Houston Smash Ultimate Thread

[Gea]

Read again. Holding DOWN wouldn't, but holding LEFT would for an attack sending you to the RIGHT.

 

[UltimateRazer]

Read again. Holding DOWN wouldn't, but holding LEFT would for an attack sending you to the RIGHT.

Bingo ^

Now my question is, this seems to work like if your opponent is charging and upsmash on you after a broken shield. Obviously you can hold down before it hits. Not what if it's a read and you go straight up. What if you hold down after a quarter of a second? Will vector kick in?

 

[Xyro77]

Bingo ^

Now my question is, this seems to work like if your opponent is charging and upsmash on you after a broken shield. Obviously you can hold down before it hits. Not what if it's a read and you go straight up. What if you hold down after a quarter of a second? Will vector kick in?

i think he said the moment you start to go into the direction the move sends you is when you start to "vector"

Read again. Holding DOWN wouldn't, but holding LEFT would for an attack sending you to the RIGHT.

so its up/down for vert and left/right for hori?

 

[Gea]

Yes. The idea is you hold the opposite of how you get hit for survival, and with the attack to get out of combos.

Vectoring is supposedly seen as different as SDI for the moment, meaning that holding it before you get attacked would have the same effect. SDI (or whatever the vector equiv) still exists though, so smashing the opposite direction as you get hit would be most effective.

 

[UltimateRazer]

Apparently it's holding up or up diagonal/down or down diagonal for vertical.

This could be troubling if people are already having a hard time to kill.

 

[Gea]

Holding up would make you die sooner off of the top. In theory holding up would help you not get sent as far when spiked if that's what you meant. The diagonal would help slightly if the move didn't send you straight up, but has no real effect on your survival if it does (despite you moving left/right, the amount you move upwards is still the same).

Apparently holding up on juggles at anything above low % lets you get out early.

 

[Xyro77]

simple
valuable
i like it

 

[UltimateRazer]

Thoughts on what this might mean? On paper if you could predict moves this would seem bad, but I think it'll be hard to react so precisely. Even for combos, maybe it could be exploited.

 

[Xyro77]

Thoughts on what this might mean? On paper if you could predict moves this would seem bad, but I think it'll be hard to react so precisely. Even for combos, maybe it could be exploited.

Vectoring propmotes escape from combos from the mid-high percents.
Vectoring allows you to survive longer from low to high percents.

Meaning a slower game.


i MIGHT have to eat my 3 stock 7min views.....maybe.

 

[UltimateRazer]

2 stocks 5 minutes really may be the way to go. Keep a watch on everything.

 

[Xyro77]

Something else

Characters who can combo at low percent may be the ones crawling up the tier list if this vectoring thing has a huge effect on how we survive killing blows and combos.

 

[UltimateRazer]

Possibly. It may also cause people to escape those combos.

 

[Xyro77]

Possibly. It may also cause people to escape those combos.

low percents he said it doesnt do too much of anything. mid-high is when you really start to see it.

videos of it on the wiiu version is what i really need.

 

[Gea]

It doesn't have a HUGE impact on low %, but it could still nullify some stuff. If anything, it means characters with reliable kill moves or (dare I say) good zoning to tick on percent safely will be the ones crawling up. That or... this game has potential to have gimps as a regular occurrence.

I hope that it ultimately doesn't change much. To be honest I don't mind 3 stock as long as it isn't dreadfully slow. I just don't want people to be too settled in when we all realize that, "Yup, this game IS slow."

 

[Xyro77]

Zoning?

Marth?

 

[Gea]

Long disjoints or projectiles. Things with little risk. We'll see, though.

 

[Xyro77]

Ok so marth. Cool.

 

[Xyro77]

Nintendo France says nov 21st for smash WiiU


http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...r_21st_launch_date_for_super_smash_bros_wii_u


DDD is happy


http://gfycat.com/CraftySillyHyracotherium

 

[KRDsonic]

Coming from melee, I felt the same thing about brawl.

Then as I got better, I learned to kill/gimp/build damage better.


Again, the longer the game is out, the faster things happen.

I guess that's true. I tend to forget that originally, everyone kept complaining that Samus, Sheik, and Peach couldn't kill. Then after a while, that stopped being a problem as some of us got experienced with those characters.

 

[Shaya]

Yes.

Characters like Marth love getting out of combos earlier and then just using swords to zone people away all day.

WE BACK IN THERE.
Although I swear to ****ing god what I'd do for ZSS' up b....

I just want down throw to be something scarier than ff air dodge fodder because you need to double jump to reach them :[ Why can't Marth have a custom up b that hits 12 times and kills at 50%. WHY.

 

[Tesh]

^ What does Marth/Lucina have? I haven't seen theirs, but I saw Toon Link has a version of Marth's Up B.

 

[Xyro77]

Marth/lucina have ike's side B move but 4x faster. Like like falco side B.

It replaces their up+B

 

[Tesh]

So.....they don't go up? I would have expected something more like a lunging dancing blade or shieldbreaker to help their recoveries.

Looked like Ike only had 2 good ones, but considering quickdraw and eruption kind of suck as concepts, not much can be done there.

 

[Xyro77]

It's fine. Even if I allow custom moves in the future, I refuse to allow them to poison my lucina.



Oh hey, go to the lucina boards, iirc they have all her customs unlocked. She has 2 counters and a weaker but faster dancing blade. Totally useless ****.

 

[IsmaR]

They got 3DS mains/postbits working now Xyro, so you can run double lesbians.

 

[Xyro77]

They got 3DS mains/postbits working now Xyro, so you can run double lesbians.

F YESSSSSSSS

THANK YOUUU

 

[UltimateRazer]

In 2 years the rule set will be 1 stock 60 seconds custom moves only.

 

[Xyro77]

And now we have MORE tournament data backing up my never wrong views on 3 stocks.


http://smashboards.com/threads/blas...m-tourney-locators-invitation-tourney.368643/




Holy F it feels good to be amazing

 

[z00ted]

I was just about to post that, lol.
Whoever compiled those statistics is on their ****. Just saved the community like hundred of hours on debate.

 

[Xyro77]

I was just about to post that, lol.
Whoever compiled those statistics is on their ****. Just saved the community like hundred of hours on debate.

Or they could have saved time and listened to me. I know literally everything.

 

[UltimateRazer]

Still, one tournament of 16 players is not enough. Let's wait for a few more.

 

[RT]

Or they could have saved time and listened to me. I know literally everything.

You know, being proud of uninstalling calculator program from your PC is not a good thing.

 

[Xyro77]

HAHAHAHAAHA

we had RJs data back me up
Now infinity/ThinkAMan data too.

You are going to keep waiting until u see data back up your views so u can scream "see! 2 stock 5min."

It's done. U lose. U suck. F off!

 

[Xyro77]

You know, being proud of uninstalling calculator program from your PC is not a good thing.

SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[UltimateRazer]

RJ's data was actually troubling with your 7 minute timer.

Like I said, wait for more tournaments. The game isn't even a week old.

 

[Tesh]

It's fine. Even if I allow custom moves in the future, I refuse to allow them to poison my lucina.



Oh hey, go to the lucina boards, iirc they have all her customs unlocked. She has 2 counters and a weaker but faster dancing blade. Totally useless ****.

Some characters got some lame stuff I'd have to say. Some cool ones I've seen so far.
Sonic:
Double Spring Up B
Homing attack that goes straight down (just looks cool, not better though)

Bowser:
Flash fire nB with takes 20 seconds to recharge (good buff for a nearly useless move)

Samus:
So many cool things for her

Toon Link:
Fire arrows

Megaman :
Hyper Bomb nB
Skull Barrier

Little Mac:
UpB kills at under 100 but you cant combo into it.

I'm confused about what Denti thought was broken. Maybe something on Mii Fighter.
Reading about Robin's custom thunder.
Does 17-31 damage at max charge (I wanna see villager pocket this)
Takes 5+ seconds to charge (dont see why no one timed this) I guess. normal thoron takes 4 seconds and this one takes longer.
Thoron will apparently break the tome after 1 use.

I'm confused as to what happens if your elwind tome breaks. Do you lose your up b for 7 seconds?


What are you guys talking about with timers here? Isn't 2 stock 5 minutes almost the same timer per stock as 3 stock 8 minutes?
Aside from boredom, I don't think 3 stock will stop someone from timing out just as easily.

 

[Xyro77]

RJ's data was actually troubling with your 7 minute timer.

Like I said, wait for more tournaments. The game isn't even a week old.

It proves that only 8 of 122 matches goes to time. The rest finished UNDER 7min. Which proves 3 stock 7 min works just fine. Please RE-read the last 3 pages.

 

[z00ted]

I have a feeling once all custom moves are unlocked and people start displaying how fun/interesting they are to competitive smash in side tournaments or whatever everyone's gonna want to start using them. Just wish they weren't so hard to fully complete, sucks that so many smashers are inherently lazy lol. Of course everyone's gonna **** talk them until they start seeing shiny new moves in front of their face that can actually be used in a practical situation.

 

[z00ted]

also kid icarus uprising is amazing

 

[Espy Rose]

Sonic's double spring is ass, Tesh.