Houston Thread - No HOBOs and no WHOBOs. What do we do now??????????????????????????????????????????

[Broly]

You're wrong. UTD Zac would win doubles regardless.

I can gaurantee an MK is winning doubles at HOBO 18, too.

I'm going.

Game and Watch and Wario do not require an MK to win.

Leave the doubles theory to those that are Gods in that area, please.



I extremely strongly disagree with the changing of any stage rules.

gods? stfu, everbody knows MK is needed. if its an mk tourny GW/Wario wont beat wario/mk or GW/mk. those characters need him. now does mk need them? no. you can seriously pt mk w/ almost any character in the game, and they can be a decent team. can wario or gw do that w/ the same amount of characters? no. you are only gonna win if utd zac teams w/ you, and thats if you guys win. dojo can easily team w/ razer or dmg or gnes and i can say that they will be the favord to win.

 

[UltimateRazer]

What exactly are you responding to? If you think MK is too good in doubles, I'll be happy to crush that fantasy with logic and facts.

I meant the stages. We voted already when he banned him..

 

[UTDZac]

Broly, imo MK is not needed to win teams. He is easy to use in teams, sure, but not necessary. I've teamed with a DDD, a Snake, a Sheik, and a Yoshi and have done very well.

 

[Xyro77]

i just think more things should be open now hes gone

 

[Broly]

well ill gather big tournys aka national ones. check their results and see if mk wasnt needed to win.

 

[Magik0722]

broly is so pro MK ban he broke all my kirby games

true story

 

[Broly]

yes i did, and no i actually like mk in dubs. love ya pax, lol

ok so far, i got herb2, evo, genesis, apex, and i think WHOBO.

i commend you utd zac and razer at getting 2nd at apex, but the fact is each of these national tournys have mk in either 1 or 2 of the top 3 and each tourny was won by mk. wheather it was m2k winning or not is besides the point as other top mks also placed that high and some of these tournys the top wario or gw did not reach top 3.

 

[Inui]

You wish to engage in battle, Broly? You dare challenge the perfect logic of a von Karma!?

gods? stfu, everbody knows MK is needed. if its an mk tourny GW/Wario wont beat wario/mk or GW/mk. those characters need him. now does mk need them? no. you can seriously pt mk w/ almost any character in the game, and they can be a decent team.

I grow tired of this foolishness.

Game and Watch and Wario can very easily beat MK in doubles. Atomsk and I have beaten strong MKs in teams, and even strong double MK teams, with various combinations of Snake, Wario, and Dedede. Double MK is plagued with two weaknesses. They die early, and they have massive trouble killing if they don't score gimps. Realizing those weaknesses is all it takes to win.

Now, think about it, what are Game and Watch and Wario amazing at in doubles? Surviving and killing.

Logically, they are the perfect counter!

can wario or gw do that w/ the same amount of characters? no.

I will concede that MK is the most versatile.

Nothing more.

you are only gonna win if utd zac teams w/ you, and thats if you guys win. dojo can easily team w/ razer or dmg or gnes and i can say that they will be the favord to win.

Only UTD Zac has a doubles record comparable to mine. The other players you mentioned...will willingly admit that I am their superior in doubles. If Atomsk shows up with me or UTD Zac teams with me, I assure you I will take 1st, and it will be at least 50% based on my own prowess since I am never carried.

I meant the stages. We voted already when he banned him..

Ah, very well.

 

[Sybawave]

Who is this person?

 

[Inui]

Who is this person?

I was unaware that there were still players that didn't know who I am.

 

[Magik0722]

hmm all i took from that was you talking about how awesome you are in doubles


dont quote this, i will step no farther into the argument

 

[Inui]

hmm all i took from that was you talking about how awesome you are in doubles

rofl

That was only my last point, and the part actually talking about the characters in doubles was way bigger.

I dub thee a skimmer.

 

[Broly]

yea very true. hmm i dont se inuis name in 1st place in any of these events cept whobo i think. i NEVER said dbl mk was the best, I SAID MK IS THE BEST DOUBLES CHARACTER. mk can win with the top 8 characters in the tier list, maybe more. GW and Wario cannot

 

[Magik0722]

"Double MK is plagued with two weaknesses. They die early, and they have massive trouble killing if they don't score gimps. Realizing those weaknesses is all it takes to win.

Now, think about it, what are Game and Watch and Wario amazing at in doubles? Surviving and killing."


Was the only thing that you said that was part of your actual argument

besides broly is saying MK is the best doubles character, not that double MK is broken

 

[CY]

did you seriously just post those little pictures to go along with your argument? LOL!

also you get carried in doubles.

 

[Magik0722]

Von karma is perfect

Also inui, young ema is superior to older ema in every way

 

[Inui]

yea very true. hmm i dont se inuis name in 1st place in any of these events cept whobo i think. i NEVER said dbl mk was the best, I SAID MK IS THE BEST DOUBLES CHARACTER. mk can win with the top 8 characters in the tier list, maybe more. GW and Wario cannot

Pardon me for losing to Mew2King in doubles consistently. I'm only #2 at best. Sorry for sucking.

Game and Watch and Wario can win without Meta Knight... Can you prove they can't? Where is your evidence? I can provide a mountain of my own if needed.

did you seriously just post those little pictures to go along with your argument? LOL!

also you get carried in doubles.

Of course. It's fun.

I'm carried? Prove it. I have won/placed very well in doubles with a plethora of players, including players worse than me. I will provide proof should you need it.

Ah, the vegabonds of Texas! I'm so glad I get along with those of your state that possess talent and intelligence and are important. The rest of you...are just so hostile and foolish far too often, with a few exceptions.

I'm curious... When will you realize that I manipulate you people into these confrontations? Please cease falling for it. It doesn't seem to work on your ranked players and top hosts. I wonder why... Ah, they are intelligent! This is why! Also, they happen to know me.

Von karma is perfect

Also inui, young ema is superior to older ema in every way

Yes, she's awesome.

No, young Ema fails. Adult Ema is a gorgeous woman with a cuter theme song.

 

[Broly]

i already brought my evidence. every national tourny was won by mk/? wheres ur gw/wario winner?

 

[Magik0722]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRaxpxtDvWE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wIC-9YaOjI

they are the same theme song...

look at that face

also blue eyes > green eyes

 

[Inui]

i already brought my evidence. every national tourny was won by mk/? wheres ur gw/wario winner?

Fool! Mew2King is the best player in the world! He is extremely talented in doubles. He is obviously going to win.

There have been exceptions. In July of last year, Azen and Chillin won teams against him and Velocity with Falco and Lucario. Things like that can and do happen, but Mew2King's skill is far too great.

Ugh. Bringing Mew2King up as "MK always wins doubles" is like cheating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRaxpxtDvWE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wIC-9YaOjI

they are the same theme song...

look at that face

also blue eyes > green eyes

Uh... The one in Apollo Justice sounds way way way better.

 

[Magik0722]

well the first game was a GBA port so it obviously sounds diferent from a game made for the NDS

i like the sound of 8bit esque music

 

[Broly]

cheating? its not his fault hes good. mk can not be faulted by a players skill. then ppl will say'' oh its ally, snakes sux in dubs, thats cheating

 

[Inui]

cheating? its not his fault hes good. mk can not be faulted by a players skill. then ppl will say'' oh its ally, snakes sux in dubs, thats cheating

You are trying to say MK is the best in doubles because an MK is on every national winning team.

It's because Mew2King is better than everyone else. That's it. It's not him riding the character or MK being the best character in doubles.

Your point is like...cheating. "MK is the best because Mew2King wins everything."

Snake is good in doubles. Probably 4th best. Ally isn't the only Snake that does well in doubles.

 

[DMG]

Ok Inui, every fairly large tournament I can think of that does NOT include M2K, has had a MK on the top team, if not on most of the top teams. I've not seen a team in Texas that was missing a MK on it that also won. I've seen MK win with Snake, Wario, G&W, and even Diddy, but I have yet to see one of those characters win with another with ANYTHING CLOSE to the success MK has in teams. One of the only tournaments I can think of where two characters besides MK won for Texas was HOBO 15 (Me and Razer won Hobo 15 with mostly Wario/Snake), and a lot of good players were not there (Dojo, UTD Zac, IDK if Infinity was there or not). Every tournament Dphat and I have won we have done with MK and G&W/Wario/Diddy, not Marth and G&W/Wario/Diddy.

If I see a tournament where Chu/some other good person teams up and win without using MK, I'm gonna assume it's just because those guys are really good or because that area lacks MK's that can compete on their level, because at every other tournament of worth it seems that MK + some other character wins and places the most. Even if we count the legit tournaments you and Atomsk win without MK, it's outclassed by the legit tournaments that people besides Jason have won or taken top 3 placings with a MK on the team.

I'm not saying the MK's in your area are bad, but if they aren't winning or placing high in teams, they either need to work on their team work/have a more suitable partner, or they aren't as good as you + Atomsk or a non MK team. If you get a team with a good MK (closer to Teh Spammer/Tyrant/Dojo/DSF level than Shadow/DMbrandon/Ksizzle level) that also has good team work and maybe a good Wario or G&W (which your region lacks in Wario and G&W players), I bet they would win, aside from M2K teaming with like Ally or something haha.


Seriously though, MK is clearly the winningest/best placing character in doubles. G&W and Wario, while you can argue about them being better than MK in teams, still do not have the results that MK does in doubles, regardless of the reason (lack of Wario/G&W, MK being more popular, MK being easier to use in teams, etc).

 

[jaggedShrapnel]

This is why I don't play many friendlies with people that I don't know well :/. It's hard to have fun when people judge your skill later off friendlies lol.

THIS little exchange is the reason you don't play friendlies against people you don't know? You're putting words in my mouth, I never judged your skill from our match. Also, if you didn't try, it wouldn't have been a close fight. Sure you could've probably tried harder, but then why not say something along the lines of "I don't play my best in friendlies"? That's much more fitting, and far less confusing.

 

[DMG]

I play friendlies with people I don't know. If they judge my skill later off of said friendlies, I offer to MM them.

Or I stop sandbagging when I play them next time to give them a "change of opinion".

 

[Gea]

THIS little exchange is the reason you don't play friendlies against people you don't know? You're putting words in my mouth, I never judged your skill from our match. Also, if you didn't try, it wouldn't have been a close fight. Sure you could've probably tried harder, but then why not say something along the lines of "I don't play my best in friendlies"? That's much more fitting, and far less confusing.

Hylian is always like this. Don't worry, just MM next time.

 

[Gnes]

Do not make Gnes team with Razer for this event and kill u all.

Dont make him do it.


Inui...I LOVE your way of arguing. The phoenix wright one in the HOBO thread made my day. Bring Atomsk down with u plox ^.^

 

[Broly]

dmg for prez, LOL, hes too good

 

[Smoom77]

Anyone want to play Brawl, B+, or BB?

Edit: Nvm, Xyro's playing.

 

[CY]

I'm carried? Prove it. I have won/placed very well in doubles with a plethora of players, including players worse than me. I will provide proof should you need it.

Ah, the vegabonds of Texas! I'm so glad I get along with those of your state that possess talent and intelligence and are important. The rest of you...are just so hostile and foolish far too often, with a few exceptions.


Yes, she's awesome.

No, young Ema fails. Adult Ema is a gorgeous woman with a cuter theme song.

but you still suck, you vegabond.

also, how is a fake character in anime or whatever it's from considered gorgeous? it's not even real.

Spoiler

i would **** the **** out of her though, no lie

 

[Inui]

Ok Inui, every fairly large tournament I can think of that does NOT include M2K, has had a MK on the top team, if not on most of the top teams. I've not seen a team in Texas that was missing a MK on it that also won. I've seen MK win with Snake, Wario, G&W, and even Diddy, but I have yet to see one of those characters win with another with ANYTHING CLOSE to the success MK has in teams. One of the only tournaments I can think of where two characters besides MK won for Texas was HOBO 15 (Me and Razer won Hobo 15 with mostly Wario/Snake), and a lot of good players were not there (Dojo, UTD Zac, IDK if Infinity was there or not). Every tournament Dphat and I have won we have done with MK and G&W/Wario/Diddy, not Marth and G&W/Wario/Diddy.

Ha...!

You really need to look at more than just Texas. You don't pay enough attention to other areas. Atomsk and I have won hard tournaments MANY times without my MK. At a very large tournament in MD/VA, we took out Snakeee/Shadow and ChuDat/Forte...with my Snake and his Dedede/Wario. We beat the two best doubles MKs there without MK. We won a tournament with double Wario. We smited the double MK team of Shadow/Doom in grand finals with Snake and Dedede. ChuDat wins tournaments in MD/VA teaming with Candy's Snake.

That's hard proof right there! The only thing more real is the bitter darkness on the bottom of this mug of coffee!

If I see a tournament where Chu/some other good person teams up and win without using MK, I'm gonna assume it's just because those guys are really good or because that area lacks MK's that can compete on their level, because at every other tournament of worth it seems that MK + some other character wins and places the most. Even if we count the legit tournaments you and Atomsk win without MK, it's outclassed by the legit tournaments that people besides Jason have won or taken top 3 placings with a MK on the team.

We've been through this nonsense before. Why do you keep making me repeat myself?

MK's versatility and ease of use make him popular in doubles. He pairs well with many characters. He's not hard to use. This is why he's on a lot of teams. Does that make him the best? NO. All of my experiences in teams, which usually spans from the first round of winners all the way to the last game of grand finals, have educated me greatly about the world of doubles. Game and Watch and Wario have strong cases to be argued when it comes to being better than MK in doubles. I have explained it to you before. MK's popularity in doubles doesn't make him broken or the best. You doing better with Dphat's MK than his Marth doesn't prove anything. Marth is horrifyingly worthless in doubles.

I'm not saying the MK's in your area are bad, but if they aren't winning or placing high in teams, they either need to work on their team work/have a more suitable partner, or they aren't as good as you + Atomsk or a non MK team. If you get a team with a good MK (closer to Teh Spammer/Tyrant/Dojo/DSF level than Shadow/DMbrandon/Ksizzle level) that also has good team work and maybe a good Wario or G&W (which your region lacks in Wario and G&W players), I bet they would win, aside from M2K teaming with like Ally or something haha.

Time for another cup of bitter darkness before I attack this next steaming hot cup of testimony.

teh_spamerer has a losing record against me in teams. I have achieved many of those wins with Snake. Shadow is superior to Dojo, Tyrant, etc. in doubles as far as I'm concerned. He always impresses me more, yet he also loses to Atomsk and I not using MK at all.

You underestimate the MKs here far too much. It's only a matter of time until, as with everything else, I am proven right.

Seriously though, MK is clearly the winningest/best placing character in doubles. G&W and Wario, while you can argue about them being better than MK in teams, still do not have the results that MK does in doubles, regardless of the reason (lack of Wario/G&W, MK being more popular, MK being easier to use in teams, etc).

While I will concede that the other characters don't have the results yet, it's not a strong indicator of MK being better. I trust my own knowledge and experiences over results bloated by MK's sheer popularity and ease of use.

Do not make Gnes team with Razer for this event and kill u all.

Dont make him do it.


Inui...I LOVE your way of arguing. The phoenix wright one in the HOBO thread made my day. Bring Atomsk down with u plox ^.^

Let us enjoy a steaming hot cup of bitter darkness together.

but you still suck, you vegabond.

also, how is a fake character in anime or whatever it's from considered gorgeous? it's not even real.

Spoiler

i would **** the **** out of her though, no lie

Who are you again?

 

[CY]

Who are you again?

i'm just a scrub who likes to lose money at smash. in fact, i would like to lose money to you at HOBO 18. $5 2/3 w/e w/e my wario your mk. ok done! i know you are very impressive at singles so this should be an easy win for you. i'm bad at this game anyways so it shouldn't matter

also, how did that surgery go? you know, the one where you had some ribs removed so that it's easier to suck your own ****. you do it so much on these forums i just assume the surgery went according to plan.

 

[Xyro77]

Guys, look at the pictures then look at the words. YOU CAN SEE INUI act it out

 

[Inui]

i'm just a scrub who likes to lose money at smash. in fact, i would like to lose money to you at HOBO 18. $5 2/3 w/e w/e my wario your mk. ok done! i know you are very impressive at singles so this should be an easy win for you. i'm bad at this game anyway so it shouldn't matter anyway.

I will be happy to take your money. Underestimating me because you don't like me is foolish. At least the top players in your state realize that I'm talented and they like me because they know me. You, however...

also, how did that surgery go? you know, the one where you had some ribs removed so that it's easier to suck your own ****. you do it so much on these forums i just assume the surgery went according to plan.

Your pathetic attempt at humor has failed miserably.

 

[Sybawave]

Is she any good at smash?

Wow she talks a lot xD sooo many messages

 

[TheJerm]

who is she? Inui? Inui is a man my friend, and he's good. Just gets on peoples nerves with some of his comments on the boards. But its all good.. competition =]

 

[CY]

I will be happy to take your money. Underestimating me because you don't like me is foolish. At least the top players in your state realize that I'm talented and they like me because they know me. You, however...

You fool, do you not realize my POWER?! I will crush you like the vegabond you are.

You are not prepared!

 

[Sybawave]

What's her tag? Is this Milktea? I thought Milktea's account was Milktea...or is this that other player I can't remember her name right now <_<

 

[Gea]

This thread's gay level is off the ****ing meter.