HG/SS Ditto glitch?

[AfroThunderRule]

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=960099&topic=54152536

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Seems cool.

Seems useless at the same time.

Interesting nonetheless.

 

[Mewter]

If that actually works, then more power to Ditto!
What use does it have for it though? Its stats are so low. It'll die before it can do anything.

Cool anyways. Nice for friendly matches.

 

[AfroThunderRule]

Well don't forget Mew can pull this off. >.>

Edit: Am I seeing things or am I a moderator? o_O

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Mew can do just about anything anyways, without wasting a moveslot on rage. But IF it works for Mew, I guess you could use it to get moves that can't be learned through TMs/HMs.

And did you just become a moderator in the last 5 minutes?

EDIT: Never mind, server be glitchin, probably an april fools joke though.

 

[AfroThunderRule]

And did you just become a moderator in the last 5 minutes?

Yes, looks like this site is also glitching. >__>

 

[Terywj [태리]]

You're presented as a Moderator.

And the Ditto glitch seems pretty hilarious if you use it properly.

-Terywj

 

[Charmander]

Well don't forget Mew can pull this off. >.>

Edit: Am I seeing things or am I a moderator? o_O

Oh my god you are a mod!
Congrats?

 

[Mewter]

Yo man I got a yellow name.
You ain't got ****ake mushrooms on me.

I really can't wait to go up to someone with a Ditto though and use Roar of Time or something, then explain that it doesn't require hacking!
Then watch them shake their head in denial and OHKO Ditto.

 

[Fuelbi]

Whoa congrats dude you just made mod!

I would be careful because until 12 AM it's still April 1st



Ima try this sometime XD

Imagine Explosion on Ditto XD


I wonder why my name is the same though...

I wish its green so I can attempt to access the disco room XD

 

[UltiMario]

This needs more attention.
Theoetically anything that can gain the move transform in any possible way could theoretically learn every move in the game.

This is really cool considering many Pokemon now becoming a Smeargle, but this also means its going to be insta-banned from competative play lol

 

[Lazyboy0337]

This is cool, but It can only have 3 moves and Transform/Rage. But still, FEAR Ditto shall rise!

 

[Fuelbi]

Ditto will now be the most used pokemon for the FEAR technique along with rattata and Pikachu

 

[M3D]

I just posted about this over on Smogon... you guys don't get the implications of this. Check it:

Considering Smeargle can Sketch any move, this means that Mew and Ditto can now learn ANY move in the game. That doesn't seem that bad but...

What makes this a little worse is that Mimic works on Transform. So using a double battle and some crazy shenanigans, you can use the mimic/transform combo to get any move onto:

Jigglypuff, Mr. Mime, Mime Jr., Sudowoodo, Bonsly, & Chatot

But that's just for 4th Gen native Pokemon. If you go back to Gen3, Mimic was a move tutor to nearly the entire pokedex. Check this link for the complete list. So pokemon captured in Gen3 who are tutored Mimic can be PalParked up to HGSS, mimic transform, transform into a Smeargle with any move he's sketched and legitimately, within the mechanics of the cartridges, have just about anything they want for competition.

So just for giggles we might see some:

• Ninjask with Spore and Super Fang
• Zapdos with Ice Beam
• Kyogre with Recover and/or Tail Glow
• Shedinja with Pain Split
• Snorlax with ExtremeSpeed (useful and hilarious)

and any number of crazy sets you can think of. I think its pretty obvious this is game-breaking and probably won't be allowed on Shoddy, but I wonder how Nintendo would handle something like this at their VGC events? You aren't using a cheat-device to get these moves on your poke, just the mechanics Game Freak put into the game using some unexpected, if convoluted tricks to make it happen.

On the plus side, if it was allowed, pretty much EVERYTHING would get Rapid Spin now. Wouldn't that be fantastic? Stealth Rock would be much less painful to deal with.

To be perfectly honest, I don't think any of the pokemon that could do this WITHOUT the tutor from 3rd gen are that dangerous anyways, so even if it is banned, I would love to see an exception allowed for 4th Gen Pokemon only to use it. That would give us just a few new tools to work with, but wouldn't be game breaking at all. Mew would probably become more powerful in the Ubers game, but would Wigglytuff suddenly go into suspect testing with any move at its disposal? I don't think so.


So its really not just a "hey, nifty trick for Ditto that means nothing." It's a potentially game-breaking or, with the right restrictions, game-changing transformation (pun definitely intended).

 

[Mewter]

If that's true...
That's amazing, and this should be treated as a legitimate game AT. :O

 

[Steeler]

If that's true...
That's amazing, and this should be treated as a legitimate game AT. :O

no way dude...since every pokemon has the same movepool (except for 4th gen), it means that pokemon choice boils down mainly on stat distribution, with typing and ability also mattering somewhat.

 

[Circa]

Can Ditto then be used to breed and pass the moves down? I've never tried the glitch, so I wouldn't know. But yeah, I ask because if so then it opens up a few extra things for Pokemon like Bronzor in LC, who currently can't use Level Up Moves due to his inability to acquire them at Lvl 5 (you know, because he can only breed with Ditto and Ditto can't pass moves).

But I'm lost as to how you guys are figuring in these other applications for Ditto.

EDIT: Oh yeah, the other application for the move. Give Mew any move it wants and see how Ubers goes down. Too bad it has to carry Rage?

 

[Pluvia]

Shedninja with Pain Split?? I'm there.

 

[Mic_128]

Can Ditto then be used to breed and pass the moves down?

Ooooh, interesting.

 

[M3D]

I think Ditto is always treated as a female, so I don't think it can pass moves on to its offspring using this glitch. Although, it would be interesting if it could. Someone should test it out.

 

[Circa]

I think Ditto is always treated as a female, so I don't think it can pass moves on to its offspring using this glitch. Although, it would be interesting if it could. Someone should test it out.

Ditto counts as the gender that isn't being represented by the other, so if you use a female to breed then you can pass down the Egg Moves. In the use of a genderless Pokemon however, it's just level-up moves that you'd want. Both sides would have it, so I'd assume that the moves would pass down (like how it works with normal breeding). That's why I wondered what I wondered, because then you could see Hypnosis Bronzor and other things like that in LC.

I'd test it, but I'm still SR'ing for Ho-Oh.

 

[Mic_128]

I think Ditto is always treated as a female

If that was true, wouldn't all offspring from a ditto-other breeding end with ditto?

 

[Fuelbi]

Wow, I can't wait to try this and fool my friends tomorrow when we converge at the fair XD


But I need a Smeargle... and someone to double battle with

Unless I could just get a wild pokemon and just get the moves from IT. That would surprise my friends at least a bit.


I still can't help but lol at the fact that I could use explosion on my friends though XD

 

[Mewter]

no way dude...since every pokemon has the same movepool (except for 4th gen), it means that pokemon choice boils down mainly on stat distribution, with typing and ability also mattering somewhat.

Okay, you've got a point.
Maybe not legitimate then, but it would still be fun to use!

And yeah, Ditto is always the opposite gender of the one you're breeding it with.

 

[Chill]

Ditto can pass moves. There was a similar glitch in D/P that let Ditto pass moves to pokemon.

 

[Fuelbi]

If Ditto can pass moves, then why doesn't he ever pass on transform? Or does the game disallow that?

 

[Circa]

If Ditto can pass moves, then why doesn't he ever pass on transform? Or does the game disallow that?

They still have to be Egg Moves, Level-Up Moves, or TMs. This is why you can't give any move you want to Pokemon in the Ground Egg Group, despite Smeargle being their gateway to anything they'd ever want.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

"Ninjask with Spore and Super Fang"
Ninjask with Spore would be completely imba to shut down anything. Then Baton Pass all that crap to say Octillery/Cradily or something.

"Zapdos with Ice Beam"
Hippowdon is no longer a safe switchin, neither is Latias.

"Kyogre with Recover and/or Tail Glow"
Recover enhances ridiculous duration, and Tail Glow with Life Orb just makes it that much more ridiculous.

"Shedinja with Pain Split"
Not even going to say anything.

"Snorlax with ExtremeSpeed"
Curse Snorlax will now be even more annoying.

This is utterly ridiculous.

-Terywj

 

[Fuelbi]

I suppose no one can tell me where to find a pokemon with rage in the wild?

 

[T-block]

No one has said Endeavour/Quick Attack Sheddy yet? xP

EDIT: or Bullet Punch, w/e

 

[Lazyboy0337]

Mimic can be used for this glitch too? Oh god, I can see it now; Slaking used Skill Swap!

But more importantly, did anyone test this to see if the movesets stay after saving and turning the game off?

 

[Fuelbi]

Blah I'm looking for dunsparce at the moment since apparently if you find one in the wild, you'll be sure to get one with rage...

blah, I got an Onix with rage instead.


Apparently, if you turn off the game and turn it back on, the moveset will still remain.


I can't wait to surprise my friends tomorrow with my rage ditto XD

 

[hotdogturtle]

I'm not sure if anyone answered this already (or read the topic), but I did some testing in the GameFAQs topic yesterday, and this was the result.

What this means is that Ditto can pass down impossible combinations of egg moves, making it like a Ditto in the Ground egg group except it works for every egg group.

I haven't tried the Mimic method yet, because that would require a double battle or a good Trainer House setup, but if I can get those double trainers to rematch me, I can try it tonight.

 

[Fuelbi]

*sighs*

I wish I had a smeargle


I never find any at the ruins of alph

I'm gonna try to pass down impossible moves now...


even though all it knows is:

Rage
Rock Slide
Harden
Constrict


I wonder what I could pass this on to.... hmm....

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Belly Drum Azumarrill? Oh my.

-Terywj

 

[WouW]

Belly Drum Aqua Jet Azumarill? Oh my.

Fixed.

Almost all pre-fourth gen pokés being able to learn any move? **** yes.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Huge Power Belly Drum Aqua Jet Azumarill is the correct term.

This is going to be really obnoxious and ridiculous, though.

-Terywj

 

[Lazyboy0337]

Huge Power Belly Drum Aqua Jet Azumarill is the correct term.

This is going to be really obnoxious and ridiculous, though.

-Terywj

The metagame will now cut itself

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Smogon is going to have a fun time dealing with this Mukload of nonsense.

I would love to use Sacred Fire Flareon/Arcanine legitimately now.

-Terywj

 

[Lazyboy0337]

Just my ideas so far

Skill Swap Slaking
FEAR everything
Shuckle having Softboiled (or another reliable recovery move, but Softboiled is BEAST )
Belly Drum + Priority move everything