Well, you came to this thread under the guise that someone was "slandering" you. So yea, i will argue semantics as you're here under false pretenses.
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Houston Smash Ultimate Thread
- Thread starter Xyro77
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I know what somebody loves to do(;
How are OOS (lol same letters as out of shield) tournaments usually? My biggest concern would be money, how much do you usually spend on these trips?
Fliphopper
Smash Lord
- Joined
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Best way to do it is factor flight then hotel (of you split or solo) then factor food. I would at least do flight +300
GaiustheThief
Smash Ace
Fliphop team with me at TGC 12
UltimateRazer
Smash Champion
Yeah salt is love. Salt is life.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
F that!!!!!!!
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Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
edit: wrong thread
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Teshie U
Smash Lord
- Joined
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I hope you saw shockwave grand finals. Zero's Falcon was on point. Scary.
UltimateRazer
Smash Champion
Not really. Denti also played bad. Plenty of opportunities for him to open Falcon up. Oh and dying at low percent for 3 stocks doesn't help either. FRAUD
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
I responded to Nike's obscene call out in the SAM 3 thread.
Nike (Marth) vs Xyro (Samus)
3 out of 5 money match for $10
4/4/2015 in San Antonio, TX.
http://smashboards.com/threads/apri...-monthly-for-smash-wiiu.393986/#post-18843414
I got the day off from work so i am 100% confirmed for this trip. Everybody who is 100% wanting to go with me, please text me as soon as you read this so we can set up plans. 409-692-0697
Nike (Marth) vs Xyro (Samus)
3 out of 5 money match for $10
4/4/2015 in San Antonio, TX.
http://smashboards.com/threads/apri...-monthly-for-smash-wiiu.393986/#post-18843414
I got the day off from work so i am 100% confirmed for this trip. Everybody who is 100% wanting to go with me, please text me as soon as you read this so we can set up plans. 409-692-0697
UltimateRazer
Smash Champion
Lol he died in dumb ways. 50/50 murder.
He's probably the best, but I'd wanna see him go all non-diddy to see what happens.
AeroLink_the_SoulMaster
Let's rock, baby!
Oh he's the best. You have to play him yourself, and you'll see.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
KJ confirmed his spot in my truck this weekend.
6 spots remain,
6 spots remain,
Trela
Smash Lord
So last night I went to a little get-together that Krebs was having for a customs tournament. While I didn't use any customs myself, I was fully aware that my Robin would be experiencing a custom Villager, and I wasn't sure how these matches would play out in the end. This was my first time going up against it, and given that this was nothing short of another local to test any customs you felt obligated to use, this was a good time to experiment with my options and figure out how to effectively stop custom Villager on the ledge, if at all.
I make it to WFs after a pretty good set with Knife's Link, and sure enough, I'm up against BC. Karna had lost to him 2-0 and made him switch to his Fox in an effort to combat the ledge-play, but it wasn't enough, I guess. Karna actually went on to lose to Krebs and his custom Villager as well, one resorting in a timeout. It's a shame since playing friendlies with him throughout the day proved to me that he could very well have taken this tournament, as he's clearly gotten much better and takes games off of me without much trouble. Anyway, I'll get back to him later.
Onto WFs. It didn't take me to long to understand the properties of each special move BC was now using. Timber Counter, better known as the Trip Sapling, gave him a free follow-up at anytime if I were to ever walk or run into it, namely by the ledge of course. Robin didn't struggle with this aspect too much; most of my approaches and punishes were by aerials anyway, and these approaches were to punish the start-up lag of his Pushy Lloid, AKA the Big Gyroid. I was gladly willing to trade with the Gyroid, if necessary, if it meant getting a strong Levin Sword hit on Villager. Another option that worked out greatly in the end, too, was when I would Thoron through his Gyroid for a good amount of damage, and it was definitely something I did not do enough on our matches. Extreme Balloon Trip had the most interesting properties to it, and these are pointers that MANY are unaware of when it comes to the Exploding Balloons.
First of, when Villager grabs the ledge after using the balloons, the balloons will start ascending through the stage from underneath. Any attack that so much scratches one of these balloons will make it immediately explode on you, but noticed how I only said ATTACKING the balloons with make them explode. If you do do not attack these balloons, they will slowly float past you and disappear, even if it floats right onto you. This is how I was able to beat BC. As soon as he would grab the ledge again, I would ledge trump him into a Bair, if I was ever given the chance to.
Secondly, if Villager puts up his balloons again when there is already a pair floating about, these new balloons take precedence over the old ones, thus making those old balloons instantly explode wherever they're at. Later on in my sets with BC in GFs is when I started to notice this. If the balloons had ascended enough through the stage from the ledge, Villager could input Up-B again and FORCE them to explode on the spot. But that's just it though. If he inputs his Up-B too early, the balloons will explode below the stage and leave me unaffected. It didn't effect my punishes nearly as much as I originally thought it would, but when I would have to respect his aerials below the ledge at times and not challenge them, it would give the old balloons time to ascend up to me. While it's not the strongest mix-up he has, it's another mix-up to add to the equation, nonetheless.
If you couldn't already tell from all of this, I was most definitely on the offensive pretty much the entirety of my sets against BC. Many of the games I lost to him were to carelessness and over-aggressiveness. But there were times where BC would get back up on the stage and continue his pressure that way, so it wasn't the absolute WORST thing to experience in my life. I honestly believe Villager has a positive match-up ratio on Robin, and while I found my ins-and-outs to his strategy like a REEAAAALLLLL Tactician would, I think it could have been worse. Like I mentioned before, the mix-ups are everywhere, and it's not in a good way either. I'm basically playing a game of Super Ledge Bros. at this point, and let me tell you, it's not that fun. Didn't help that we went 3-2 in WFs, 0-3 in GFs set 1, then 3-2 again in GFs set 2. Thank goodness that this was just at a small local.......
I do not wish to go through this experience again. I believe it is degeneracy. The game we played was different than your typical Smash games. It's not the fact that this is unbeatable, because it isn't. You have to ask yourself, "Why would I ever want to go through this?". Perhaps you may find those that find this type of gameplay enjoyable (namely the ones behind the strategy in the first place), but just know that I am not one of those players. I am in no way talking down on you, BC. Just letting everyone know that I do not support custom moves. Watching Karna lose to players who I believe he's never lost to because of customs doesn't sit well in my book. Yes, you can argue that he didn't know how to deal with custom Villager, but I know good and well that he's the better player here. Maybe he could do better next time against these custom Villagers.
This message he sent me tells me otherwise.
I make it to WFs after a pretty good set with Knife's Link, and sure enough, I'm up against BC. Karna had lost to him 2-0 and made him switch to his Fox in an effort to combat the ledge-play, but it wasn't enough, I guess. Karna actually went on to lose to Krebs and his custom Villager as well, one resorting in a timeout. It's a shame since playing friendlies with him throughout the day proved to me that he could very well have taken this tournament, as he's clearly gotten much better and takes games off of me without much trouble. Anyway, I'll get back to him later.
Onto WFs. It didn't take me to long to understand the properties of each special move BC was now using. Timber Counter, better known as the Trip Sapling, gave him a free follow-up at anytime if I were to ever walk or run into it, namely by the ledge of course. Robin didn't struggle with this aspect too much; most of my approaches and punishes were by aerials anyway, and these approaches were to punish the start-up lag of his Pushy Lloid, AKA the Big Gyroid. I was gladly willing to trade with the Gyroid, if necessary, if it meant getting a strong Levin Sword hit on Villager. Another option that worked out greatly in the end, too, was when I would Thoron through his Gyroid for a good amount of damage, and it was definitely something I did not do enough on our matches. Extreme Balloon Trip had the most interesting properties to it, and these are pointers that MANY are unaware of when it comes to the Exploding Balloons.
First of, when Villager grabs the ledge after using the balloons, the balloons will start ascending through the stage from underneath. Any attack that so much scratches one of these balloons will make it immediately explode on you, but noticed how I only said ATTACKING the balloons with make them explode. If you do do not attack these balloons, they will slowly float past you and disappear, even if it floats right onto you. This is how I was able to beat BC. As soon as he would grab the ledge again, I would ledge trump him into a Bair, if I was ever given the chance to.
Secondly, if Villager puts up his balloons again when there is already a pair floating about, these new balloons take precedence over the old ones, thus making those old balloons instantly explode wherever they're at. Later on in my sets with BC in GFs is when I started to notice this. If the balloons had ascended enough through the stage from the ledge, Villager could input Up-B again and FORCE them to explode on the spot. But that's just it though. If he inputs his Up-B too early, the balloons will explode below the stage and leave me unaffected. It didn't effect my punishes nearly as much as I originally thought it would, but when I would have to respect his aerials below the ledge at times and not challenge them, it would give the old balloons time to ascend up to me. While it's not the strongest mix-up he has, it's another mix-up to add to the equation, nonetheless.
If you couldn't already tell from all of this, I was most definitely on the offensive pretty much the entirety of my sets against BC. Many of the games I lost to him were to carelessness and over-aggressiveness. But there were times where BC would get back up on the stage and continue his pressure that way, so it wasn't the absolute WORST thing to experience in my life. I honestly believe Villager has a positive match-up ratio on Robin, and while I found my ins-and-outs to his strategy like a REEAAAALLLLL Tactician would, I think it could have been worse. Like I mentioned before, the mix-ups are everywhere, and it's not in a good way either. I'm basically playing a game of Super Ledge Bros. at this point, and let me tell you, it's not that fun. Didn't help that we went 3-2 in WFs, 0-3 in GFs set 1, then 3-2 again in GFs set 2. Thank goodness that this was just at a small local.......
I do not wish to go through this experience again. I believe it is degeneracy. The game we played was different than your typical Smash games. It's not the fact that this is unbeatable, because it isn't. You have to ask yourself, "Why would I ever want to go through this?". Perhaps you may find those that find this type of gameplay enjoyable (namely the ones behind the strategy in the first place), but just know that I am not one of those players. I am in no way talking down on you, BC. Just letting everyone know that I do not support custom moves. Watching Karna lose to players who I believe he's never lost to because of customs doesn't sit well in my book. Yes, you can argue that he didn't know how to deal with custom Villager, but I know good and well that he's the better player here. Maybe he could do better next time against these custom Villagers.
This message he sent me tells me otherwise.
Customs is bad and people should feel bad relying on them to beat people they couldn't before.
Being aggressive against a projectile based character is basically how I dealt with BC at TGC1. Maybe just cause I'm yoshi and can be aggressive while having a decent recovery to get back, but anytime he used rockets I just punished during the animation of pulling it out or chased offstage like a madman.
Though those times usually cause he kept regrabbing the ledge so I tried to punish the no invincibility.
Feel like if I tried this against customs villager (cause exploding balloons) it'd be much more annoying to deal with and the thought of having to play against it makes me wanna second guess going to Houston.
Being aggressive against a projectile based character is basically how I dealt with BC at TGC1. Maybe just cause I'm yoshi and can be aggressive while having a decent recovery to get back, but anytime he used rockets I just punished during the animation of pulling it out or chased offstage like a madman.
Though those times usually cause he kept regrabbing the ledge so I tried to punish the no invincibility.
Feel like if I tried this against customs villager (cause exploding balloons) it'd be much more annoying to deal with and the thought of having to play against it makes me wanna second guess going to Houston.
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RT
Smash Hero
Yeah, again, customs are supposed to make more "varied gameplay," but then you just start promoting very Brawl-ish tactics. That is not varied gameplay, that is just boring gameplay and cheesing for the win and you damn well know it. It's just not fun. But some people will continue to lie to themselves and others because winning and skillz, right gais?!
Somehow, what Xyro says is pretty much true for most pro-custom players.
Slush, at least customs are a minority here. Xyro already said he will never have custom tourneys, so yeah.
Somehow, what Xyro says is pretty much true for most pro-custom players.
Slush, at least customs are a minority here. Xyro already said he will never have custom tourneys, so yeah.
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Customs as a side event seems fine. Having it be the main event...turns smash into something different and will chase many people away from the scene because people will abuse the game mechanics even harder.
I don't argue that customs can be loads of fun. So are final smashes, pokeballs, sudden death, coin battles, and team attack off. Why aren't more people arguing for the inclusion of these things?
Because that's not what we've defined competitive smash to be. Most of the arguing between customs is about this: redefining what super smash brothers is. Many don't want to see this game turned into...a goeey mess, and want the structure of the past. These people are against customs.
Some don't care or don't see the consequences or want this change: these people are pro customs.
I hope smash stays accessible and fun to people. Its almost seems like quality vs quantity: appeal to the masses and sacrifice the quality of the game, or keep the quality of the game and risk possibly not drawing in the large "eports crowd" because the game is "boring".
Interesting that such an option can cause such a major split in this community, I feel like more time is spent arguing about this game then actually learning how to play it
I don't argue that customs can be loads of fun. So are final smashes, pokeballs, sudden death, coin battles, and team attack off. Why aren't more people arguing for the inclusion of these things?
Because that's not what we've defined competitive smash to be. Most of the arguing between customs is about this: redefining what super smash brothers is. Many don't want to see this game turned into...a goeey mess, and want the structure of the past. These people are against customs.
Some don't care or don't see the consequences or want this change: these people are pro customs.
I hope smash stays accessible and fun to people. Its almost seems like quality vs quantity: appeal to the masses and sacrifice the quality of the game, or keep the quality of the game and risk possibly not drawing in the large "eports crowd" because the game is "boring".
Interesting that such an option can cause such a major split in this community, I feel like more time is spent arguing about this game then actually learning how to play it
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
I've told yall since day one they are bad.
It took 5 months for you to figure it out?
It took 5 months for you to figure it out?
No not really, just some people wanna test it out and give a better reasoning on why they're bad when somebody eventually says YOU GUYS HAVEN'T EVEN TRIED CUSTOMS, YOU HAVE NO SAY IN THIS as their argument.
GaiustheThief
Smash Ace
We need more custom Shulk's
You people don't know true jank until you've seen jab kill at 60
You people don't know true jank until you've seen jab kill at 60
Trela
Smash Lord
http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/30ky18/more_japanese_opinions_on_evo_abadango_and/
Nietono with the best response.
"Evo lol"
Nietono with the best response.
"Evo lol"
GaiustheThief
Smash Ace
I remember when I was pro custom
I'm sorry I defacted from you Xyro :'(
I'm sorry I defacted from you Xyro :'(
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
New gens always learn the hard way. They lack the smarts to listen to the elder gods.
UltimateRazer
Smash Champion
I never strayed. I was curious. Saw wtf was happening and stood strong.
Customs are fun, but f them for tournament play.
Customs are fun, but f them for tournament play.
UltimateRazer
Smash Champion
Lol, I've seen him. He probably is the best. I say probably because I don't know what the Japanese are fully capable of.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
How is BC doing at Aftershock?
UltimateRazer
Smash Champion
He's not there. Whispy is tho.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
Wow no one went? Damn. People really do hate customs. YESSSSSSSS
Trela
Smash Lord
BC just beat Karna at that one Katy tournament you guys had in question about the payouts. Don't think they had customs, either.
I think BC saw my post and wasn't very, umm, HAPPY with it.
By the way, Knife, I'm just gonna ride with Gamma to SAM 3 this weekend and skip out on the customs tournament on Sunday. Trying to focus on customs for such a short period of time for only a small handful of tournaments is not worth it to me, really. Kinda lost interest in it all after the tournament last night, too.
Oh, and I COMPLETELY forgot about that Comic Palooza tournament even happening in the first place. Guess I'm not going to Combo Breaker after all. CEO tho.......
I think BC saw my post and wasn't very, umm, HAPPY with it.
By the way, Knife, I'm just gonna ride with Gamma to SAM 3 this weekend and skip out on the customs tournament on Sunday. Trying to focus on customs for such a short period of time for only a small handful of tournaments is not worth it to me, really. Kinda lost interest in it all after the tournament last night, too.
Oh, and I COMPLETELY forgot about that Comic Palooza tournament even happening in the first place. Guess I'm not going to Combo Breaker after all. CEO tho.......
Whispy
Smash Apprentice
Zero and Dabuz...... Olimar /Fox......Op Glitch. ....60% Insane Knockback one hit pikmin... lol. wow..
Zori
Smash Champion
And it was at this moment customs were banned
Whispy
Smash Apprentice
That match was to see who would take 1st for pools, but top 2 advance so we are good. I made it first in my pool for singles thoo o: but that was literally 5 hours ago or so... lol. I came to see how customs are, and im not a fan lol...idk if im terrible, or the customs are just too overpowered. im having fun regardless and im gunna try my best >
Whispy
Smash Apprentice
ChaosPandora
Smash Rookie
Forget customs
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
Trela, ride with me
Trela
Smash Lord
........no