How do you feel about your SSBM's buffs/nerfs in Brawl?

[Blistering Speed]

Im a Pikachu main so I can hardly complain, middle to possible high tier FTW. Seriously, buffed F Smash, D Smash, Thunder, F Air and B Air along with Quick Attack Cancel...woo!

Btw IMO the most buffed and nerfed were:
Buffed: GAW Honourable mention: Zelda and Luigi
Nerfed: CF Honourable mention: Peach and M2 <---- Srsly

 

[Deleted member]

everybody that shouldnt of been nerfed got nerfed, and everybody that got buffed shouldnt of been buffed

 

[Blistering Speed]

Erm, give me some examples apart from Marth, Yoshi and DK.

 

[ShadowLink84]

SoLink didn't deserve a buff and neither did Bowser?

Sheik eneded nerfing and Marth needed it and so did Fox.

 

[Darkwolfg]

they relly nerfed ganons speed and he now has a gay run. luigi, horrible side smash. they did however balence fox nicely except for his up b

 

[Blistering Speed]

ShadowLink...Link was Mid tier and still is, Boozer has been buffed (a fair amount), Read my second Post regarding Marth and .... Shiek and Fox were both nerfed. Fox not so much but Shiek lost quite abit.

 

[WhiteWingDemon]

They nerfed Samus badly. In my opinion she gets worse in every single game. I used to main her but now, ugh.

 

[DiasFlac]

They nerfed Samus badly. In my opinion she gets worse in every single game. I used to main her but now, ugh.

I agree I don't like how much they nerfed Samus. x.x I think they could of made her Forward Smash and back kick her kill moves. Not just her back kick (and the spike of course)

I also think Peach was nerfed to much but she still pwns you just have to play her a different way. (I also think she gets KO'd to fast)

 

[FluxCapacitor]

Marth: Hard to compete with the beast that was Melee Marth. He is different in Brawl; not better or worse.

DK: I believe he got one of, if not the, biggest buff from Melee. His back air is absolutely incredible; possible the only move he needs.

Zelda: Much stronger than Melee's version of Zelda. Can compete with just about anyone, especially in the camping scene with her Over-B and B move.

CF: Oh, mine sweet Douglas J. Falcon. How the mighty have fallen. In my opinion, was the most fun, balanced, and skill-based character in Melee. A proper use could turn CF into a killing machine. Now, with the new game mechanics and a severely nerfed air game, The Captain is but a remnant of his once glorious self.

Link and Samus: Tied for worst worst returning characters. For how powerful swords and ranged abilities are in Brawl, Link just gives both swords and range a bad name.

Mario: Some say he is worse because of the lack of combos. I actually think he is better, and can indeed still combo. His D-air is very good, and the rest of his moves constitute a solid repertoire.

Luigi: Although he lacks the wavedashing supremacy from melee, he is still a strong character, mostly because of the lack of any lag after any of his air moves. His Down-B is also a solid approach method.

Pikachu: I didn't think he was very good in Melee, and I do think he is great in Brawl, so that accounts for a significant buff. Camps well, and has a strong, unique close game.

GW: Probably runner up for best returner, GW recieved substantial power over his former self. Screw the parachute; fishbowl is a great move.

Kirby: Another honorable mention for most buffed, Kirby now presents a threat to most other characters.

That's it as far as my experience goes.

 

[Crizthakidd]

link got semi nerfed semi buffed, lucario beats mewtwo

but yea everyoens bair and recover got buffed

 

[Deleted member]

Nerf

Link - my vote for bottom tier (I main him btw) everything is wrong with him, range, speed, recovery, strength
DK - no l cancelling is terrible
Ganon - same as DK
Samus - projectiles are terrible
CF - wtf is with the knee??

Buff

Pikachu - with the ability to stun people with lighting attacks, pikachu will pull a ssb64 and be top tier
Kirby - his dair kills at 0%...

 

[FrostByte]

Pikachu got nerfed as well as buffed. His Dsmash and Thunder got upgrades, but everything else is the same or worse.

His fair is a good approach, but cannot be autocancel'd because it hits too high. That means you have to wait before you attack with it. Other than that, all his other moves got nerfed. Upsmash is weak, uair got nerfed, bair is pathetic now. Nair is very situational.

Sheik is still beastly, just obviously not as beastly as she used to be. Her downgrades are pretty obvious due to the game mechanics. Poor grab game for every character.

 

[Kai_]

everybody that shouldnt of been nerfed got nerfed, and everybody that got buffed shouldnt of been buffed

Well Pikachu and Kirby had every right to be buffed. One can say they are just returning to their top forms(as they were in 64).

I'm also a Pika main and I'm loving his thunder ^_^

 

[Illussionary]

I'm kinda mad about the nerfs Samus and Sheik got =(

 

[ShadowLink84]

ShadowLink...Link was Mid tier and still is, Boozer has been buffed (a fair amount), Read my second Post regarding Marth and .... Shiek and Fox were both nerfed. Fox not so much but Shiek lost quite abit.

Re read my post.
It was in response to the person above who said characters that didn't deserve buffs were buffed.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Marth: Hard to compete with the beast that was Melee Marth. He is different in Brawl; not better or worse.

Range was reduced.
tipper was buffed.
Recovery was nerfed/
he is slightly worse than melee but still beastly.

DK: I believe he got one of, if not the, biggest buff from Melee. His back air is absolutely incredible; possible the only move he needs.

That's funny.
Bair is not enough to save him from everything.
Dk punch got nerfed.
his down B was buffed.
he received a good amount of buffs but he still has a lack of speed that makes him vulnerable.
as wel as slow aerials other than the Bair.

Zelda: Much stronger than Melee's version of Zelda. Can compete with just about anyone, especially in the camping scene with her Over-B and B move.

side B is a good move but not good for camping since anyone can get past it.
over B is better moee than before but not great for camping since you have a decent cooltime before you can atttack.

Link and Samus: Tied for worst worst returning characters. For how powerful swords and ranged abilities are in Brawl, Link just gives both swords and range a bad name.

Link has one of the better ranged games.
Gale boomerang means he can bring his opponent close and his bombs have alot more knock back and killing power making them good for edge guarding.
His arrows shoot alot faster and charge more quickly.
He is slightly faster and his Ftilt got a boost.
Recovery and spin attack was nerfed which hurts him badly.

His main issue is the fact he cannot combo or approach very well.
Which means while he can be hard to approach he has no way of getting close to the enemy without them coming to him and cannot combo them to do great damage.


Itisn't that Link was nerfed badly, but due to the lack of hitstun it makes comboing with lInk very difficult and his recovery is crap. He just has little to no offensive ability that can make use f which is what hurts him despite the fact that he was buffed.
If this were melee and Link had the buffs he did he would actually do much better than in the last game.

Samus is definitely the worse since Link was actually buffed this time around and she was nerfed badly.

 

[Rash]

Crikey. The way people complain about Samus, you'd think she was borderline unplayable. She was mid-tier in Melee and she's still that way. Her missiles are toned down; that's about it.

 

[Negative Zero]

Mario lost his tornado. That hurts. I've killed myself numerous times by pulling out FLUDD as I neared the stage. Luigi, on the other hand, now has a tornado that actually lets him recover without hitting the B button sixteen times a second.

 

[Shaman]

LOL @ samus, sakurai pissed all over her, she is Terrible compared to her former glory, her and falcon, two of my fave chars, they are just bad, nothing changed about either of them can be seen as positive,
I even feel their models look too big and goofy, i mean sure logically a suit like samus's would be pretty big, but the slender look from melee worked well for her, and the change, i don't think its all that positive... same with shiek. lol maybe its not that they are worse, maybe its just that they are bigger, and its made them terrible. lol

 

[Wolfang]

How do I feel? Slightly miserable, but refreshed.

I mean, they killed Samus, can you say botched stratagem...
And Falco is lighter, and its harder to spike...

But I actually don't mind that much. It just means I have to relearn the game a bit. I had to give up a good character, but I gained 2 others that I'm good with, so I'm not really gonna complain, just adapt and move on.

R.I.Pieces, Samus.

 

[Kai_]

Mario lost his tornado. That hurts. I've killed myself numerous times by pulling out FLUDD as I neared the stage. Luigi, on the other hand, now has a tornado that actually lets him recover without hitting the B button sixteen times a second.

You're right about the recovery, but Mario's tornado is just the Dair.

 

[FalconPunch]

I used to play Ganondorf and Captain Falcon in Melee, now I play G&W, Pikachu and Zelda in Brawl.That should tell you enough.

 

[Steck]

Game and Watch- life is awesome with sunshine and cute bunnies
Gannondorf- a dark pit of despair from witch few can escape

yeah...As a G&W main I was really happy but gannon got nerfed

oh and even though he's exactly the same quality I don't main Marth anymore for some reason he feels different.

 

[crosser43]

everyone weep for falcon, took his metagame, and his dignity, hes not the same
him and samus, ****, they both got neutered

 

[Conda]

I used to play Ganondorf and Captain Falcon in Melee, now I play G&W, Pikachu and Zelda in Brawl.That should tell you enough.

That you're a tier *****?
lol

 

[KevinM]

I like that they took Bowser's limited ability to combo in Melee, and COMPLETELY took it away.

Bowser is still bad in Brawl.

 

[Revolutionary1804]

CF got it bad
tyler hansborough really got nerfed just look at him against kansas. he suckkss only got player of year cuz he is white.
besides that pikachu is raw
and bowser got buffed as well besides that nobody else matters.

 

[BreakBones]

i maaaiined captaain falcooon...... and i have to say..it hurts

 

[Dark Sonic]

I feel that the brawl system in general nerfed most of the melee characters. It reduced comboability, negated on stage edgeguarding completely, ect. That toppled with some of the nerfs is what destroyed those characters (Captain Falcon got the worst. He was so combo oriented and they took that away)

I think Marth got off the best out of all the nerfed characters. I dare say that his buffs actually counteract his nerfs, because if they had left Marth exactly the same he would've done really poorly due to the new physics. Less hitstun means no combos to rack up damage (which they fixed by buffing his side B). Auto sweetspot and floatier mechanics means less gimp kills (which they fixed by making almost all of his moves kill moves when tipped.) Overall I think his game just went through a style change, not a nerf really.

Kirby and Pikachu got fixed really well, and Ness is okay now (not his 64 self, but he's okay)

Samus and Gannondorf did not need nerfing, but they did it anyway.

Link needed a buff, and I believe that statistically, he did get a buff. The problem is that the new physics nerfed him much more than the buffs he recieved. He can't combo, he's not fast enough to approach, his projectiles aren't good enough to out camp people, and his recovery isn't good. If we were to take this Link and Slap him in melee he'd do so much better.

Bowser. He got buffed, but it wasn't that big of a buff. He really didn't get that much better, and I think he'll still be low tier.

Game and Watch-omg I love what they did with Game and Watch. His bair wears down shields, his uair has that cool wind effect, his nair covers his sides now, his bucket is uber powerful, and overall I think he's got more range on his moves. His f-smash and D-smash got better (I'm not too sure about his up smash) and his up B can be canceld into attacks. Best buff I've seen.

 

[zPhoenixExz]

Marth/Fox/Falco: Not nearly enough nerfs
CF: A bit too many nerfs.
Peach: Too many nerfs.
Sheik: Just right.

 

[crosser43]

zelda=biggest buff
CF,samus tied=biggest nerf

 

[Uncle Fitzy]

Marth: Hard to compete with the beast that was Melee Marth. He is different in Brawl; not better or worse.

DK: I believe he got one of, if not the, biggest buff from Melee. His back air is absolutely incredible; possible the only move he needs.

Zelda: Much stronger than Melee's version of Zelda. Can compete with just about anyone, especially in the camping scene with her Over-B and B move.

CF: Oh, mine sweet Douglas J. Falcon. How the mighty have fallen. In my opinion, was the most fun, balanced, and skill-based character in Melee. A proper use could turn CF into a killing machine. Now, with the new game mechanics and a severely nerfed air game, The Captain is but a remnant of his once glorious self.

Link and Samus: Tied for worst worst returning characters. For how powerful swords and ranged abilities are in Brawl, Link just gives both swords and range a bad name.

Mario: Some say he is worse because of the lack of combos. I actually think he is better, and can indeed still combo. His D-air is very good, and the rest of his moves constitute a solid repertoire.

Luigi: Although he lacks the wavedashing supremacy from melee, he is still a strong character, mostly because of the lack of any lag after any of his air moves. His Down-B is also a solid approach method.

Pikachu: I didn't think he was very good in Melee, and I do think he is great in Brawl, so that accounts for a significant buff. Camps well, and has a strong, unique close game.

GW: Probably runner up for best returner, GW recieved substantial power over his former self. Screw the parachute; fishbowl is a great move.

Kirby: Another honorable mention for most buffed, Kirby now presents a threat to most other characters.

That's it as far as my experience goes.

I disagree about DK. I mained him in Melee and as far as I can tell he has been nerfed out the ***.

 

[Fugue]

I used to main Samus, Ganondorf, and Pichu (for laughs).
That's really all I have to say on the matter.

 

[swim2007]

As a luigi main in melee i have to say that luigi has received some usefull buffs but also a few key nerfs:

buffs

-tornado can be used to recover
-very little lag after his attacks
-he needs slightly more damage for him to be ko'd

nerfs

-side air (karate chop), OMG I used to use this move to consistently ko in melee now that is almost impossible
-with tripping, luigis low traction really hurts him
-down smash, the move has been nerfed and now is not very usefull for ko'ing

Overall i am not too happy with some of these major nerfs.... what do u guys think

 

[hippochinfat!!]

I mained Luigi in melee but he's so boring to play now because of no wavedash.

I love what they did to Donkey Kong and my 3rd main, Pichu isn't in Brawl.

 

[JNS]

ice climbers got nerfed badly- No wavedash, nerfed smashes, and the physics of brawl make them a charachter that has an even more obscene learning curve than melee plus makes them way too dependent on grabs

 

[Waddle]

I like Melee more.

 

[screeddie]

Falcon's nerfs really depress me. I've seen a few decent Falcons online but... no. If I was a CF main I'd Falcon Punch my Wii.

 

[screeddie]

Falcon's nerfs really depress me. I've seen a few decent Falcons online but... no. If I was a CF main I'd Falcon Punch my Wii.

 

[M.K]

Link, although I have no affiliation with him, is garbage. Same goes for Ganondorf and Bowser (still).