Heir to the Monado. Shulk General Discussion/Social Thread

[yoonb]

Down B Vision: Shulk's eyes glow blue and he holds his forehead for a second. When hit in the first few frames, the damage is negated and the opponent rewinds (the enemy does the attack in reverse as if rewinding the action). This puts the enemy back in the range of the Monado.

That's really interesting, but visions don't rewind time. If anything, a Down B vision move will probably just end up being a counter. It's cool and all, but we already had four counters appear.

 

[FlareHabanero]

If vision is indeed incorporated like that, I would probably make it a dodge instead of a counter.

 

[Bowserlick]

Well it wouldn't do damage, just send the opponent to where they were at the execution of their attack. That way, it is a way of "seeing the future" in a fighting game. It gives Shulk a do-over.

For example if Fox was recovering with his Fox Illusion and Shulk entered his vision stance then:

Fox would hit Shulk with Fox Illusion (no damage would be done to either character). Fox would rewind back to the start of Fox Illusion. While he would still be able to re-perform his move, the Shulk player now forces them to repeat their strategy or try something else. Hence "seeing a possible future."

 

[N3ON]

I'm currently doubting the prospective of Shulk being regulated to a simply Assist Trophy, mainly because there really isn't anything out there that supports the idea to begin with.

Maybe because his chances are relatively up in the air and the people who don't think he'll be playable still think he deserves more than just a trophy?

It's not something like, say, Isaac or Starfy where a previous status quo is a bit of a stigma.

Stigma for who? Not for the fans, if anything being an AT has increased popularity for certain characters. Not for Sakurai either, clearly characters who were once items can ascend to playability, look at Charizard.

It's not like being an AT will prevent a character from becoming playable should Sakurai want them playable.

Also I'm not really worried about Shulk coming from a niche game, in fact half of the roster to begin with is like that already. So it's not really bending any rules so to speak.

But it does explain why a character as prevalent as the Mii has more overall popularity collectively.

I also don't believe in the fan made belief that a series is too new and as such shouldn't come in.

Totally. I mean they still have all the same conditions to meet as other series, it's just that most new series (especially those with only a sole game) can't match up to the impact of more established series yet.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Maybe because his chances are relatively up in the air and the people who don't think he'll be playable still think he deserves more than just a trophy?

That's probably it, but still there isn't any proof whatsoever either way. I will say that because of things that have been circling around, like say Sakurai posting a tweet about that custom made Monado snd Soraya Saga being hopeful for the inclusion, it at least gives me confidence that Xenoblade Chronicles isn't going to be dumped into the deepest pits of the Chronicle and be forgotten. Worst case scenario, there will be at least music and trophies involved.

Stigma for who? Not for the fans, if anything being an AT has increased popularity for certain characters. Not for Sakurai either, clearly characters who were once items can ascend to playability, look at Charizard.

It's not like being an AT will prevent a character from becoming playable should Sakurai want them playable.

I'm not saying that being regulated to one specific role is a permanent thing, I mean if I did really have that mentality I wouldn't be supporting anything what so ever. It's more like being in that role should be treated as more of a precaution more then an encouragement, because history does have a habit of repeating itself. To play your example game, Toad despite being arguably the most popular Mario newcomer and the next in line for true blood newcomers for the Super Mario Bros. series, is constantly put into the same meatshield role in every game ever since Peach was introduced in Melee.

But it does explain why a character as prevalent as the Mii has more overall popularity collectively.

Which, again, isn't much of a huge issue. We have our popular characters, sure, like the Mario and Pokemon characters for example, but at the same time we do get our roughly equal share of lesser known characters thrown into the mix too. Captain Falcon, Ness, Marth, R.O.B., Mr. Game & Watch, Ice Climbers, Wii Fit Trainer, and so on. Which from a design standpoint of a crossover series does make sense, considering that it's generally a bright idea to introduce as many franchises into the same scenario while making the occasional rule breaker in order to keep things fresh and diverse. After all, Super Smash Bros. would be a ton more dull if it was plagued by too many Mario and Pokemon characters.

Totally. I mean they still have all the same conditions to meet as other series, it's just that most new series (especially those with only a sole game) can't match up to the impact of more established series yet.

Which I still don't believe, considering it's never outright stated at any point. So I still firmly believe that it's free game for many series. However, for series that were introduced after the roster was compiled, that is where I can understand when something is too new. Hence why I think something like Wonder Red from The Wonderful 101 was introduced too late to be considered, but still find it perfectly plausible for Shulk from Xenoblade Chronicles to be at least considered. However playing with the scenario, Wonder Red would be more viable the next time around a new Super Smash Bros. installment is created like say 2018/2019 where the character wouldn't have the stigma of being introduced too late into development.

Not saying either of the examples provided are going to happen or not, it's merely an example of what I'm talking about.

 

[Deleted member]

Dat haircut.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Dat deviantart

 

[FlareHabanero]

Shulk is Yotsuba Koiwai?

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I must have missed the part in Xenoblade Chronicles where Shulk started rocking pigtails.....

 

[Guybrush20X6]

If Shulk is in Smash I hope they get the original British actor. If for no other reason than it wouldn't sound like Shulk otherwise.

 

[SmashChu]

Regarding Skull Kid's confirmation as a Assist Trophy, I was wondering if we would be very upset if Shulk becomes another one.

I would, personally.

There was a post I was going to reply to but I couldn't remember which one it was. This one.....

On Skull Kid, as everyone has pointed out, he was a character with very little potential for moves. He kind of reminds me of Lyn. Great for an assist trophy but not a full character. If Shulk was an AT, I'd be upset. I'm hoping he wont be though. All in all, I'm kind of taking a wait and see approach. If it happens, great. it it doesn't, well, I guess we can move on.

NE0N: Your post are a mess. It's better to do just one quote. Makes it easier to read and less bloated.

 

[jaytalks]

Totally. I mean they still have all the same conditions to meet as other series, it's just that most new series (especially those with only a sole game) can't match up to the impact of more established series yet.

I tend to think Smash, aside from retro characters (who inherently are single game/dead franchise), adds franchise characters rather than characters from a single game.

X feels like a continuation of the Xenoblade series, and is acknowledged as such (along with the same team), but until we get official confirmation, Xenoblade is a single game to me.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Xenoblade is an enormously epic single game though. I've clocked well over 100 hours into the game (probably closer to 200 at this point), mainly thanks to the storyline. I think the length of a game is very important because it changes the amount of exposure a player has with its characters and world. There's more opportunity for worth to form.

Monolith could easily have put their time and resources into a series of far smaller games instead but they didn't. I don't think they should be punished for that.

 

[foolssigma]

We all know if Shulk does not make it into Smash 4 it would be a…….tragic decision

 

[BluePikmin11]

We all know if Shulk does not make it into Smash 4 it would be a…….tragic decision

It wouldn't really be that tragic to me.. :/

 

[Weeginji]

We all know if Shulk does not make it into Smash 4 it would be a…….tragic decision

Oh hardy har har.

 

[Weeginji]

We all know if Shulk does not make it into Smash 4 it would be a…….tragic decision

Oh hardy har har.

EDIT: Huh, server error caused me to double post...soooo anybody else really like this track?

 

[foolssigma]

Oh hardy har har.

EDIT: Huh, server error caused me to double post...soooo anybody else really like this track?

I was listening to the soundtrack and I couldn't resist the pun. It's honestly harder for me to think of what songs I don't like in the game. I remember the first time I heard that track, great part of the game.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

I got Xenoblade at launch.

Shulk has gotta be in. He's popular, and he is relevant with X. He'd also not only be unique(like Isaac), but also represents an important series(like Isaac).

In case you can't tell, I want them both in.

 

[Altais]

Finally got some time to play more of Xenoblade Chronicles, now that mine semester is all but over. I recently got past one challenging boss (the one whom keeps shouting, "Feels like a fly bit me!"). I am really liking the story thus far. I regret not buying this game sooner.

[collapse="Plot Spoiler"]I am guessing the Mechon with the faces were originally humans. If so, then I think I have a pretty good idea whom "Metal Face" is. [Shrugs] I guess I will find out soon enough.[/collapse]

Anyhow, like I said before, Shulk, in mine opinion, would definitely make an interesting character in Smash Bros. Although, I cannot say I have very high hopes for him. [Shrugs] That being said, anything is possible.

 

[Ryan.]

I never played Xenoblade Chronicles, but I hear about this character a lot. It would make sense if he were included, and his weapon looks sweet.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I tend to think Smash, aside from retro characters (who inherently are single game/dead franchise), adds franchise characters rather than characters from a single game.

Except there has never been a rule that stated this.

 

[jaytalks]

Except there has never been a rule that stated this.

never said it was a rule. it's just how I think Sakurai operates.

It's very smart in terms of business and branding.

 

[Vintage Creep]

I tend to think Smash, aside from retro characters (who inherently are single game/dead franchise), adds franchise characters rather than characters from a single game.

Lucas appeared in a single game, and also Sheik. Technically R.O.B. appeared only in Mario Kart DS, and I think there was only one Dr. Mario game when Melee came out.

 

[8-peacock-8]

It wouldn't really be that tragic to me.. :/

 

[jaytalks]

Lucas appeared in a single game, and also Sheik. Technically R.O.B. appeared only in Mario Kart DS, and I think there was only one Dr. Mario game when Melee came out.

Lucas = Mother Franchise
Sheik = Zelda Franchise
ROB = Very much a retro character
Dr. Mario = Mario Franchise

and before Melee came out, Dr. Mario 64 was released as the final N64 game.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Lucas = Mother Franchise
Sheik = Zelda Franchise
ROB = Very much a retro character
Dr. Mario = Mario Franchise

and before Melee came out, Dr. Mario 64 was released as the final N64 game.

Isn't Xenoblade of the Xeno franchise? Isn't the upcoming X part of Xenoblade franchise?

 

[8-peacock-8]

I think there was only one Dr. Mario game when Melee came out.

Spoiler

 

[jaytalks]

Isn't Xenoblade of the Xeno franchise? Isn't the upcoming X part of Xenoblade franchise?

xenoblade is set in a different continuity than both xenosaga and xenogears. additionally, those IPs are owned by Namco and Square Enix respectively. originally, the title was going to be called Monado: Beginning of the World, before they changed it to represent Takahashi's hard work, as he poured his heart and soul in the game.

X has been widely speculated by the gaming media to be part of the same franchise (same developer, same development team), but it has not been official confirmed.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Speaking of Xeno games.....Xenogears HD and Xenosaga HD for the Wii U, Xbone, and PS4 need to happen though.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Well, in the end I hope Shulk comes up anyway. I would even settle for the new X protagonist.
The truth is that I want a Xenoblade stage to be honest. Nah, I want like three Xenoblade stages.

I know that Xenogears is owned by Bamco and Xenosaga is owned by Square Enix, but since Monolith developed them (if I'm not mistaken) aren't there many legal issues for having them on other consoles outside Nintendo? That whole situation always seemed pretty convoluted to me and probably that's the reason we haven't got a collection yet.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Speaking of Xeno games.....Xenogears HD and Xenosaga HD for the Wii U, Xbone, and PS4 need to happen though.

Not going to happen for the Xbone and PS4.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Not going to happen for the Xbone and PS4.

I assumed it might since they're owned by Namco and Squeenix respectively.

I know that Xenosaga is owned by Bamco and Xenogears is owned by Square Enix

fixed

 

[FlareHabanero]

I assumed it might since they're owned by Namco and Squeenix respectively.

No, the company that made Xenosaga cannot exactly port the game onto the PS4 and Xbox One due to the copyright complications making it impossible.

Xenogears however is technically free game.

 

[8-peacock-8]

No, the company that made Xenosaga cannot exactly port the game onto the PS4 and Xbox One due to the copyright complications making it impossible.

Xenogears however is technically free game.

Ahh. That makes sense. Well, all the better for me since i'd at least end up with Xenosaga if it gets an HD revival.

 

[foolssigma]

If Nintendo and Monolith are really planning on expanding Xenoblade into a franchise with the upcoming X game, then Shulk's chances will drastically improve because they'll want more exposure in order to make the franchise more well known and ultimately sell better. An AT would not have the same effect as a full blown playable character. Even with Isaac, most people I play brawl with have no idea who he is and never gave a second thought into looking up the character. Speaking of Isaac, I wonder how big of an impact a release of X and a Wii U Golden Sun would have on bringing the JRPG fan base to Wii U.

The music in Xenoblade is so good now, I wonder if they would try to remix any of the songs for Smash. I'm curious, does anyone know any good remixes of the Xenoblade soundtrack? Whatever stage, if they do have one from Xenoblade, would have to be epic.

 

[jaytalks]

No, the company that made Xenosaga cannot exactly port the game onto the PS4 and Xbox One due to the copyright complications making it impossible.

Xenogears however is technically free game.

Ahh. That makes sense. Well, all the better for me since i'd at least end up with Xenosaga if it gets an HD revival.

technically, since Namco and Square Enix own the IP, they could do HD remakes, just using a different developer. Monolith Soft has no claims to ownership as a development company, like how Platinum Games has no ownership of Bayonetta. Sega does.

Namco still publishes Xenosaga figurines and has since Monolith bought them out, so they own the IP.

It's likely not going to happen because the series weren't big enough of HD remakes.

 

[SmashChu]

I tend to think Smash, aside from retro characters (who inherently are single game/dead franchise), adds franchise characters rather than characters from a single game.

X feels like a continuation of the Xenoblade series, and is acknowledged as such (along with the same team), but until we get official confirmation, Xenoblade is a single game to me.

What the heck are you talking about?

 

[jaytalks]

What the heck are you talking about?

Smash tends to add characters from a series, rather than characters from a singular game. I was following up from N3ON's point.

X has not been confirmed as an official continuation of Xenoblade to my knowledge. So at this point, Xenoblade is a singular game. I dont think it will be in the long run, as I do believe X is a continuation of the series, but at this point, it officially still is a single game.

 

[yoonb]

Smash tends to add characters from a series, rather than characters from a singular game. I was following up from N3ON's point.

X has not been confirmed as an official continuation of Xenoblade to my knowledge. So at this point, Xenoblade is a singular game. I dont think it will be in the long run, as I do believe X is a continuation of the series, but at this point, it officially still is a single game.

How do you guys feel about that face at the end of the first trailer? Do you guys think that's Shulk because I do believe that there are many similarities between the two. Or maybe even his son?