Help with some problems?

[Carthology]

Well I'm relatively new to these boards. I had another account, but I rarely used it as it was my friends account, anyway I'm going off topic.

I just wanna say, I consider myself very good at SSBB, but I'm here today, asking for help because I can't fight people who abuse spot-dodging. I recently played someone online who never approached, and would always wait for me to make the first move. In doing so he would spot-dodge about 4 times in a row.

I tried using moves such as Fair, Usmash or Dsmash because they have a longer duration, but since he was dodging so much they would always miss. Then he, of course, punished me.

I'm not asking for a way to eliminate this and 3 stock him, because that would be asking too much. I'm just looking for a way to make it easier to fight people like this. Thank you for your time =)

 

[thecatinthehat]

Oh my god......ugh....

 

[Chis]

Well I'm relatively new to these boards. I had another account, but I rarely used it as it was my friends account, anyway I'm going off topic.

I just wanna say, I consider myself very good at SSBB, but I'm here today, asking for help because I can't fight people who abuse spot-dodging. I recently played someone online who never approached, and would always wait for me to make the first move. In doing so he would spot-dodge about 4 times in a row.

I tried using moves such as Fair, Usmash or Dsmash because they have a longer duration, but since he was dodging so much they would always miss. Then he, of course, punished me.

I'm not asking for a way to eliminate this and 3 stock him, because that would be asking too much. I'm just looking for a way to make it easier to fight people like this. Thank you for your time =)

Welcome, be sure to read ALL the stickies before you post.
Welcome, be sure to read ALL the stickies before you post.

Also...http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=200357

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=199510

VISIT THE LINKS!

Ahem.

 

[Carthology]

Umm.. like I said, I've had an account here before, and I check the Sonic boards frequently. Everytime I check I don't see anything about dodging or anything like that, so I wanted to be quick and to the point.

Thank you to the both of you anyway.

 

[thecatinthehat]

Welcome, be sure to read ALL the stickies before you post.
Welcome, be sure to read ALL the stickies before you post.

Also...http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=200357

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=199510

VISIT THE LINKS!

Ahem.

Is that shooped? I has bowser as the forum picture.

 

[Chis]

Alright, my apologies...

Well I'm relatively new to these boards. I had another account, but I rarely used it as it was my friends account, anyway I'm going off topic.

I just wanna say, I consider myself very good at SSBB, but I'm here today, asking for help because I can't fight people who abuse spot-dodging. I recently played someone online who never approached, and would always wait for me to make the first move. In doing so he would spot-dodge about 4 times in a row.

I tried using moves such as Fair, Usmash or Dsmash because they have a longer duration, but since he was dodging so much they would always miss. Then he, of course, punished me.

I'm not asking for a way to eliminate this and 3 stock him, because that would be asking too much. I'm just looking for a way to make it easier to fight people like this. Thank you for your time =)

Charge your smashes while he's side stepping like crazy. Did this help?

And who does he play, King Dedede?

Edit: I got that picture from here~http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=93181

 

[Carthology]

No, he plays as Marth, but that helped a lot. I'll try it next time.
Thank you, Chis. (I don't know why I didn't think of it haha)

If anyone still wants to give some more advice, I'll be happy to hear it, and thanks again Chis

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Here's the best advice anyone could ever give you.
Don't ask for help here

If you're seeking help at the Sonic boards, you're clearly out of your mind.

 

[ROOOOY!]

Jab. It's Sonic's fastest move. Just keep jabbing in place and you'll catch the ending lag of a spotdodge and some point.
Or just charge your smashes for a small time then release when the time is right.

This could've just been asked in the 134135342 "Ask a Simple Question" variant threads on the Sonic boards alone.

 

[Kinzer]

Predict your opponent, Sonic was almost built to punish spotdodgers. I mean seriously, he has Dsmash, Usmash, Fair, 2-Frame Jab, etc.

 

[Carthology]

Thanks ROOOY, but that only works sometimes. I've used the jab combo (AAA) but he dodges the first two punches and then dodges the last kick.

And yea, I would have posted this in one of those threads, but I only just started realizing that I have such a big problem with these people. Plus, like I said, my last account was my friends so I didn't always have access to it.

Rickerdy-doo-da-day, why did you post that?

 

[thecatinthehat]

Shield grab moar

 

[Kinzer]

Hold the attack button, Sonic will continue to only use the first jab until it hits something or you stop holding it.

Edit: He posted that because it's true, you're going to have to be a frequent poster here on the Sonic boards if you even want people to notice you. I don't even know how I got a name on these boards let alone have one right now.

 

[Carthology]

Kinzer, I said in the topic that I used those moves. The problem with that is when I use an Usmash or Dsmash, it can still miss, so it's very easily punishable do to the lag of the smashes.

Thanks anyway.

 

[Carthology]

Oh sorry I didnt' see your second post Kinzer. That holding "A" button thing is very helpfull.

Thank you.

 

[Kinzer]

I an right on how those moves are still good for those kind of situations, you'll be less punishable with the Usmash if you choose to hyphen it, and Dsmash can be held in place for a while before you let go, change up your game, don't be so predictable, and read your opponents' telegraphs.

Edit: Please use the edit button for changing posts, don't double post on these forums.

 

[ROOOOY!]

On the flip side, don't feel the need to go aggressive on them.
Like, say if you were fighting a Dedede or DK or whatever who was dsmashing out of spotdodge, you don't want to be attacking.
Sometimes running away is the better option.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Sorry, I'm in a silly mood today :/ My apologies

Spoiler

What I said was true anyway.

Like people have said, you can hold A to continually jab them.

Is it specifically when you get close to Marth that he continually spot dodges? How is he punishing you? With D Smash?

Grabbing him is a good way to stop it. Either that or bait him into using it. I like to charge up a Spindash when anyone is repeatdly doing that. Puts pressure on their sheild and they're going to have to stop it eventually

 

[Kinzer]

Oh right, nothing is more annoying to your opponent than just letting them approach you, and if they don't, keep spamming "You're too slow!"

ROOOY!, if anybody tells you that you aren't awesome, they need to be *****-slapped with Steak.

 

[Carthology]

Yea you're right ROOOOY, but the person I'm having this problem the most with is a special case. If I run away or choose not to be as aggressive then neither of us will ever attack. He will NEVER approach no matter what. =/

Yes Rickerdy, it's only when I get close to him that he starts spot-dodging, and when I miss or something, he punishes me with either dancing blades or Fsmash.

 

[ROOOOY!]

I appreciate all the pole-jocking of me in this thread.
I have blatantly done so much for this community to deserve it rofl [/sarcasm]

Ehh, if it's a Marth you're having trouble with, then maybe it's best you don't run away. Your friend seems smart in not approaching as Marth's approaching methods aren't great, but his defensive game is really good so you want to be constantly in his face.
To avoid a dsmash out of spotdodge against Marth..SH nair? Hitbox stays out for a while, nice 11% damage, low ending/landing lag so that if the Marth anticipates it and rolls away as it's coming you might not get punished.

 

[Carthology]

Thank you ROOOOY, a very useful tip, I'll try it next time. I have a very hard time getting used to Nair though, I can't find proper situations to use it.

But I will definitly try that next time, thanks.

 

[Napilopez]

nair is best used as a punisher for airdodges and spot dodges. I also like to use it as a GET THE HECK OUT OF MY FACE move when opponents are close to you in the air. It allows you to follow up easily due to its very low landing lag.

 

[Carthology]

Thanks Napilopez, but usually I just anticipate an airdodge and give 'em a Bair, but I don't know where that habit came from though hehe. But I'll definitly try to use it against spot-dodging, thanks again.

 

[Kinzer]

BoxobBairs are made of too much win, everybody wants to be like Boxob and land ALL of his Bairs ALL the time...we don't blame you though.

 

[Carthology]

Who's Boxob? And I've been using those Bairs since brawl came out, it's been my favorite kill move XD

 

[ROOOOY!]

Weak Nair => Jab combo

At 0% (and higher, there's obviously a cap, but I don't know the exact numbers) it's a legitimate combo. Sure, it's only 12%, but I always yelled "LOLOLOLOL COMBOS IN BRAWL!!11!!ELEVEN" to whoever I was playing with.
I usually use nair with ASC. Other than bair it's Sonic's strongest aerial. There's not many applications for it, so better to use that sparingly in those kind of situations then use a bair and stale it out for when you need a kill.
I use it in edgeguarding a lot actually, it's not a bad killer offstage.
Anyone who uses Homing Attack as a replacement for gimping needs to play better people :\ I HATE Homing Attack with a passion, I'd rather just have neutral B as no animation and an automatic 5% on MYSELF then have that pile of fail any longer. The amount of punishment I've had from that move crapping out on me is horrendous.

 

[Carthology]

I loled at your previous statement about the Neutral B, ROOOY. I completely agree though. I hate that move so much, but it comes in handy some times.

(i.e, hanging on the edge, let go and Neutral B, if it does get shielded it bounces you upwards so it's really hard to get punished for.)

 

[thecatinthehat]

Who's Boxob?

Whoa... That's not possible.

 

[Carthology]

Whoa... That's not possible.

Sorry? Hehe.. I guess when I used to check these boards I didn't see him here.

 

[Napilopez]

Dude Ro0ooo00y000o0yy If you are being punished from homing attack, then you aren't using it at the right times =/ have you seen SonicOrochi's Sonic tutorial? If anything, its good just for how it teaches you to use the homing attack corrcetly, so that you actually hit with it. I like miss with HA like less than 20% of the time. And lol, i saw Wes gimp some pretty formidable players with homing attack on saturday too.

On stage, so long as you use it when your enemy is moving away from you, it should hit. Off stage, if you enemy is above you and approaching yourself and the stage, it should hit.

Incase anyone hasn't seen it, here:
Starting from about 6 mins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QMRTsGfy0c

 

[Tenki]

If you know your opponent will spotdodge, don't attack immediately.

For damaging, run up to him, screech stop/shield stop, then do a delayed grab. Throws and pummels are awesome for limiting the opponent and getting free damage. Or run past him, then F/D-tilt backwards

Another alternative is to run at him, then do a side-B > instant D-air. That's two places where you can catch a spotdodge -

the side-B's momentum stopper/delay can, by itself, hit a spotdodger.

If you hold down and press [jump]+[attack], you'll do an instant D-air out of the hop. The delay as you're floating above him with a D-air is enough to punish a spotdodge as you're coming down. And if you landed the Side-B's hit, you might end up getting a footstool>D-air (grounds and launches the opponent upwards).

You might wanna save this one for a kill move, but when he's at a % you can kill with F-smash with something like this:

Run > Screech stop > F-smash (1-2 wind charge)
or

single foxtrot > F-smash (1-2 wind charge)

What's hilarious is if you stand there charging a F-smash and he spotdodges twice into a really high-charged F-smash.

You can also try doing
ASC> shield cancel (land in front of him and go for a grab; land out of his F-smash range and punish his next move)

side-B charge>shield cancel (hold the charge for maybe half a second or so- it might bait him to attack you (you can shield then grab his attack), or just act as a delay for your 'real' approach.

 

[Carthology]

Wow Tenki, thank you very much. You sound like you really know a lot about the game's strategies and Sonic himself.

I've used those things on other players as mindgames, but for some reason it didn't occur me to use it against him.

Thanks again Tenki =D

 

[Kinzer]

Tenki is the only smart one on these boards, there's nothing he doesn't know. Sonic isn't banned yet because he has yet to give away all his secrets.

Also I like you, you take the to at least talk about the thread you make.

Edit:

VV That too.

 

[Napilopez]

You sound like you really know a lot about the game's strategies and Sonic himself.

Tenki created Sonic.

 

[Carthology]

Tenki is the only smart one on these boards, there's nothing he doesn't know. Sonic isn't banned yet because he has yet to give away all his secrets.

Also I like you, you take the to at least talk about the thread you make.

Yes, I've noticed that about Tenki, he is very knowledgable, but all of you have given me good advice as well. =D

And I noticed some guy called Rocker in another thread, and I understand now why people don't take to well to “n00bs”. But thanks Kinzer, I appreciate it.

 

[thecatinthehat]

Yes, I've noticed that about Tenki, he is very knowledgable, but all of you have given me good advice as well. =D

And I noticed some guy called Rocker in another thread, and I understand now why people don't take to well to “n00bs”. But thanks Kinzer, I appreciate it.

Yes you're one of the n00bs we can tolerate to an extent.

You kinda remind me of aeghrur or Chis back in the day.

 

[Boxob]

Yes you're one of the n00bs we can tolerate to an extent.

You kinda remind me of aeghrur or Chis back in the day.

Back in the day...

As in like a week ago or two?

 

[thecatinthehat]

Back in the day...

As in like a week ago or two?

In steak years. Kinda like dog years.

 

[Kinzer]

Oh hey, there's the man who made BoxobBairs.

See how much win his posts are made of? We all strive to achieve his Steakness but we all fail miserably.