I'll go at it again but i;m telling you its not working.. its epic fail 
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Guide How To Raise The Kutest Boozer
- Thread starter KevinM
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GoldenGlove
Smash Ace
Maybe it's something that's version-specific, like Link's superjump glitch?
Thats what i was thinking as well, what version do you have
ohpistachios
Smash Apprentice
so what's the deal with listing all the ssbm terms at the beginning of every character guide? i never understood the reasoning behind that.
anyways, sweet guide.
it'd be nice if you made the sections more easily distinguishable tho. i like how you bolded some of the character names in the matchup part to make em easier to find. that sorta thing would be useful for the whole guide.
also a nice tidbit to add about the dsmash is how it can sorta spike people if they get caught under it when theyre recovering (like if youre dsmashing at the edge of battlefield and someone comes up from underneath).
i actually think dsmash is kinda underrated overall. not that this particular part of it is all that useful, but since it sorta sucks people in its just generally a handy move to punish mistakes and rack up damage.
anyways, sweet guide.
it'd be nice if you made the sections more easily distinguishable tho. i like how you bolded some of the character names in the matchup part to make em easier to find. that sorta thing would be useful for the whole guide.
also a nice tidbit to add about the dsmash is how it can sorta spike people if they get caught under it when theyre recovering (like if youre dsmashing at the edge of battlefield and someone comes up from underneath).
i actually think dsmash is kinda underrated overall. not that this particular part of it is all that useful, but since it sorta sucks people in its just generally a handy move to punish mistakes and rack up damage.
KingJiggyWiggy
Smash Lord
How do you tell what version it is?
At pistachio.. I think its just if you have a newer player they will be able to read up on the basic terms and join quickly.. and its cleaned up a lot now guys so you can read it easily 
i actually think the dsmash is an incredibly OVERRATED move
ESPECIALLY as an edgeguard, what a HORRIBLE edgeguarding move ugh unless they are at a high % where they will die from it its just not worth it ew bair or ftilt or something that will actually kill them people lol
ESPECIALLY as an edgeguard, what a HORRIBLE edgeguarding move ugh unless they are at a high % where they will die from it its just not worth it ew bair or ftilt or something that will actually kill them people lol
THE D SMASH IS **** SAUCE.... haha
I thought gimpy might be commenting the guide but as usual he is just correcting people
I thought gimpy might be commenting the guide but as usual he is just correcting people
NES n00b
Smash Master
I have tried it and it works. I also have the first version so I do not know about the others.
KingJiggyWiggy
Smash Lord
Hmmm we need all the new tricks we can get. Us Bowsers have got it bad.
Somebody please help Kev verify this. I would like the technique that I invented on the Bowser guide.
Somebody please help Kev verify this. I would like the technique that I invented on the Bowser guide.
DarkKnight077
Smash Lord
You know using Fortress from a platform like Battle field to the edge makes an instant grabbing from the edge if done correctly. >.> I picked up because I was fooling around as well as..a good edge guard how? Simple drop down from the edge Up-B and presto. >.> Doesn't realllllyyy work but it was a nice try. D:
KingJiggyWiggy
Smash Lord
"if done correctly"
Those are the magic words. You have to TRY to get it right. But with my technique it eliminates the purpose of actually trying at all.
Those are the magic words. You have to TRY to get it right. But with my technique it eliminates the purpose of actually trying at all.
ohpistachios
Smash Apprentice
yeah i guess with bowser youre better off goin for the proper edgeguard pretty much every time. but in a situation where i've just downthrown someone and i anticipate them rolling back into me, i dont really see how dsmashing is a bad decision, particularly if theyre at low percents.
it has such a wide hitbox you're pretty much guaranteed to suck em in no matter what character they are, and youre also guaranteed a good 20% or so at least.
maybe i just like dsmash too much, but it seems to me like it can be used usefully in situations like those.
as a techchase dsmash is fair, but dashdance regrab tends to be better because you can continue to play, unless of course you are at high % then you just dsmash and they die haha
Haha thanks Caotic..
People try KingJiggly's fortress thing, someone verify if this works cause i can't get it to work at all!
People try KingJiggly's fortress thing, someone verify if this works cause i can't get it to work at all!
isn't that the verification that no, it does NOT work? lol
KingJiggyWiggy
Smash Lord
It does work. Have YOU tried it? I can't beleive somebody who is at a higher level than me can't even get it to work. Now are you facing backwards or not? Maybe if you watch your hands you might see if your doing it wrong or not.
Just because you didn't know this doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Or do you? You guys do know how to hold out on us afterall and don't tell all of the techniques.
Just because you didn't know this doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Or do you? You guys do know how to hold out on us afterall and don't tell all of the techniques.
maybe it doens't work because based on the games mechanics that doesn't make any sense, show us a video of you doing it from multiple distances going full speed off the ledge and then i'll bother actually attempting it, for now i haven't tried because honestly it doesn't make sense that it would work, holding UP doesn't make you fall any slower, and holding away doesn't give you more time to grab, neither one reduces momentum in any way, so this shoudn't work based on the games mechanics.
... yep it doesn't work..
DarkKnight077
Smash Lord
I tired it..it really doesn't work.
The platform fortesshogging does work though. Only thing is..don't like go too far otherwise you will miss the edge.
The platform fortesshogging does work though. Only thing is..don't like go too far otherwise you will miss the edge.
thats the exact same concept as a normal fortress cancel haha
DarkKnight077
Smash Lord
Yes it is. Only from a platform.
KingJiggyWiggy
Smash Lord
Ok I'm going to a biweekly this saturday and hopefully they will let me record this and I will be able to demonstrate this technique in person to other people. Until then I don't have a video.
Yea and until then.. it doesn't work.. and after that.. it doesn't work
well the physics of the game disagree with you unless you are refering to a very specific distance away or movement speed
basically what you are saying is you can fortress cancel on ANY stage from ANY distance (as long as you'll go off of course ;p) at ANY speed if you hold the control stick correctly.
it simply doesn't make any sense
basically what you are saying is you can fortress cancel on ANY stage from ANY distance (as long as you'll go off of course ;p) at ANY speed if you hold the control stick correctly.
it simply doesn't make any sense
KingJiggyWiggy
Smash Lord
Lol this whole game doesn't make sense.
It can be done on any stage at any ledge (that you can grab of course). I have to double check the distance and I have to double check if it can be done at a rising angle (so far it can be done on a flat edge, and for a lowering angle you can just move straight to it as you already know).
It can be done on any stage at any ledge (that you can grab of course). I have to double check the distance and I have to double check if it can be done at a rising angle (so far it can be done on a flat edge, and for a lowering angle you can just move straight to it as you already know).
actually the physics make sense in most cases...
kingjiggywiggy the ONLY reason we are making this into a big deal is because based on what you said you were implying that you can go off at any speed from any distance, is that what you are saying, or are you saying that at a specific distance you can hold the directions like this and cancel?
because if its the 2nd one, everyone already knows how to do a timed fortress cancel. otherwise, it doesn't make any sense, and tahts why we disagree.
kingjiggywiggy the ONLY reason we are making this into a big deal is because based on what you said you were implying that you can go off at any speed from any distance, is that what you are saying, or are you saying that at a specific distance you can hold the directions like this and cancel?
because if its the 2nd one, everyone already knows how to do a timed fortress cancel. otherwise, it doesn't make any sense, and tahts why we disagree.
NES n00b
Smash Master
Didn't anybody read my last post. What Wiggly describing works in my version (version 1), but I am not sure of the others.
I was definitely not missed.
Edit: It's at any distance, too. Maybe I should try it again on other stages. I did it on FoD and Battlefield.
KingJiggyWiggy
Smash Lord
Ok if I go to the biweekly this saturday than I will hopefully get a demonstration in. If not than I will show me doing it in a match.
I found out more stuff after trying it.
-Yes it can be done at any speed.
-It can be foreword too! But you must be close to the edge to do it foreword (not too far not too close). I'm going to double check the distance on this one.
-It can be done on any edge and it doesn't matter whether the edge is flat, ascends, or descends. But if it descends than you can just hold horizontal anyway.
I found out more stuff after trying it.
-Yes it can be done at any speed.
-It can be foreword too! But you must be close to the edge to do it foreword (not too far not too close). I'm going to double check the distance on this one.
-It can be done on any edge and it doesn't matter whether the edge is flat, ascends, or descends. But if it descends than you can just hold horizontal anyway.
DarkKnight077
Smash Lord
Anyways. Yohsi vs Bowser? I need some help yo.
Edit: Probably not the best place to post.
Edit: Probably not the best place to post.
Look i'm done arguing with you...
Vids or GTFO K?
Vids or GTFO K?
KingJiggyWiggy
Smash Lord
Gtfo? Thats kinda disrepectful.
I couldn't get a vid. there were no recordings. But go ask Simna Ibn Sind. I taught him how to do it and he is my proof as of now.
I couldn't get a vid. there were no recordings. But go ask Simna Ibn Sind. I taught him how to do it and he is my proof as of now.
Well you have a page of arguing on my guide about how a techinque works, with no proof, just cause "people can do it" doesn't mean it works until we can see it.. so i don't feel like having my guide spammed up with useless chatter.. do something productive and go and get a video instead of every post saying. "You must be doing it wrong, it works"
If it works and you have proof then i will gladly credit you, and you've made a valued discovery, but until then its not worth arguing over and i want the guide spamming to stop
If it works and you have proof then i will gladly credit you, and you've made a valued discovery, but until then its not worth arguing over and i want the guide spamming to stop
all i've said is logically it makes no sense so i haven't even tried it lol
Hey thats wicked cool dude *thumbs up* >_>
u didnt mention that nair can hit spotdodgerz
so u can like mix up ur game wit klawz and nairz depending on what they try 2 do (punish em for shielding wit da klaw, punish em for spotdodging wit tha nair)
itz alright man as an expert bowser i understand that itz hard for novice bowserz such as urself to understand these complex tacticz
so u can like mix up ur game wit klawz and nairz depending on what they try 2 do (punish em for shielding wit da klaw, punish em for spotdodging wit tha nair)
itz alright man as an expert bowser i understand that itz hard for novice bowserz such as urself to understand these complex tacticz
i still haven't read this guide yet but yeah, you gotta talk about the nair and mixin up the airs mate haha