"""""""""""""Hylian said: Do you not understand smash at all? The entire game is based around gimping, and killing at the lowest %'s.
You don't even have your facts straight, yet you go and try to ban things?
DeDeDe can Infinite 5 characters. Samus included. If I play you in tournament again, I will make sure to remember to just pick DeDeDe and infinite you, since you didn't ban it. Also, its MUCH easier then anything the IC's can do.
So you only want IC's to be able to regrab 3 times? Thats what..not even 15%?
Falco can chaingrab you to 35%-50% depending on the weight of the character, and then he can dair, which is another 15% or so. So falco is allowed to do that but not IC's?
DeDeDe can infinite against walls, AND he can chaingrab all the way to the edge and ftilt, so that he is in the position to edgeguard and the opponent cannot do anything about it once they are grabbed. The IC's could do the same thing, Fthrow all the way to the edge to edge guard. It's the exact same thing, yet the IC chaingrab is sooo much harder and it's banned?
Also, Marth and Sonic CAN'T get out unless the Falco messes up. This is a another fact you have wrong.
Also, not getting grabbed is NOT your only option.
1. Keep the IC's seperated. This is not that hard considering nana lags 6 frames behind popo, and often gets hit when you shield.
2. Pick moving stages. They interrupt the chaingrabs. Stages with slopes also do this.
And not getting grabbed IS possible. The ics have a VERY short grab range, they don't have a wavedash to chase with like in melee, their approach is not great, and almost every character can hit their shield without fear of being shieldgrabbed.
Hey look, another thing you are wrong about! 32 of the characters in this game can do this to ness/lucas. Some have to move while doing it, but generally its an infinite with almost anyone. So you are saying ness and lucas should just be completely abandoned and never used in tournaments? Just because they are not as popular? That's horrible.
Also, if people will main IC's to infinite every character...THEN WHY AREN'T THEY? Did you know I am the only IC play to even place top 5 in a brawl tournament? AND I ONLY USED THEM 5 MATCHES THE ENTIRE TOURNAMENT. Maybe it's because, despite the IC's having an infinite grab, they are VERY hard to use and their are many ways to beat them. If this technique was broken then you would see IC players EVERYWHERE. WINNING everything. But you don't. Because it's not broken.
Um, I addressed this above. You are wrong.
Really? So does that mean I am only allowed to grab 3 times the entire match? Can I only grab them once? Do I have to do two attacks again before I can grab? 3? I am pretty sure if I throw them, then I fair them with nana, I just did a grab, and then an attack. I am still not allowed to grab? What if I do Throw, to fair, to iceblock? 2 attacks. Can I grab after that? What about, throw to fair to block lock to jab to grab? Is that considered a chaingrab?
You say I can't grab 3 times in a row. So I can still grab, throw 3 times, hit them with an attack, and then grab again? If that is banned then how many attacks am I allowed to do before I can grab again? Can I throw with popo, then footstool them with nana and grab as they get up off the ground? What if I footstool into Ice block into grab? There are so many things I can do with climbers, that you would basically have to ban every single one of my combos. Why not just ban IC's alltogether? What limits me from doing these things? I can infinite someone while only grabbing them once between like 3 hits. Thats not at all grabs in a row. If you ban this, you are going to have to tell me EXACTLY what I can't do, or I will do it. I have MANY death combos. I don't use them, because I don't need to. They are still there.
See above
That has NEVER Happened. In melee, Wobbling was legal at almost every large scale tournament, and it didn't effect the outcome one bit. The only two good IC's were Wobbles and Chu, and they bothed placed the same when wobbling was banned and when it wasn't. Random scrubs will NEVER beat pros. THIS TACTIC IS NOT BROKEN AND THERE IS NO EVIDENCE FOR IT BEING SO. You have ZERO proof that this will happen. It didn't happen in melee, that's for sure.
There was never a single tournament that was won by wobbling. People thought wobbles only beat caveman at evo south because of wobbling, but he also beat caveman when wobbling was banned. In several tournaments. He still lost to Xelic, even WITH wobbling. So lets see: Wobbles is allowed to wobble and he beats caveman and loses to Xelic. When he isn't allowed to wobble what happens? He beats caveman and loses to Xelic. The exact same thing. IT IS NOT GAMEBREAKING AND HAS NEVER AFFECTED TOURNAMENT RESULTS.
I don't have to compare it. The points addressed above are solid.
I don't like it, and I won't attend tournaments that support banning this, no matter where they are. Be open to change. It seems like you are just banning this because you don't understand it, or how to get around it. But it is by no means broken, and people are not going to start winning tournaments because of it.
I know.
Edit: I didn't even bring up Jab locks, Lazerlocks, Ice Block Locks, Stun Locks..Why are those not all banned?"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I never did figure out how to multiquote so give me some slack.
dedede cannot infinite samus. im not gonna argue this. its a fact. I know what im talking about.
Falco should be allowed to do what he does because THERE IS A END IN SIGHT. With IC, there isnt. And again, sethlon vs royr. i have the videos in front of me. at least 3 times at 0% royr UP B out of seth chain grab. U call it a mess up only cause im right., i call it royr found away out of the CG. I saw it done with sonic as well. Its all about timing. This cant be done with IC. If it can, i would like to see it.
Dedede cg to ftilt of ledge is cool and all but if u dont use your second jump or UP+B you will be fine. ive seen it time and time again.
about the ness /lucas thing. U mean to tell me a ike or marth or shiek or falco or wolf or mario or peach or game and watch can chain grab them at 999%(sorry but 32 chars cant do this)? if not then its not an infinite. IC can do it at ANY % to any %(vids on youtube).
Im not gonna say the IC CG is easy cause i KNOW its not but its nothing practice cant fix. You your self said u can do it 100% on some and 50% on others. and its only taken u what 2 months of IC?
And im not worried about IC winning or takin over the world.....i am worried about all the free matches they get due to Infin CG. How many people have lost in melee and brawl from that when they actualy might have had a chance? The world may never know.
i would go into melee and wobbles but i just covered what i needed to in the 3 lines above.
And in houston there have been times were aaron and Dv8 and jake have beaten better people cause of wobbling(i wont hold this against u cause u dont live here in houston, so u wouldnt know). the point is, its not just here in houston, its every were. is it wrecking the game or messing up results. no but it has knocked people out of tournies who shouldnt have been beat.. this is why im against wobbling and the brawl infini CG.
again its not about scrubs beating pros. its about weaker players beating better players due to Ifini CG.
Laser lock is not a threat and u know it.
i understand Infini CG and how gay it is. and as i said at first, im willing to allow it again if the houston people WANT it allowed.
it may seem ike im repeating myself but it seems u dont get me.
OH AND ALSO, i will totaly drop this subject if you can prove to me that the majority(or near majority) of characters can get out of the infini CG.
