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Smash Lord
Pluvia, I don't care what your friend has to say on the subject. What makes his word any better then mine? Anecdotal evidence has no place in a serious debate.
Check out this source I dug up from an old debate on homosexuals raising kids (that I posted back then):
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/_PDFArchives/streams-of-life/SL1W0903.pdf
-blazed
Edit: The link has been fixed, my bad...
Check out this source I dug up from an old debate on homosexuals raising kids (that I posted back then):
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/_PDFArchives/streams-of-life/SL1W0903.pdf
Actual evidence, with reliable numbers CLEARLY showing that AT LEAST an environmental influence exists.VII. Can Homosexuals Change?
If it can be shown that practicing lifetime homosexuals do change their sexual orientation,
this is a devastating blow to the homosexual movement. This is what research reveals:
• Schwartz and Masters (of the 1984 Masters and Johnson’s Institute Report) revealed
a 79.9% success rate of homosexuals changing their sexual orientation to
heterosexuality. Their five-year follow-up rate was an impressive 71.6%.3
• Dr. van den Aardweg (1986) reported a 65% success rate.4
• Joe Dallas, President of Exodus International, noted the following:
The fact remains that there are many people who are homosexual and are dissatisfied
with their orientation and for those people who want to change, help is available. Now, that is
not just one man’s opinion here. We know that from the writings of Masters and Johnson,
Charles Socarides, Irving Bieber, Dr. Elizabeth Moberly, Dr. Joseph Nicolosi. Dr. Lawrence
Hatterer, just to name a few.5
• Dr. Nicolosi stated:
I have worked with about 175 men to date and I can say in terms of claims of cure that
when the men stay with me, in a matter of months they begin to experience change in their
life.6
Thus:
About half as many people are ex-gays as [are] possessed by the homosexual habit.
Many exhomosexuals are involved in Homosexuals Anonymous or the host of other
programs that work to cure homosexuality. Just like Alcoholics Anonymous, not everyone
who attends these programs is cured. As with alcoholism, it is essential that once stopped
the habit never be fed, and there are those who regress. Abandoning homosexual habits,
like quitting drinking, can be done and is done by tens of thousands each year. Breaking
homosexual habits without the assistance of religious involvement is more problematic, but
even conventional psychotherapy claims about a 30% cure rate.7
If many different researchers over the years have seen thousands of homosexuals
change to heterosexuality and if this has been personally attested to by the homosexuals
themselves and their spouses, on what basis can any individual claim that homosexuals
can never change?
According to the Guttmacher Institute no more than 6% of adults had any same sex
experiences. In addition, less than 1% of adults were exclusively homosexual. What this
means is that 5% of adults with previous same sex experiences were no longer homosexual.
Isn’t it significant that 5% of those who have tried homosexuality are now ex-homosexuals?
In other words, this means there are actually more ex-homosexuals than there
are homosexuals.
In the 1983 Family Research Institute survey of 4,340 adults:
• 82% of those currently lesbian and 66% of those currently gay said that they had
been in love with someone of the opposite sex,
• 67% of lesbians and 54% of gays reported current sexual attractions to the opposite
sex,
• 85% of lesbians and 54% of gays, as adults, had sexual relations with someone of
the opposite sex.
It would thus seem there are more people who have tried and left homosexuality than
those who remain homosexuals.8
Irving Bieber asserts, “We have followed some patients for as long as 10 years who
have remained exclusively heterosexual.”9 Describing two books he has edited, Fantasy,
Reality and the Creative Arts and The Homosexualities in the Therapeutic Process, Dr.
Socarides observes, “These two books contain the work of over 30 psychoanalysis—
eminent teachers and psychoanalysis and medical men throughout this country—and they
all attest to the fact that homosexuality is a psychopathological condition that can be altered
if someone knows how to alter it.”10
-blazed
Edit: The link has been fixed, my bad...