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How do you feel about your SSBM's buffs/nerfs in Brawl?
- Thread starter Blistering Speed
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Christova
Smash Cadet
I mained Zelda all throughout Melee while everyone was circle jerking around Sheik, Marth, and Fox, and I'm glad that Zelda is so much better in Brawl. Side B is now definitely one of the best projectiles in the game, along with Pit's arrows. The hitboxes for fair and bair are still weird, but with practice it isn't too hard to sweetspot them.
HiIH
Smash Lord
I'm pretty angry about Link.
He really didn't get that much of a speedboost, other than his D-tilt, which is near useless without crouch cancelling, and is hard to meteor anyone because of that **** autosweetspotting.
His Up+B is incredibly weak compared to melee AND 64, and is pretty much barely as strong as the melee fully charged. His Dair is all but unusable, solely because of the horrendous lag, and the Uair is alot harder to hit with while avoiding lag. Actually, both are harder to hit with because of a **** DECREASED HITBOX.
Fair sucks now. Stronger hit on the second blow sucks, as they rarely combo with one another. Bair got MARGINALLY better. Hardly even a buff, other than the knockback on the second hit. Ftilt is still really slow, and is useless as an edgeguard. Utilt still has a nice large hitbox. To bad the hit stun in brawl makes it completely useless to combo. Fsmash didn't change to much, though it's a little laggier, and the reach actually feels kind of decreased. Usmash actually got a buff. I'm happy with it. Nair is ok.
His projectiles and spaced clawshot in the air with the auto cancel is pretty much his only redeeming feature, as he can camp with the best of them. To bad he's so slow he has a difficult time getting a good killing hit on someone.
Oh, did I mention his PISS POOR RECOVERY!? The ability to grapple walls/DI your Up+B is sorely missed.
Gale Boomerang is often over rated. It's sometimes decent enough to pull someone in for two dsmash hits. Other than that the push/pull isn't too useful. Bombs are nice. Arrows are fast.
Samus did get an undeserved nerf. You can't even blame the physics for it to much. It's just her.
Ganon got an undeserved nerf. Not only did he become a worse character, he now looks ********.
Still won't Leave Link though, although I'll more than likely play Diddy and Olimar equally now, since I have nothing to compare them to to feel dissapointed about.
Charizard right behind them.
He really didn't get that much of a speedboost, other than his D-tilt, which is near useless without crouch cancelling, and is hard to meteor anyone because of that **** autosweetspotting.
His Up+B is incredibly weak compared to melee AND 64, and is pretty much barely as strong as the melee fully charged. His Dair is all but unusable, solely because of the horrendous lag, and the Uair is alot harder to hit with while avoiding lag. Actually, both are harder to hit with because of a **** DECREASED HITBOX.
Fair sucks now. Stronger hit on the second blow sucks, as they rarely combo with one another. Bair got MARGINALLY better. Hardly even a buff, other than the knockback on the second hit. Ftilt is still really slow, and is useless as an edgeguard. Utilt still has a nice large hitbox. To bad the hit stun in brawl makes it completely useless to combo. Fsmash didn't change to much, though it's a little laggier, and the reach actually feels kind of decreased. Usmash actually got a buff. I'm happy with it. Nair is ok.
His projectiles and spaced clawshot in the air with the auto cancel is pretty much his only redeeming feature, as he can camp with the best of them. To bad he's so slow he has a difficult time getting a good killing hit on someone.
Oh, did I mention his PISS POOR RECOVERY!? The ability to grapple walls/DI your Up+B is sorely missed.
Gale Boomerang is often over rated. It's sometimes decent enough to pull someone in for two dsmash hits. Other than that the push/pull isn't too useful. Bombs are nice. Arrows are fast.
Too bad the normal Dair was better than the tornado.kai said:
Samus did get an undeserved nerf. You can't even blame the physics for it to much. It's just her.
Ganon got an undeserved nerf. Not only did he become a worse character, he now looks ********.
Still won't Leave Link though, although I'll more than likely play Diddy and Olimar equally now, since I have nothing to compare them to to feel dissapointed about.
Charizard right behind them.
Airgemini
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With Peach I find her second jump somewhat annoying seeing how its barely a second jump at all....
I main Falcon. He is nerfed but in my opinion is not the worst character in the game by any stretch. I love his improved recovery and overall I like him as a character. The downfall of Falcon in Brawl is air dodging. If the old air dodging system remained Falcon would still be high tier but with the Brawl one he is either at the bottom of the middle tier or the top of the lower tier (lower, not bottom mind you). He still has speed and his aerials are still dominant. The Knee is harder but I still use it pretty effectively. His most nerfed move is his Dair. Almost useless now but even with it taken into account Falcon's aerials are still some of the best in the game I think. Uair is definitely one of the best moves in the game.
It's sad that Falcon got nerfed so badly but I still main him and still love playing as him. Unfortunately it seems as if Brawl is evolving into a projectile based game so if that continues Falcon will definitely drop to bottom tier. Hopefully things won't come to that but if they do I'll be hard at work trying to win in a projectile-based game with a guy who has no projectiles. lol
Falcon for life!
It's sad that Falcon got nerfed so badly but I still main him and still love playing as him. Unfortunately it seems as if Brawl is evolving into a projectile based game so if that continues Falcon will definitely drop to bottom tier. Hopefully things won't come to that but if they do I'll be hard at work trying to win in a projectile-based game with a guy who has no projectiles. lol
Falcon for life!
Roxaslawliet
Smash Apprentice
falco got well deserved nerfs, his dair is still good though
fox is still cool, but I can't use him any more
marth is a beast, imo, he plays more like roy did in melee, but he's faster and has the tipper and since roy was my main, I was happy.
Shiek, is hit and run, is it just me or is her nair nerfed?
Peach, I loved her in melee, her side taunt is the only reason I still like her, her dsmash understandable but the jump is just annoying.
Falcon, he's okay, the scarf is his nerf
gannon, looks like an idiot, fat Ba$7erd
DK, my friend mained him and he doesn't like him anymore so I guess he's bad
Pikachu, is a beast, almost back to his 64 self
ness, I still like him
zelda, is a lot of fun to play now, she deserved it too!
link, toon link puts him to shame. no questions asked
fox is still cool, but I can't use him any more
marth is a beast, imo, he plays more like roy did in melee, but he's faster and has the tipper and since roy was my main, I was happy.
Shiek, is hit and run, is it just me or is her nair nerfed?
Peach, I loved her in melee, her side taunt is the only reason I still like her, her dsmash understandable but the jump is just annoying.
Falcon, he's okay, the scarf is his nerf
gannon, looks like an idiot, fat Ba$7erd
DK, my friend mained him and he doesn't like him anymore so I guess he's bad
Pikachu, is a beast, almost back to his 64 self
ness, I still like him
zelda, is a lot of fun to play now, she deserved it too!
link, toon link puts him to shame. no questions asked
GenericKen
Smash Cadet
Hawt. :embarrass
Re Samus> Everyone says that her nerf was undeserved, being a mid-tier character in brawl. But isn't the ability to switch to Zero Suit Samus for different matchups a massive buff that needed to be offset with nerfs?
Granted, I can't imagine what machups you'd have where you'd prefer regular Samus over Zamus, but still.
Blistering Speed
Smash Champion
Yeh, you can ***** all day about Samus, Link and CF, but considering there's 23 characters or something returning, I dont think they really did that bad a job with the rest of the cast
HiIH
Smash Lord
What does that have to do with them being nerfed again?
I'm still pretty upset about the Sheik and Falco nerfs, Sheik especially. I can't complain a whole lot about Falco I guess, I love his new shine and also love the fact that he's less of a clone, but he doesn't really have any good KO moves. Sure his fsmash is powerful, but you have to be point blank and the start-up lag is horrible. Most characters in the game have at least one good, reliable KO move that can kill at decent percentages, but both Falco and Sheik seem to lack that. Falco does have a good spike still, but you really, really, really have to work hard to set it up. Sheik can't kill from the air pretty much at all anymore which is pretty disappointing, and with the new air-dodging system it's difficult to land aerial attacks anyway. I am really happy they buffed Zelda though, which is probably the reason why they justified nerfing Sheik so much, but man! I want my freakin Ninja!