Coastward
Smash Lord
been practicing side b and down b techchases, its really hard to pull off sometimes but its so satisfyinggg.
cmon big house come sooner.
cmon big house come sooner.
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Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread
- Thread starter Linguini
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Эикельманн [РУС]
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lol those are theories? old news imo
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Gotem City Vigilante
tip: for side-b you want to hit B the instant they hit the ground initially.
Coastward
Smash Lord
i was talking with kirbykaze and he told me to run forward a tad bit along with pressing b as they hit the ground.
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Gotem City Vigilante
You have to get used to the spacing. Sometimes you want to walk forward but not always. I wish those images were still up on my techchasing thread....
Renth
Smash Hero
Practicing SSBM with JRAD. www.twitch.tv/Lunacy_Renth come by guys, come talk some Ganondorf with me.
Linguini
Smash Master
Tell jewrad to hmu next time. prob gonna go to the fest on campus wednesday mark.
Jason saw the match vs hugs you need to airdodge less in yo recoveries imo. Also gotta slow your pace down sometimes cuz he was waiting for you without camping.
ah, ian I see you stole my anti mario tactics with the lightshield...dat green mario exp
Jason saw the match vs hugs you need to airdodge less in yo recoveries imo. Also gotta slow your pace down sometimes cuz he was waiting for you without camping.
ah, ian I see you stole my anti mario tactics with the lightshield...dat green mario exp
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Renth
Smash Hero
I'm working Wednesday but we def need to play
RedmanSSBM
Improving My Process
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Gotem City Vigilante
bro its tough. I know how to play the matchup safely, but I cant sneak in those hard reads always, so I lose. I usually take good puffs to game 3 though. if the puff is really gay in neutral and good at punishing ganon is fuqt.
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Renth
Smash Hero
Vs. Jigglypuff.
Stay away from her, zone her out. If she's in your face you are losing. Really good example of how good you can do if you keep jiggs out and also a really good example of how badly you get ***** if she gets close:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxUhtOw20BI
Stay away from her, zone her out. If she's in your face you are losing. Really good example of how good you can do if you keep jiggs out and also a really good example of how badly you get ***** if she gets close:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxUhtOw20BI
Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
lol that **** works so well vs the mario bros. had no idea you used to do that though. haven't seen another ganondorf do it before.
Linguini
Smash Master
Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
...we do so much of the same stuff. i never even noticed.
Renth
Smash Hero
I can dig it, definitely a piece of technology I don't use.
Superspright
Smash Lord
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Light-shield shenanigans are fun against a lot of the cast. It's a lot of fun to use it against Peach when she's at this wonky angle where she can't hit stage but has committed to ledge with the umbrella still open.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Well you are from FL, just like all the Falcos are similar the Ganons are as well.
I don't think it's that hard to see that especially when you were asking for a lot of advice back then.I had some fun comboing, dair into double hit nair into Fair yesterday. lol. It's too strong! 60% damage and they are off-stage guaranteed. Easy edgeguard after.
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Gotem City Vigilante
So much salt lol. Kage what if they decide to, you know, DI the nair? A sloth could hit up and away during ganon's slow nair, and the second hit will send them too far away to follow up, but wont send them far enough out so that you get an easy edgeguard.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
They can't DI it if I hit the nair from inside Ganon, they won't know where to DI.
That's why it's so good. Seeing a reverse upair is much more obvious then a nair.
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Эикельманн [РУС]
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uhhhh i wouldn't go that far. most falcos are absolutely not alike, and a majority of them just outright play like ****. if you can compare any other falco out there to the falcos in florida, i'd be very surprised.
and also, the only ganondorfs i'd say i'm similar to are renth and linguini. i've taken a lot from both of them. ganondorfs like bizz and spider sense are pretty fast as well, but in a completely different way. would probably say my style is faster overall.
I think he meant that the Florida Falcos all play similarly, a sort of regional Falco style.
Эикельманн [РУС]
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you right. that flew right by me. but ganondorf styles in florida are still radically different. rock crock plays different from spider sense, i play different from spider sense, spider sense plays different from renth. you can hardly compare the lot of us.
Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
summoning @
L
Linguini
and @spider_sense. let's discuss the merits of FD as a counterpick against falco and fox plz. @
Divinokage
and @
Bizzarro Flame
also share your opinions plz.
Divinokage
and @
Bizzarro Flame
also share your opinions plz.
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Gotem City Vigilante
if both hits of the nair hit, literally all they have to do is hold away and up from where your are facing and you don't get a followup or an edgeguard. it matters only which way YOU are facing. If you hit them backwards and only get the first hit of the nair, you can follow up but it's not easy (you obviously can't jump forward, land the nair, knock them backwards, and still follow up that easily). No plan to cover every option involves nair.They can't DI it if I hit the nair from inside Ganon, they won't know where to DI.
Also how is "reverse uair" (turnaround uair) obvious? Do you think people are counting frames and seeing that 1-frame pivot, and saying "ok he's going to uair"? Lmao. uair is the fastest aerial....
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Эикельманн [РУС]
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Gotem City Vigilante
Yeah bro. taking a break haha
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I don't know but I've been successful incorporating into my game within all the other aerials Ganon has. It creates doubts in people's mind then they won't know where to go. If I get only 1 hit reversed then I usually am able to get a follow-up right after. They also almost always land on the platform after Nair from 0 which is extremely good as well. All I really know is that no one has perfect DI in this game so you can absolutely abuse these DI traps instead of knowing exactly how to DI Ganon's moves.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
All I have for FD is that **** FD for all matchups, I cannot play that stage and it should be banned.summoning @ L Linguini and @spider_sense. let's discuss the merits of FD as a counterpick against falco and fox plz. @
Эикельманн [РУС]
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thanks, very deep. this helps a lot.
best ganondorf in the world right here, everyone.
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Gotem City Vigilante
The only things that create doubts in peoples' minds are clever mixups. If you nair all the time, people will learn how to deal with it (at least in FLORIDA!) Lol.
Эикельманн [РУС]
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dave you should respond to my fd post
Bizzarro Flame
Smash Lord
I'm only going to talk about Falco. I think this stage isn't as bad against Falco as Ganon mains make it out to be. A lot of Falco's combos are reliant on platforms as well as Ganon combos. I believe that Ganon capitalizes harder on such a stage because each of his moves do massive amount of damage anyways. As long as you know how to powershield and jump over lasers, you should be safe against Falco's linear approach. Edgeguarding should be simple because of the lack of platforms for Falco. As Ganon, you should definitely utilize wavelands and wavedashes out of shield for full mobility against a like-wise slow char of Falco.summoning @ L Linguini and @spider_sense. let's discuss the merits of FD as a counterpick against falco and fox plz. @
Эикельманн [РУС]
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how come you won't discuss fox? :b
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Gotem City Vigilante
That is my general opinion basically. But I do believe this: against fox, and especially falco, the way you and jason (and emilio the pioneer) fight falco works well on FD (not saying FD is "good" vs fox). Being in falco's face, using well timed jabs and careful tilts. heavy grab game. heavy techchase game. The best techchaser will love FD. The worst one (or someone that cant get grabs) will hate it.
It took the community a long time as a whole to see that ganon vs falco on YS isn't great for ganon. Sure, YS is great for Ganon, but it's better for falco. Platforms are great for ganon, but they're great for fox and falco too. Once falco is at 70% (fox 90%) on FD a grab should be certain death.
People need to play on it more. In general I'd say FD is better than FoD/PS for fox/falco FoD wouldn't be so bad if techchasing with fair was possible more often, and PS is only ****ty because of transformations.
edit: Well said Mr Yoon.
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Coastward
Smash Lord
finally started to SDI shines today, feels good. also, should i be rolling away from pressure with c-stick? my friend brought up something about that today but it slipped my mind.
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Renth
Smash Hero
I really like FD in zoning match ups ; Ganondorf, Marth, Jiggs ect
I hate FD against fast fallers ; Falcon, Fox, Falco ect.
I hate FD against fast fallers ; Falcon, Fox, Falco ect.
Coastward
Smash Lord
why not fastfallers? wouldnt it make getting combos out of techchases easier?
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Gotem City Vigilante
fastfallers are also fast/strong approachers. You have to be very reactive and on point.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I never play on that stage, i despise it and so I'm not qualified to talk about it.
Linguini
Smash Master
Merits? It's really dependent on your playstyle. If you're all about guaranteed setups and techasing like dave said you will like it. It's not particularly good for ganon. I actually prefer stadium over fd against fox. Because I love those platform heights for quick waveland approaches. Ganon can corner falco much easier than fox. That's just how it is. And I don't want to see anymore ganons getting hit by full jump nairs...uair that ****!