Holy Crap, IGN <3's P:M!

[Brookman]

coo l!!!

 

[himynameisruss]

I completely agree, but it's up to Nintendo to decide whether or not they feel their IP and brand identity are misrepresented. While I don't know whether or not Nintendo is anal about this sort of thing, reducing the complexity of this issue to just a top line sales argument just seems bit naive.

or you can either:

1. play project melee
2. don't play project melee
or
3. stop being the negative guy that no one actually likes, at all



this thread got off-topic real quick-like

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

They have said that they plan to release a demo 3 when possible

Sauce?

Btw, Jalued, how's your TV?

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

When you play a game for 10 years, ANY deviation from the holy standard is BAD.
Most people are used to Melee graphics, character design and sounds, and because there's deviation it must be bad. Not that I don't disagree on people, I also think Melee graphics/characters/sounds are better, but I still recognize the psychological reasons behind my bias.

Trust me, you get used to ALOT when you play P:M a bit. Yes, even the graphics. I'm starting to like Brawl graphics and some things in P:M/Brawl graphics look BETTER than in Melee.

 

[gm jack]

The graphical changes don't really bother me. All that gets me is how smooth melee feels when you go back to it, and P:M doesn't quite replicate that yet. That said, it is still a fantastic game, and some polish once they finish the roster/first attempts at balancing should be all that is needed to make it brilliant.

 

[The Star King]

or you can either:

1. play project melee
2. don't play project melee
or
3. stop being the negative guy that no one actually likes, at all



this thread got off-topic real quick-like

You're the negative guy nobody likes lol. emilywaves was discussing a legitimate potential issue and you dismiss the relevant posts for no reason

 

[Varist]

or you can either:

1. play project melee
2. don't play project melee
or
3. stop being the negative guy that no one actually likes, at all



this thread got off-topic real quick-like

that feel when not as smart as emilywaves

 

[Bing]

that feel when not as smart as emilywaves

The feeling when you notice Varist used incorrect grammar while saying someone what not as intelligent as someone else.

 

[The Star King]

that feel when Bing thinks poor grammar on the internet means a lack of intelligence

that feel when Bing doesn't usually have good grammar

that feel when Bing ironically used the wrong word

 

[Bing]

Man I thought you were cool D:

 

[Bones0]

Varist white-knighting it up in here.

 

[jalued]

Sauce?

Btw, Jalued, how's your TV?

it was announced on the PM forum about a day after demo 2 came out.

My TV is still black and white, but I'm getting my mums old one next week, which works in colour :D

 

[KrIsP!]

or you can either:

1. play project melee
2. don't play project melee
or
3. stop being the negative guy that no one actually likes, at all



this thread got off-topic real quick-like

das a gurll.,

Unless saying you've lost your virginity to someone you met through smash and making your user-name emily means she's a girl trapped in a man's body. Oh what have I done? I forgot the rule of thumb on the internet, all girls are guys.

 

[emilywaves]

or you can either:

1. play project melee
2. don't play project melee
or
3. stop being the negative guy that no one actually likes, at all



this thread got off-topic real quick-like

It's perfectly fine if you want to remain ignorant of how relevant industry issues operate. If you don't like me, just ignore my posts.

das a gurll.,

Unless saying you've lost your virginity to someone you met through smash and making your user-name emily means she's a girl trapped in a man's body. Oh what have I done? I forgot the rule of thumb on the internet, all girls are guys.

The truth is, nobody really knows.

 

[himynameisruss]

that feel when not as smart as emilywaves

what?

i understand completely what he's saying. that wasn't the point.

"oh, there's this modification for a game out there that modifies the engine in such a way that in no way permanently effects the game in any way, is in no way trying to profit out of it and actually helps nintendo due to the fact that people are actually buying a wii and a copy of brawl so they can play it. but due to the fact that it's a modification, i don't like it."

i feel it's quite obvious that nintendo could put an end to this project if they really wanted, i don't think we need someone in the thread spewing this information in twenty posts re-iterating the same statement over and over. enjoy the game or don't, and, if the latter, get out of the thread. you're not even working on the project so even if nintendo did try something, it wouldn't effect you in the slightest.

i hate people who will find the negatives in anything positive. sorry.


also, that feel when counter-strike and dota were both originally non-profit fan-made modifications of a game that, not only became extremely popular and caused a very high amount of extra purchases for the original game from which it was modified, but is now supported completely by the company who created the original game.


edit

correct me on whether or not a random poster is a male or female, couldn't care less. everyone is a male on the internet.

 

[Blu]

Russ gettin busy.

 

[emilywaves]

Ugh, I agree, this is a stupid discussion.

 

[Shadic]

Why has this discussion gotten so dumb?

P:M, not the argumentative process and gender debates, please. <3

P:M is rad. Link is good. Yay balance!

 

[himynameisruss]

Why has this discussion gotten so dumb?

P:M, not the argumentative process and gender debates, please. <3

P:M is rad. Link is good. Yay balance!

pit's a bawss, you guys are the best.

 

[Kal]

This just goes to show you, intellectual property is bull ****, copyright law is bull ****, and **** Disney.

 

[Strong Badam]

Yo
Disney
Made some good movies

 

[Kal]

They
Also
Bribed some congressmen

 

[Jonas]

PM is actually infringing copyright, unless the PMBR has asked Konami if it's ok to use their Castlevania logo.

 

[Strong Badam]

PM is actually infringing copyright, unless the PMBR has asked Konami if it's ok to use their Castlevania logo.

Did you ask Legendary Pictures if you could use that picture as your avatar?

 

[Jonas]

Did you ask Legendary Pictures if you could use that picture as your avatar?

I consider it "fair use"

 

[The Star King]

what?

i understand completely what he's saying. that wasn't the point.

"oh, there's this modification for a game out there that modifies the engine in such a way that in no way permanently effects the game in any way, is in no way trying to profit out of it and actually helps nintendo due to the fact that people are actually buying a wii and a copy of brawl so they can play it. but due to the fact that it's a modification, i don't like it."

i feel it's quite obvious that nintendo could put an end to this project if they really wanted, i don't think we need someone in the thread spewing this information in twenty posts re-iterating the same statement over and over. enjoy the game or don't, and, if the latter, get out of the thread. you're not even working on the project so even if nintendo did try something, it wouldn't effect you in the slightest.

i hate people who will find the negatives in anything positive. sorry.


also, that feel when counter-strike and dota were both originally non-profit fan-made modifications of a game that, not only became extremely popular and caused a very high amount of extra purchases for the original game from which it was modified, but is now supported completely by the company who created the original game.


edit

correct me on whether or not a random poster is a male or female, couldn't care less. everyone is a male on the internet.

"i understood what he's saying completely"
*misunderstands completely*

Where did emilywaves say anything along the lines of "i don't like it"? She was just pointing out that Nintendo can definitely pursue the issue and threaten the project if they so choose, in accordance with the law.

It's not being negative, it's stating fact. She's not making pessimistic predictions, she's only pointing out the possibility (and the topic was brought up by someone else). You're the one causing negativity, in the form of starting a stupid fruitless argument.

 

[Kal]

Careful Jonas, Legendary Pictures will consider your posts derivative works and start seizing Smashboards.

Also, russ is kind of a negative guy.

 

[ph00tbag]

lol, I was just saying that I would have no qualms letting Nintendo know how stupid they were being if they told the PMBR to stop working on P:M. I could care less if they had a legitimate reason to do so. I do think emilywaves is being pretty naive if she thinks any company cares about anything other than bottom line, even when they talk idealistically about their brand experience.

Although there is merit to the argument that Konami may have issue with the use of the Castlevania logo. They may have given Nintendo a Metal Gear license, so they get royalties on Brawl, but I doubt Castlevania was licensed for P:M, and sales that can be said to be caused by P:M's presence can also be said not to be paying royalties due for the use of the logo.

In that light, it may actually be prudent for Nintendo to take legal action, if only for the sake of due diligence.

But I don't really know the status of Nintendo and the Castlevania license, so I can really only speculate.

 

[Strong Badam]

Here's the twist: Konami owns PMBR

zomg wtf bbq

 

[emilywaves]

lol, I was just saying that I would have no qualms letting Nintendo know how stupid they were being if they told the PMBR to stop working on P:M. I could care less if they had a legitimate reason to do so. I do think emilywaves is being pretty naive if she thinks any company cares about anything other than bottom line, even when they talk idealistically about their brand experience.

Sure the bottom line is the most important thing to a company, but it is not the only thing. Many firms believe that brand identity => top line sales. If a company literally only cared about profit, they would just liquidate, but obviously things like long term growth, sustainable business models and brand identity get in the way of that. There is so much more to what a company does insofar as sales are concerned. I work with executives and hear them talk about strategic initiatives and profit drivers all day and can tell you that it's not just profit, profit, profit coming out of their mouths.

 

[Jonas]

Yeah I can definitely see Nintendo taking issue with someone completely redefining one of their products so it's no longer in line with their business strategy, which in this case seems to be distancing themselves from competitive and "hardcore" gaming, whatever reasons they have for that.
Still, this isn't the first time the project's gotten media attention, and if Nintendo hasn't taken any legal action now, I doubt they're going to.

Careful Jonas, Legendary Pictures will consider your posts derivative works and start seizing Smashboards.

Also, russ is kind of a negative guy.

Loool I'm dying here

Here's the twist: Konami owns PMBR

zomg wtf bbq

I did not see that coming

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

thats pretty awesome

 

[UltiMario]

Here's the twist: Konami owns PMBR

zomg wtf bbq

Then why was Snake so bad in Demo 1?

 

[Shadic]

Then why was Snake so bad in Demo 1?

Same reason Kirby was so bad in Melee.

Makes sense now, don't it?

 

[Pichu4SSB4]

Same reason Kirby was so bad in Melee.

Makes sense now, don't it?

Kirby's dash attack in Melee... is painfull to watch, so is his suicidegrab.

 

[ph00tbag]

Sure the bottom line is the most important thing to a company, but it is not the only thing. Many firms believe that brand identity => top line sales. If a company literally only cared about profit, they would just liquidate, but obviously things like long term growth, sustainable business models and brand identity get in the way of that. There is so much more to what a company does insofar as sales are concerned. I work with executives and hear them talk about strategic initiatives and profit drivers all day and can tell you that it's not just profit, profit, profit coming out of their mouths.

You're not actually listening to them, then. Creating a positive brand experience generates repeat sales, boosting revenues for a minimum increase in overhead, leading to a greater increase in net profit. When businesspeople talk about building a brand, they're talking about creating a sales-driving tool. No more, no less.

 

[emilywaves]

Except sales !=profit. Yes, they are correlated, but driving sales is not the same as driving profit. For example at my company, our shareholders tend to look at one number, comp sales. We could theoretically sell a large number of high ticket items with low margin and our stock would go up. We could have lower sales with higher margin and come out more profitable and our stock could go down (this actually happened in the last two years).

But that aside, people always talk about why mlg doesn't host old games like melee or halo 2 anymore, or why Nintendo isn't supportive of competitive melee when it could be profitable for them. But 1. Its just not as profitable as a lot of people think, 2. Theres a lot of work that goes into these kinds of retro things and most companies will want to use that energy to promote their new products, and theres probably a zillion other reasons why.

The point here is that reducing the debate to "well it will be profitable to nintendo to do this" is overly simplistic and I doubt anyone here has done any kind of modeling on the impacts of sales anyway.

 

[ph00tbag]

Because the difference between assets and liabilities doesn't happen to equal profit. Not at all.

 

[Strong Badam]

I'm just confused. Is this Melee Discussion or the Debate Hall?

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

I'm just confused. Is this Melee Discussion or the Debate Hall?

People need time but don't worry, eventually everyone will love Project M.
If it doesn't come from the heart, we will force it down on their throats.
How can you not LOVE project M, you ungrateful, psychologically-Melee-biased people?!?


This post contains a good load of irony, read it carefully.