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Nice read, but...
What the ****?About 10 years ago, I was extremelly racist against blacks and jews.
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What the ****?About 10 years ago, I was extremelly racist against blacks and jews.
True, but I think the point is to save everyone of the trouble of women sending the wrong signals, and of men interpreting behavior poorly.Very interesting read, Fatman. Very valid points, but the bottom line is, if a woman doesn't like you, she won't date you or have intercourse with you regardless of what she does or wears.
In Crashic's defense, there is an entire school of thought that everyone is really equal at bottom. It's not something I agree with, but it pretty much forms the basis for a surprising amount of opinions and policy.Men and women are not equal, you pretentious clod. To presume that a man can do everything that a woman can do, and just as well; and vice versa, is a completely ludicrous position to take.
Men are much better at women at certain things, just as women are infinitely better than men at other things. I know you perceive yourself as a crusader for equality: throwing yourself into issues of sexism and converting the heathens; but really, you are not any better than the rest of us.
So you're arguing that I should treat everyone the same despite the fact that people are different? There's the Golden Rule but that clearly isn't what you're talking about. You're talking about pretending that everybody should be dealt with in the same manner regardless of personality and life experiences. In other words, political correctness gone mad. Remember, when everybody is special, no one is.Its from the same sentence. Both are broad generalizations so that you can pretend to have some great insight about people, when its really no more valid than the ambiqidious statements of horoscopes. Its plain stupidity and ignorance of the most destructive degree, because it influences how you treat people on a day to day basis, and shows that you clearly treat men and women differently, and not as people, but as men and women, even if you aren't aware of it.
I was a huge racist and I can fully admit that now. It took me about 8 years to fully forgive myself and begin talking about it with other people. As I often say, I like to be honest about myself. Nobody has a completely clean slate and I believe it's nessecary to reveal disgraceful things about yourself from time to time. Why? Because it gives you better insight on yourself and how far you've come in life. I also think it's important to share to help others avoid the same mistake.Nice read, but...
What the ****?
This.True, but I think the point is to save everyone of the trouble of women sending the wrong signals, and of men interpreting behavior poorly.
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I want to hear it from you, though. lolThis.
That's not the point of this thread though. It's to show that signs can be misleading so you have to be careful as not to end up landing in a very awkward or potentially ego damaging situation. (Ie; asking out girl only to find she had no interest what-so-ever or a girl attracting guys she'd rather not attract). Also, regarding your comment, you'd be surprized. I've run into several girls who have dated guys despite not being interested in them because they had other motives.I want to hear it from you, though. lol
That's a golddigger, like me. Different story. d:I've run into several girls who have dated guys despite not being interested in them because they had other motives.
Well, personally, I've never run into a golddigger. I have run into girls who have dated guys because:That's a golddigger, like me. Different story. d:
It's kind of a ridiculous notion.In Crashic's defense, there is an entire school of thought that everyone is really equal at bottom. It's not something I agree with, but it pretty much forms the basis for a surprising amount of opinions and policy.
Maybe, but people hold it sincerely.It's kind of a ridiculous notion.
Stem from the the Clean Slate belief that humans are shaped by their experiences or are there really people who, for no apparent reason, believe that humans as a whole are at their core exactly the same? Is there a different belief that makes them think this? I want to know.In Crashic's defense, there is an entire school of thought that everyone is really equal at bottom. It's not something I agree with, but it pretty much forms the basis for a surprising amount of opinions and policy.
They should be treated as people, which you aren't allowing them to be. You are boxing and classifying them, treating them with prejudice based on your incredibly limited past experiences. Its not about being politically correct, its about treating people like people. Not women, not men, not blacks, not whites, but people. If you think I'm politically correct than you don't know me very well. I left Smashboards for a while because I got tired of always playing the PC route on here.So you're arguing that I should treat everyone the same despite the fact that people are different?
I really don't know where it comes from. You'd have to ask someone who believes it.Well i meant does
Stem from the the Clean Slate belief that humans are shaped by their experiences or are there really people who, for no apparent reason, believe that humans as a whole are at their core exactly the same? Is there a different belief that makes them think this? I want to know.
Recognizing difference does not presuppose prejudice. It often leads in that direction, but it's not a foregone conclusion that it will. Like in the ERA example, you have to treat women differently than men because women get pregnant. That is a biological difference that informs all matter of cultural and social differences between men and women. Saying "treat people like people" completely ignores that we are in fact not the same.They should be treated as people, which you aren't allowing them to be. You are boxing and classifying them, treating them with prejudice based on your incredibly limited past experiences. Its not about being politically correct, its about treating people like people. Not women, not men, not blacks, not whites, but people. If you think I'm politically correct than you don't know me very well. I left Smashboards for a while because I got tired of always playing the PC route on here.
Someone having a ****** doesn't make them a magic pixie fairy, and someone being Asian doesn't make them a Street Fighter god. Other than physical traits, there are NO traits that you can shove off on sex and race. Black people like chicken, but so does everybody.
Define people. Dictionary.com define people as simply human beings. That's about vanilla of an answer as you can give. Again, you're denying the fact that not everyone is the same and that there are differences that set people apart. An apple is a fruit but so is a pineapple. A dog is an animal but so is a penguin. Water is a liquid but so is battery acid. Are all fruits the same? Are all animals the same? Are all liquids the same? Is every penguin the same? No. Are there similarities that you can find between it and other penguins? You bet.They should be treated as people, which you aren't allowing them to be. You are boxing and classifying them, treating them with prejudice based on your incredibly limited past experiences. Its not about being politically correct, its about treating people like people. Not women, not men, not blacks, not whites, but people. If you think I'm politically correct than you don't know me very well. I left Smashboards for a while because I got tired of always playing the PC route on here.
Someone having a ****** doesn't make them a magic pixie fairy, and someone being Asian doesn't make them a Street Fighter god. Other than physical traits, there are NO traits that you can shove off on sex and race. Black people like chicken, but so does everybody.
I don't want anyone's opinions to match mine. I'm incredibly racist and have large scorn for my own race (white), am heavily bias towards women, and neither of these are parts of myself that I am proud of. Despite these shameful parts of myself, I don't attempt to rationalize them by pretending to have some great insight into people based on my very limited (and everyone is limited when it comes to understanding other people) experiences.It also has to be asked, why do you want my opinions to change? Are you genuinely concerned about my conduct (which you insist is intolerate and potentially dangerous) or are you more concerned that my opinions don't match yours?
1. You kind of defeat your own crusade in the first paragraph. You're racist and sexist and, despite the fact that you're not proud of it, you have decided to remain that way fully knowing that it's not a good way to live. It's the equivalent of drinking bleach. You know it's bad because your stomach burns like wildfire and you're throwing up like crazy but you continue to do it anyways. When you're racist and sexist, you do pretend that you have great insight because you believe that you've essentially completely figured them out thus justifying your beliefs. You really don't believe in exceptions. You probably hate white people based on the concept of white guilt. Yeah, white people have done bad things but so has every other culture. You're probably sexist based on your own life experiences. You view both groups negatively even if particuarly individuals have never even been in your life. You draw direct lines between these groups. Whites----> bad. Women----> bad. It's odd if anything that I'm such an evil person when you knowingly categorize more than half of the world's population as evil. It's weird because you're suggesting complete political correctness despite being racist/sexist yourself. You're not just trolling me, right?I don't want anyone's opinions to match mine. I'm incredibly racist and have large scorn for my own race (white), am heavily bias towards women, and neither of these are parts of myself that I am proud of. Despite these shameful parts of myself, I don't attempt to rationalize them by pretending to have some great insight into people based on my very limited (and everyone is limited when it comes to understanding other people) experiences.
What you are talking about is not physical traits, its nothing genetic, its the very basis of their being and you attempting to pin point them and place their actions into a category. "Why did he do that? Oh yeah, because he's a male." This is horrible way to classify people's actions, because in truth it has nothing to do with being male or female. Who a person is can be defined as the actions and decisions they make, it has nothing to do with being male or female. The fact that I have a ***** has nothing to do with the person I am. In fact, in our society, I'm pretty sure I would be far better off being born a woman. (that had nothing to do with my sexual preferences). Being born a man certainly doesn't influence me as a person except for the pressure the society I'm born into. The only exceptions come from very select, very few genetic instincts such as the maternal instinct.
You brought up animals, well let me bring up an example of how this even applies to animals. Male baboons are known for being incredibly violent. A professor from Standard was studying one of the most violent tribes ever recorded. When they attacked a local village, the people went and killed all their adult males. As the young males aged and progressed, they suddenly became the most peaceful baboon tribe ever seen. Males were grooming males, which doesn't sound a big deal considering the behavior of most primates, but this is actually as major shift as would be sharks becoming playful with humans. Even in prim-apes, attempting to justify their decisions based on their species or gender can prove impossible when there is a societal influence.
Its not that easy. I can't simply say "Oh, I'm wrong, I'll stop doing that now." It becomes an innate reaction, no matter what bread the reaction. I struggle every day to remove this from myself, and it is no easier than quitting a narcotic. Its a battle and an uphill one at that.1. You kind of defeat your own crusade in the first paragraph. You're racist and sexist and, despite the fact that you're not proud of it, you have decided to remain that way fully knowing that it's not a good way to live.
True racism and sexism is more than a belief, its a pattern of thought. Breaking any habbit of the mind is an inner civil war. I recognize that the thoughts and uncalled for and invalid, but that doesn't mean I can rid myself of this behavior so easily.When you're racist and sexist, you do pretend that you have great insight because you believe that you've essentially completely figured them out thus justifying your beliefs.
Ya know that's an awfully racist assumption to make, right? My problem has nothing to do with the sins of my forefathers, because hell, their ****ing Scandinavians. The only trouble we've ever given the world is writing too much music and ****in around with the Russians.You probably hate white people based on the concept of white guilt.
Again, you aren't talking about those things. you aren't talking about instincts. If you were talking about macho men in a bar, if you were talking abuot the so called "***** wars" between women in a social environment, then you'd have something. You aren't. These are not at all things related to instinct.What, you don't think humans have instincts either? You don't think they have things that get indoctrined into them from a young age?
That doesn't lesser the severity. Nico, one of the most famous racist went on a rant about jews to her current lover, a jew himself, at the end he asked, "but what about me?" "Oh no, I didn't mean you." Implying that there is an exception applies that there is a norm, implying that their is a norm is harmful to the individual.3. I have noted now several times that exceptions do exist and should be looked out for. That's essentially what the last paragraph of the essay says. For whatever reason, you insist that I keep saying that these traits show in everyone of a particular sex.
1. I was ***** by one of my male babysitters when I was 10 and I don't hate men because of it. Really, what's your excuse for continuing to be sexist? I used to cuss several hundred times a day and then on April 17th, 2002 I stopped cold turkey to impress a girl and have only cussed accidently 3-4 times since then. You're making it sound way harder then it really is. Truth be told, you probably don't want to change. Also, being an alcoholic or addicted to narcotics is a chemical addiction, being sexist/racist is not; sorry, not the same. It's more like thinking "oh, I can't change" rather then "oh, I can change."Its not that easy. I can't simply say "Oh, I'm wrong, I'll stop doing that now." It becomes an innate reaction, no matter what bread the reaction. I struggle every day to remove this from myself, and it is no easier than quitting a narcotic. Its a battle and an uphill one at that.
True racism and sexism is more than a belief, its a pattern of thought. Breaking any habbit of the mind is an inner civil war. I recognize that the thoughts and uncalled for and invalid, but that doesn't mean I can rid myself of this behavior so easily.
Ya know that's an awfully racist assumption to make, right? My problem has nothing to do with the sins of my forefathers, because hell, their ****ing Scandinavians. The only trouble we've ever given the world is writing too much music and ****in around with the Russians.
Also, you got it backwards, I'm sexist in favor of women, probably because I wish I was one.
Again, you aren't talking about those things. you aren't talking about instincts. If you were talking about macho men in a bar, if you were talking abuot the so called "***** wars" between women in a social environment, then you'd have something. You aren't. These are not at all things related to instinct.
Also, don't bother bringing up sociology, that field's as much a joke as psychology. They aren't considered true sciences for a reason, because they aren't.
That doesn't lesser the severity. Nico, one of the most famous racist went on a rant about jews to her current lover, a jew himself, at the end he asked, "but what about me?" "Oh no, I didn't mean you." Implying that there is an exception applies that there is a norm, implying that their is a norm is harmful to the individual.
Example: Black girl in my old school. Dates white guys because she prefers their featurs. Is a cheerleader, dresses preppy, does other things along that line. People say she's "trying to act white." Here we see the problem in recognizing exceptions.
Honestly, the fact that you honestly believe that black people like chicken more than anyone else pretty much shows how horrible you really are. Coming from someone who was born in the food industry, from a family who built Waffle House and Huddle House from the literal ground up, I can assure you, black people order no more chicken than the rest of our customers, and we serve a large portion of black people, given that we cater to the lower classes.
SOCIOLOGY ISN'T REGUARDED AS A REAL SCIENCE, ITS CALLED A SOCIAL SCIENCE FOR A REASON, WHICH CLASSIFIES IT AS NOT A TRUE SCIENCE. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. IT IS OFFICIALLY NOT A TRUE SCIENCE.
Honestly, **** you fat *****. I wasn't mad until now, but you have truly exposed yourself as a high and mighty pompous mother ****er, making assumptions upon my personal struggles, making completely obscene statements and saying "they're just my observations,"as if your limited observations has true weight or value, and even more justifiing the classification of people as a good and just act.
There is no greater crime against individuality that you can commit than racial or sexual profiling. You aren't treating people on a day to day basis as individuals but as preset boxes in which you fill your presumptions about them. The world and the people fear you, and so you simplify it by classifing and boxing in people you haven't even met. You justify this by saying "Its true" and then use the actions, thoughts, and words that are in truth sexist and racist to exemplify that it must be true. There is NO LOGICAL reason to believe that black people like chicken more than anyone else. Fried Chicken is a local meal in the south, and an incredibly large portion of the African American population lives in the south. It use to be a regional thing, now Fried Chicken is everywhere thanks to the world becoming a smaller place. There's no reason to believe that jews hoard their money either, except that its something you heard. What you hear isn't the truth, what you see is only on perspective.
You are inhibiting people of their given right to be individuals and putting false, non-existent labels on them.
1. Sociology is still a science. Your arguement was that it wasn't a real science.SOCIOLOGY ISN'T REGUARDED AS A REAL SCIENCE, ITS CALLED A SOCIAL SCIENCE FOR A REASON, WHICH CLASSIFIES IT AS NOT A TRUE SCIENCE. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. IT IS OFFICIALLY NOT A TRUE SCIENCE.
Honestly, **** you fat *****. I wasn't mad until now, but you have truly exposed yourself as a high and mighty pompous mother ****er, making assumptions upon my personal struggles, making completely obscene statements and saying "they're just my observations,"as if your limited observations has true weight or value, and even more justifiing the classification of people as a good and just act.
There is no greater crime against individuality that you can commit than racial or sexual profiling. You aren't treating people on a day to day basis as individuals but as preset boxes in which you fill your presumptions about them. The world and the people fear you, and so you simplify it by classifing and boxing in people you haven't even met. You justify this by saying "Its true" and then use the actions, thoughts, and words that are in truth sexist and racist to exemplify that it must be true. There is NO LOGICAL reason to believe that black people like chicken more than anyone else. Fried Chicken is a local meal in the south, and an incredibly large portion of the African American population lives in the south. It use to be a regional thing, now Fried Chicken is everywhere thanks to the world becoming a smaller place. There's no reason to believe that jews hoard their money either, except that its something you heard. What you hear isn't the truth, what you see is only on perspective.
You are inhibiting people of their given right to be individuals and putting false, non-existent labels on them.