kackamee
Smash Master
^ All hail Delta
Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!
You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!
you lost to gunblades random wolf... -.- and that is ONE of MANY hard counters. LOLI know the Wolf MU too well to be gayed by it. There's only one MU I'm not currently confident in, and I'm getting people to help me with it.
And I play Yoshi because I fit the character well. I feel very natural when playing him, so I do. He also doesn't do too bad vs. Top tiers in comparison to many other characters, despite his low tier placement.
By mastered, I've meant recently. I feel EXTREMELY confident about the Wolf MU nowadays. There are only a few people who's Wolf I believe can beat me at this point. Gunblade's shouldn't win again.you lost to gunblades random wolf... -.- and that is ONE of MANY hard counters. LOL
he doesnt do bad vs top tiers because the top tier mains dont know what to do.
yoshi vs mk is beyond awful. you have nothing other than egg lay which is god hard to space unless you want to stale usmash. you can jump over it or something but then your above mk lol.
yoshi vs snake people for some reason is only slightly in snakes favor or something. like ive played it from both side, yoshi does fine if snake doesnt know what to do, and in all honesty if snake makes mistakes he can get gayed but its like 65/35
yoshi vs diddy is awful. i dont think i need to explain why >_>. GL with draconic reverse shenanigans that dont matter over bananas when i can just push buttons.
eggs.... because im going to do a melee move when youre in projectile range.Yoshi vs. MK, we have eggs, Pivot Grab, and Usmash. That's about all the relatively safe stuff. Egg lay for landing, possibly. Uair if we catch you in an egg trap. Past the first 3 moves, it's all about maintaining momentum and staying safe. It's not beyond awful, because what I've said is VERY possible to do. No, it's not even, but it's not a "lol get *****" battle.
ehhh. i dont really agree on yoshi outcamping snake completely, but in all honesty it doesnt matter. all of your options to getting snake off the ground are balls unsafe and your risk reward ratio in comparison to his is awful. you cant kill him without uair until like 200% lmao i dont really see that being easy.Snake is SO easy, I don't know what you're talking about. We out camp Snake, and he has NO option to Uair. None. He's way too easy to juggle and keep off balance. I'd say it's 45:55, and only because Snake is an absolute monster to kill because he's so **** heavy.
bananas are so safe its almost sad. yoshi's best options against them are in the air, which is also bad. your cg sucks and does like 2%. you get banana locked for like 50%. banana locks end in death at high percent. cgs end in like a fthrow lolI won't comment on Diddy because I'm not too certain on the MU. The only practice I have on it is against Xionix back at Wiegraf, where we went even, against Kai, whom I lost to, and ADHD. I'm certain that it's not terrible, but it's certainly not good.
You're the exact same way with Fox.And continues the agruement keep away from the original meaning of the thread.....why does this remind me of something? If you REALLY feel that strong about Yoshi's MUs and them being wrong, take it with Yoshis, in the Yoshi Boards, not here.
Really? Well even if I am. I would like to try and keep out of important threads. Sorry if I have done something like that thoughYou're the exact same way with Fox.
Jesus, I would think after playing this game for 2 years, you'd know how to space. disregard that i suck *****.I realized shortly after reading this, that I have no idea how to play this game.
In fact, I had no idea how Fighters work.
I have begun, as of yesterday, learning how to actually space. And play this game.
I have begun to learn how Fighters work.
Every win I ever got, and every stock I ever took, is because either my opponents knew just as little, or they were humouring my capabilities for the sake of a safer, more stabilized position in the endgame. Once again, I defer to Napoleonic wisdom on which of those propositions to accept.
Now that I have begun to learn how this game works, I can bring the proper mindset to games with Human opponents.
It seems that every post I ever made, of a tactical nature or concerning matchups, was at best serendipitously true, and otherwise made of bull****. In my defense, this is due to incompetence, not negligence.
It also seems that everything I ever thought about myself as a player, is wrong. Now that I am thinking the right way about games in Fighters, I *do* feel nervous (when previously I had not), I do lose focus, I do miss free opportunities, and I do have a novice's reaction time.
It wasn't this thread itself which did it, but it caused me to do something which did it - realize what I know about Fighter games, that is. For completely turning my last refuge, Fighter gaming, upside-down, inside-out, and color-inverted, Pierce, I give you my utmost gratitude.
It boggles my mind how very little anything in any part of these united forums (without restricted access as far as I know, of course) has ever said about the metagame, and how easily the bridge between novices and reigning professionals can be built, with the start of one extension of a hand. (Though it's not an easy bridge to cross.)
I like to read the next portion. Pierce could you take a guess and let us all know when you think the next update will be.I'm not going to NOT update the thread at all just because I have school, lol. I'll just put more effort into it when I get free time.
The next thing I'm going to talk about is baiting, and high level reading/punishing, including the primary reads in Brawl which are jumps and airdodges.
Pierce updates it whenever he has free time. So, there is no set date.How often are the updates going to be?
I would really love to read that. Also, why did you post at 5 in the morning?I'm not going to NOT update the thread at all just because I have school, lol. I'll just put more effort into it when I get free time.
The next thing I'm going to talk about is baiting, and high level reading/punishing, including the primary reads in Brawl which are jumps and airdodges.
I assure you, he definitely WILL update this.lame I don't expect another update then piece is good for that.
I'll believe it when I see it. I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you.I assure you, he definitely WILL update this.
*shudder*why does this matter?
but irregardless
you cant "prefer" to play zelda offensively. she cant camp at all, so she will be forced by someone who wants to win to approach.
Well that's what I meant when I said his options weren't the best, but I was specifically thinking of the Falco matchup; unfortunately he can outcamp Olimar so when I'm forced to approach this could come in handy as a mixup.Olimar doesn't Dash -> Shield, because Olimar shouldn't be approaching, like ever, lol. He camps the whole match, and counters the tactic with grabs and Pivot grabs. However, his weakness of low priority coupled with a slower grab counters the normal zoning game he has. Fortunately, purple toss keeps Olimar from sucking, so his Metagame is very different.
I don't define 10th on the tier list as bad; he'd be better described as borderline viable, with a lot of effort required. And I know you're not an english wizard lol, I wasn't trying to say anything about you as a person; that word has just always rubbed me the wrong way. I don't mind if you use it, I simply had to vent my frustration at it's existinghttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...s&sa=X&ei=Uw0VTJDrA4T58AaIq5G2Cg&ved=0CBUQkAE
sorry im not some magical english person vocal lmao. either way you play olimar, whos bad so enjoy
Thanks for the advice (this is something I've been considering for a counter), and this will work fine unless someone counterpicks a Falco against my Olimar; there are better counters, but perhaps the other player would not be a player of them, in which case I should be prepared. And I'm just assuming you only meant play MK against Falco; abandoning a character simply because he's not the best seems a bit...well, devoid of soul to me. True, this is a game and people play it to win, but I think I've found a good balance. I actually happen to like Olimar, and he's in a position that's not entirely advantageous, but it can be worked with. I fully understand that there are easier paths out there and Olimar iz B tire s0 he'z n0 gud, but I can live with that and still be happy.Just play mk.
Anyway, Pierce I cannot wait for the next update.