilt is 9.