Higurashi Mafia - Game Over! Who won?

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I even explained those were leans and not concrete. I really don't see any merit in the scum-reads on Felipe/Myself either....oh looky here, we have a similar problem. =P

The issue is even for leans there is no reason for it.

What has Ori done that makes him leaning town, noobtown? No way, Auspher fits that, Ori does not fit that. So what has he done that deserves it.

CK has made 2 actual posts, maybe 3, he's done nothing of content that is to be putting him in the area of town.

These are reads that make me question you, because they have done nothing to be deserving of trust.

Gheb make a case/push on me? That's a little funny. Convenient? I don't like that you say that, it's like beating a dead horse at this point cuz no it's not.

Don't strawman me.

They made pushes on you and turned to scum picks, just like you did with me.

First thing, don't treat it like that then.

TM, there could be town intent behind because he may be hell-bent on my lynch just for the sake of lynching me. Gheb could possibly be dummy over scummy but I have more hope for his intellect. That's why I have them as leans, because I do see the town intent. There's the difference between town/null-leaning and scum/null-leaning.

There is, but even leaning I can't see where you are getting reads like what I pointed out.

That I said are subject to change. I don't really get what you mean by "okay to hop on to Ori/CK as town leans." because no one else has voiced these opinions yet.

They can be, but your not addressing the main problem I have with you.

Your premature town reads on people who do not deserve such. I don't care what others list for this, because I am not getting where you are getting reads like this.

I am by what has happened. That's it. Just like you are.

I have been asking questions but look where that gets me. A whole lot of nothing. Hmmmm.

You posted a few questions, many of which lead nowhere. From it all you had no scum reads at all to look at.

This post screams n00b town not knowing wtf to do. Look at his reasoning for his Swords vote that gives me the "He's town" goose-bumps.

Elaborate on this.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Is it just me or is Ori playing the noobcard a bit? His posts have been few and far inbetween. He comments about being busy more than actual contribution and it feels like he's trying too hard to fit in.


Below are all his posts past RVS/confirmation stage. I see more of him talking about why he's busy than about the game. He notes his intuition and vibes which seems a way to state a stance with no substance.

I'm starting to agree with this to be frank.

CK is staying null since he has a reason for it, Ori really isn't giving content with a bunch of catch-up posts.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Hey J, you know i am just voting to save my own ***, nothing personal bro, if i see the wagon takes another direction i will unvote.

I saw you look and leave when I posted my huge post to Ryker, why is this kid null at all to Ryker.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I know this is directed at J, but is it really so bad to have town reads D1? Why did you not bring that up when I put up my reads post? Because I'm pretty sure that I had a lot of town reads.

Having town reads was never the problem it was having it on people who don't deserve it at all.

Can you honestly tell me, CK and Ori are leaning town from the posts they have made?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Better idea, tell me why he's not scum.

Give us your votes!

You need a case before you can lynch someone.

Give it.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

He gets a free pass for being ******** because he has a history of being ********. Same as Joey.

List me games in the past where people let me get away with stupid crap.

I expect them to be recent games, where people let me live as scum after doing stupid ****.

He has zero history as town and doesn't receive the same benefits. Plus, his wagon has actually gained speed. I will bet you right now, ten dollars says there's scum on his wagon at the moment.

Awkward mafia. And ignoring this, why does the first matter.

And why does the second statement matter, I'll bet you there isn't a single game in DGames where scum wasn't voting on a popular wagon at some point.

Because these wagons suck ***. Joey or Sang would be acceptable alternatives.

Explain why they suck.

Not scummy.

The only thing you have are his limited reads. I don't expect earth shattering reads from him. Not a reason to vote him.

The saving his own hide thing is certainly not scummy.

Read my #719

Sword, you need to not be scum. Stop it.

Sang, what has RR done for town?

I've given stances and asked questions to learn of people's alignment.

That RVS stage discussion was ATROCIOUS. Staying in RVS is the opposite of what town wants. Yes, information obtained there can be useful, but not NEARLY as useful as information obtained elsewhere. Scum want to stay in RVS to limit information flow.

Is RR trying to further his reads or pushing with a conclusion already in mind?

What benefit did we having leaving it that early, I never suggested we stay in it, I suggested we wait for others to post whom haven't at the time. I even addressed this when asked early.

Town wants a middle ground, not ending RvS too early and not too late. Don't leave that out and pretend I didn't say this because it is a bald face lie.

Second part is pure WIFOM.

Lol, maybe you are scum after all? Off the top of your head, what does RR think about anyone who isn't J or RR? You have two minutes to answer.

I'll answer this since your an idiot.

Stances I've given in this game.

Auspher - town
TM - Town
Swords - scum (now null)
Felipe - scum (I was one of the first if not the first to push his lynch)
J - Scum
Joey - town
Crimson King - null

Don't lie to get a lynch.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Unvote

Vote: Red Ryu

Beeeheheehehehehe

And yeah, thats was sheep

Seriously, he's done this the whole game.

Ryker what is good for town with this? You said he would do this as scum like he did in the newbie game, what separates him here from that?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Falsity false false falsey-false.

I won't cry over a Felipe vig, but he's not the play today. None of that "info" you gain is going to stick and I find it highly unlikely that scum would let him get this close when there are so many other options?

Why do you disagree with this paragraph?

You need to explain this here.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Felipe's posts make me want to puke. He spends a lot of time accusing Auspher of sheeping yet look at all of his recent votes. Felipe makes a big deal of how he's only voting J to save his own *** without giving any reads or questions of his own. And he spends several posts only talking about how he has no internet.

He seems to be voting on popular wagons (like his Gheb, J, and RR votes).

I don't like him. Don't like him one bit.

VOTE FELIPE

Pretty much this.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm going to do BBR stuff, I'll be back later.

 

[Dooms]

RR, how do you feel about TM after all of your posts?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

@RR - Lol, both of the scenarios you outlined would've been perfectly fine had people been able to recognize a null tell for what it is.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

You need a case before you can lynch someone.

Give it.

Challenge accepted.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

This is why I'm at a loss at the mindset of some of these votes. The lynch is so freaking clear!!

What do you mean by this?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

RR, how do you feel about TM after all of your posts?

Still town, I see his intent.

But he's being a moron.

@RR - Lol, both of the scenarios you outlined would've been perfectly fine had people been able to recognize a null tell for what it is.

If it was a null tell it would favor neither town nor scum, what does town gain from a mislynch of another townie to save one whom puts his safety as a VT about anyone else, even a cop in one situation.

Scum doesn't care if you mislynch a townie to save yourself, if anything they gain from it.

What does town gain from keeping Felipe alive who puts his own survival above scum hunting whom continues to be a hindrance to town with sheeping and bandwagoning?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

While I'm catching up, tell me what separates me and Felipe, every point your brought up about me is exactly the **** he's done this game.

He's also been town in Awekard mafia you moron. I'm absolutely disgusted you are defending this mindset at all.

I know your skimming again Ryker.

Answer this.

 

[felipe_9595]

RR, man,you are funny. I dont use anonymous login because i dont have anything to hide. Anything tht implies meta and me looking and leaving the topic is compeltly irrelevant.

 

[Dooms]

RR, man,you are funny. I dont use anonymous login because i dont have anything to hide. Anything tht implies meta and me looking and leaving the topic is compeltly irrelevant.

Do you have ANYTHING to say in defense or are you just going to let Ryker do all of the work for you? Hes doing a very poor job of defending you, by the way, so letting him do it is not a good idea.

 

[Tandora]

Felipe, I see you're on. Post some honest to goodness content.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

God, Felipe is DUMB.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

RR, man,you are funny. I dont use anonymous login because i dont have anything to hide. Anything tht implies meta and me looking and leaving the topic is compeltly irrelevant.

Felipe, what do you think of Joey? Sword dancer? Ori_Bro?

 

[felipe_9595]

God, Felipe is DUMB.

This ^^

10char

 

[felipe_9595]

I see Joey sticking with you really hard.

 

[JTB]

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Deadline 10/24, 11:59 PM EST

JO_OEY [0]
tHe-Man [1] MOD
Tandora [0]
Crimson King [0]
Red Ryu [4] tHe-Man, J, felipe_9595, SangfroidWarrior
ORI_bro [0]
felipe_9595 [4] Red Ryu, Auspher, JO_OEY, Tandora
Auspher [0]
J [3] ORI_bro, Gheb, Crimson King
SangfroidWarrior [0]
Sworddancer [0]
Balatro [0]
Gheb [0]

Not Voting: Balatro, Sworddancer

Deadline is in one day!

 

[Dooms]

I see Joey sticking with you really hard.

Sticking with RR? As in I'm scum too, or do you think I'm buddying him? Explain please.

No defense. I'm not moving my vote.

 

[Dooms]

Actually, was that directed at Tandora, Ryker, or RR? Now that I look at it again, it really isn't 100% clear.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Felipe, if you're trying to be funny, stop and actually try to do something to help us, because, eventually, Ryker isn't gonna be able to stop people from wanthing to lynch you.

 

[Ori_bro]

Wow a lot has happened here O_o. I am extremely confused about the RR wagon that has spawned in the past 15 pages lol.

At everyobe who was thinking about lynching me a while back: Yes, i don't post much, but I do read up on what everyone is posting. I like to be informed about things here so I can change any reads on anyone and change my vote if I feel it is necessary.

As for the current vote, I will be sticking with my vote on J, its what I feel is right so I don't feel like second guessing myself at this point (its still day 1)


I am intrigued with the RR wagon extremely though. He seemed to be posting like he always has been but I don't see where the wagon started (Could someone post where it started? I honestly don't see it.)? I can see why everyone might think felipe, but maybe thats because the vote for felipe has been around longer.

I hope something does end up happening on this first day though.

 

[Ori_bro]

Actually i do kinda think its funny how felipe is reacting to the possibility of him being potentially lynched. Maybe he feels like there is no point in him making a stance because it seems like most are ready to vote for him.

 

[Dooms]

Wow a lot has happened here O_o. I am extremely confused about the RR wagon that has spawned in the past 15 pages lol.

At everyobe who was thinking about lynching me a while back: Yes, i don't post much, but I do read up on what everyone is posting. I like to be informed about things here so I can change any reads on anyone and change my vote if I feel it is necessary.

As for the current vote, I will be sticking with my vote on J, its what I feel is right so I don't feel like second guessing myself at this point (its still day 1)


I am intrigued with the RR wagon extremely though. He seemed to be posting like he always has been but I don't see where the wagon started (Could someone post where it started? I honestly don't see it.)? I can see why everyone might think felipe, but maybe thats because the vote for felipe has been around longer.

I hope something does end up happening on this first day though.

What about the deadline? You do realize that you have 27 hours to convince people that a J lynch is better than a Felipe/RR lynch, right?

RR wagon started when Ryker said that he didn't like any wagons and made Sang reconsider RR, made J realize that a RR lynch was possible, and knew that Felipe would be desperate enough to switch to a RR lynch over himself.

 

[Tandora]

As for the current vote, I will be sticking with my vote on J, its what I feel is right so I don't feel like second guessing myself at this point (its still day 1)

I commend you for your tenacity, but are you going to stubbornly stick to your vote even if it means a NL? Between J, RR, and Felipe (the biggest wagons), who would you vote for in a last minute lynch?

 

[Dooms]

To make that 27 hours seem more realistic:

If we don't have enough votes within the next 24 hours, we can assume that there will not be a lynch, since not everyone will be on to do anything about the no lynch. This is VERY bad for town if you didn't know, Ori.

Hey J. Hold my hand.

I don't want a lynch out of ANY of the current wagons. Nor do I want to lynch Balatro.

Vote Red Ruy

This is where it started. On post number 589.

When asked why he started a new wagon on RR by Swords, this is how he responded:

He gets a free pass for being ******** because he has a history of being ********. Same as Joey.

If you want to read from 589 onwards, you will understand the RR wagon and why people are on it haha. Any other things you're wondering about?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ori, you should vote me or Felipe, since at this point those are the only two paths it seems.

 

[Ori_bro]

TY for pointing that out for me JO_OEY.

And yes, tandora, I do know that having a NL is bad I didn't include it in my recent post on the last page, but i meant to say that with the way things are looking, I will end up switching my vote because I feel like everyone is pretty set on RR and Felipe as their votes for Lynch.

But yes, I feel like I'm just going to swallow my pride and go with the crowd.

UNVOTE VOTE: Felipe


Also, I just glanced back a few pages and someone mentioned me trying to hard to fit in...

I'm a PW fan (though I haven't beaten them all) and I felt like it would be cool to have one post with some gifs there

 

[Deleted member]

Auspher, thoughts on my 590? Do you agree with my thoughts on Felipe and J or do you think I'm wrong? Who would you lynch right now out of J and Gheb?

My scum/leaning reads in order:

Felipe
J
Auspher
You
Ori

There is literally no reason NOT to lynch Felipe. We get info on the people that refuse to lynch him (You, J), we get info on the people that are on his wagon (Me, Auspher, RR), along with info on the people that think hes scummy but think others are stronger scum reads or simply aren't voting him at this moment (Gheb, Sang). As you said, he has been completely useless. Why would we want to keep that in the town when all that does is keep a distraction in the town? How is he null over being scummy versus me and RR? According to you, we've all been useless and ********, yet hes null and we're scummy just because he has votes on him and we don't?

How does it get us no where? Do you really think we're going to get no reads from a Felipe lynch LOL?

Joey, Gheb's push on people I think was helpful to the game, and while the "UNHELPFUL!!!" images did get on the nerves of some, he was just getting impatient and trying to push for more substance in posts. While I have J as null, that's just because he's hard to read and I'm not sure where to place him. When he presumably revealed his role as Mion, I kinda wanted to believe him, but I'm just not sure.

So basically, because of my uncertainty of him, I'd rather lynch him than Gheb. And you know where I stand in regards to Felipe.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Felipe you need to claim now.

 

[felipe_9595]

How many votes i have??? I dont think i have 6 yet no??? And why that sudden interest on my role, when i am not near a lynch yet???

 

[Dooms]

Why would he want people to think that he was scummy? Based on his reactions to the pressure put on him, it was very obvious that he didn't want to be viewed as scum at all. He said things along the basis of "Oh, lets pick on the new guy, eh?"... yeah. That doesn't show any signs of wanting to be viewed as somewhat scummy at all. Please explain this?

Since you're here, Ori, can you respond to this please? That would be great!

 

[Dooms]

How many votes i have??? I dont think i have 6 yet no??? And why that sudden interest on my role, when i am not near a lynch yet???

You're the top lynch candidate. You're L-2 with 24 hours remaining vs RR who is L-3. You should probably claim if you want the wagon to hop on over to RR.

 

[Dooms]

Joey, Gheb's push on people I think was helpful to the game, and while the "UNHELPFUL!!!" images did get on the nerves of some, he was just getting impatient and trying to push for more substance in posts. While I have J as null, that's just because he's hard to read and I'm not sure where to place him. When he presumably revealed his role as Mion, I kinda wanted to believe him, but I'm just not sure.

So basically, because of my uncertainty of him, I'd rather lynch him than Gheb. And you know where I stand in regards to Felipe.

Okay! Thank you!