Heir to the Monado. Shulk General Discussion/Social Thread

[N3ON]

I would like to believe that Monolith being first party now would have some influence on Shulk's inclusion, however minor it may be.

That's not the same as there being a dedicated "Monolith" rep (who are they going to pick BluePikmin, Shulk, Welt, or Raymond? ), and being first/second party in general isn't proven to actually effect chances or anything. But it certainly doesn't hurt that Shulk is first party.

I suggest you to not waste your time.

I tried to keep it brief.
Since DSN doesn't post as much, I need another fool to fill my time with.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Ouch, N3ON's cold as ice.

Despite being a supporter and lover of his game, I still find myself surprised at how strongly this guy is supported. There is of course the "X" game coming, a continuance of Xenoblade in some form, coming out the year Smash U is. I wonder if Sakurai would be able and willing to put the main character of that game in instead, despite it coming out probably around the time we get our Smash, potentially even after (I find that unlikely, but it matters perhaps less considering Sakurai doesn't mind "debuting" characters in his games).

 

[SmashChu]

That's not the same as there being a dedicated "Monolith" rep (who are they going to pick BluePikmin, Shulk, Welt, or Raymond? ), and being first/second party in general isn't proven to actually effect chances or anything. But it certainly doesn't hurt that Shulk is first party

Just want to note that out of the 19 Nintendo series in Smash that only one, Pokemon, is a 2nd party series. Though it is also important to note that the rights to Pokemon were made very funky on purpose.

 

[N3ON]

Just want to note that out of the 19 Nintendo series in Smash that only one, Pokemon, is a 2nd party series. Though it is also important to note that the rights to Pokemon were made very funky on purpose.

Yeah, and of the 22 total series, three aren't even partly owned by Nintendo. We've been down this road before Chu, and I maintain it's circumstantial until proven otherwise.

 

[SmashChu]

Yeah, and of the 22 total series, three aren't even partly owned by Nintendo. We've been down this road before Chu, and I maintain it's circumstantial until proven otherwise.

Till proven otherwise? 18 series out of 19 not good enough. How many does it actually take then. (Also, the reason it was 19 and not 22 was because 3 of those are guest series. You wouldn't probably ignore those in a Nintendo fighting game).

Right now, odds are against you and until series are added that would prove otherwise, first party characters are what is added.

 

[Opossum]

Sakurai has never stated that he is against second-party characters, though. I feel that it is really just a matter of the fact that there were other, more requested characters (who happened to be 1st party) than the popular second parties. If they allegedly had trouble making them fighters, then why are they Assist Trophies? They still need to acquire the rights, so I don't really see what you're arguing here.

Not to mention, the 3rd Party example was more to show that they went out of their way to get their rights, so naturally a second party would be easier.

Just the way I see things.

 

[N3ON]

Till proven otherwise? 18 series out of 19 not good enough. How many does it actually take then. (Also, the reason it was 19 and not 22 was because 3 of those are guest series. You wouldn't probably ignore those in a Nintendo fighting game).

Right now, odds are against you and until series are added that would prove otherwise, first party characters are what is added.

How many 2nd party series are as big as the (non-retro) first parties already included in Smash? One, Pokemon, and that's it. When we get a second that's clearly at the same level or above as other new series, yet it doesn't get included, that's when there's evidence against the likelihood of second parties. Until then, it's Sakurai picking characters from the biggest Nintendo series, other than retros, which is pretty standard for a Nintendo crossover. We shouldn't be surprised he hasn't chosen some lesser 2nd party when the remaining 2nd parties just... aren't as big or successful as the already included first parties. Do you really think any second-party series, other than Pokemon, is at the level of any of the already included first-party series (again, not counting retros)?

And it doesn't matter what they're called, third-parties aren't owned by Nintendo, yet Sakurai goes to the effort to include them, regardless of how much Nintendo owns, which should prove Nintendo not having full rights to a character won't stop their inclusion, if Sakurai finds merit in them. Most of the 2nd party characters in question have already been in Smash, just not playable, so obviously they are obtainable...

 

[SmashChu]

Something you all might find interest. There is now a Xenoblade Streetpass Puzzel.

Picture kind of sucks.....

 

[Drclaw411]

This needs to happen.

 

[SmashChu]

This needs to happen.

Well, it already is. I think someone needs to complete it first.

Also, I should mention this is Japan only.

 

[FlareHabanero]

So, are we going to wait two years for this StreetPass Puzzle to make it to the NTSC region?

 

[Vintage Creep]

Waiting for the confirmation, I'm at level 60 in the game. Just got out of Mechonis Field.
Really, Shulk needs to be in Sm4sh.
How much far am I from the end? Which level should I reach at least to beat the final boss in your opinion?

 

[SmashChu]

Waiting for the confirmation, I'm at level 60 in the game. Just got out of Mechonis Field.
Really, Shulk needs to be in Sm4sh.
How much far am I from the end? Which level should I reach at least to beat the final boss in your opinion?

Your pretty close actually. You should be around 75 or so. I just beat him at level 85 and it was really easy.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Your pretty close actually. You should be around 75 or so. I just beat him at level 85 and it was really easy.

Umh, so I risk to get there underpowered? I didn't do many side quests, they bore me. At the moment the monsters are at my same level. So maybe I'll get to at least 70 before it.

 

[SmashChu]

Umh, so I risk to get there underpowered? I didn't do many side quests, they bore me. At the moment the monsters are at my same level. So maybe I'll get to at least 70 before it.

You'll get there. There are a few more areas to explore with strong enough enemies. In Xenoblade, you are usually under powered if you don't do side quest so you have to grind to make the difference. Though a little can go a long way. Do all the side quest in the beginning half of the game and you can easily get to be 10 levels higher than all the enemies.

 

[foolssigma]

I thought being under leveled a tad made the game more exciting due to an added challenge, though I did do many sidequests, explored for secret areas, and killed a ton of enemies, so I probably was around the right level most of the time anyway. So basically, the inclusion of a 3ds Xenoblade puzzle = Shulk in Smash, lol

 

[Erimir]

Are people supporting Shulk because he's the main character and thus the most likely to get in from Xenoblade or because he's truly their favorite Xenoblade character?

Because personally I like Dunban and Riki more than Shulk. I get that if Xenoblade gets a representative, it will probably be Shulk though, and I think the game is worthy of a representative.

And I could see a case for Fiora (female character, very important to story, would be more unique than Shulk) although I didn't like her that much (that might be partly her voice actress's fault).

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I think it's fair to say that because he is the main character, he would be the one to get in.

 

[foolssigma]

I support Shulk because he is my favorite character in Xenoblade, though I find others to be equally likable such as Dunban. I can't really see Fiora getting in over Shulk. I wouldn't mind if they both made it, but that is highly unlikely.

 

[N3ON]

I support Shulk because it's him representing his game or no one, and Xenoblade deserves representation in my mind. That said, he is also one of my favourite characters, though not my very favourite.

 

[SmashChu]

He's the star of the game. He should be the one who gets in. Also, Monado.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I'm around Level 10 and I really like Xenoblade so far. I'm to like my first boss or near that, but I need to grind some since I suck. Anyone got some tips and know how to use items?

I think Shulk might be #6 on my most wanted.

 

[kikaru]

Tips:

When you begin getting more characters try diversifying your roster as well as increasing supports amongst your characters. This will help in forging/performing longer chain attacks (A concept that you will soon encounter). Supports can be increased by performing Chain Attacks, helping with quests, recovering characters from topple/daze, etc.

Always try to cheer up your characters during battle, you can examine their expressions on the upper left hand corner of the screen. Depressed/moody portraits signifies decreased hit/critical rates or it will indicate that a character is toppled/dazed, this is your chance to encourage your ally or help them recover from topple/daze. This will increase support as well as bring them back to normal fighting conditions.

Having someone divert aggro onto themselves such as Reyn is always helpful, especially in the early levels. While Reyn is an aggro tank you will eventually encounter someone who is also good at diverting aggro but utilizes Agility instead. (So an aggro dodger)

Selling off your collectables is a good way to make some quick cash if needed, however, you can also gift them between party members and increase support. There are certain points of no return in the game which can greatly limit the unique collectables from that area and the only other way to obtain these specific collectables is by trading very specific people. ****There is a large side-quest that I highly recommend**** and it will require you to collect items from all over the game in order to complete it and some of them are located in areas of no return.

You can increase trading options within certain regions by increasing your fame/popularity within said region. This can be accomplished by doing quests within a particular region.

Crafting gems/cylinders will be crucial if attempting to tackle the strongest monsters in the game, especially Night Vision gems. (The highest tier is level VI which can only be achieved by crafting). Other good gems to have are Agility+, Topple+, Double Attack+, etc.

Pay attention to your skill tree. If you max out a skill it won't automatically switch to a different branch, ignoring this for too long will waste consider amounts of SP points that you accumulate. You can also unlock additional branches for each character but that will require many quests to be completed.

If you are not playing as Shulk remove the skill Battle Soul, its usefulness is extremely niche and will usually hurt more than it helps.

By the time you get skills to level 5-7 you should figure out which ones you will be constantly using, which ones you don't find very useful, and start maxing out your 'best' skills. The AP costs increase exponentially as you level up skills, therefore experimenting early should cost very little AP comparatively so don't sweat it.

When scanning monsters you may notice that some have a more detailed border as well as an adjective behind their name/ a unique name. These are unique monsters and are considerably more stronger than their normal counterparts (You may even have difficulty killing a unique monter that is a lower level than you). However the rewards for defeating them are much greater.

There are no items you can use in battle. Hence this is why you recover incredibly fast outside of battle.

You can usually take on monsters that are up to five levels higher than you (though it will be a difficult task) but lowering the level differences between you and the monster will prove to be incredibly helpful. Killing a monster with a level difference of two is much easier than killing the same monster with a level difference of five.



If I can think of anything else I will let you know, other than that I hope you enjoy the game!

 

[jaytalks]

If I could pick two characters from the games, it would be Shulk and Fiora, and have Reyn be an Assist Trophy (just so he can say it's Reyn time). Shulk needs to be in the game since he has the Xenoblade, or the Monado as it's called in the game.

 

[foolssigma]

If I could pick two characters from the games, it would be Shulk and Fiora, and have Reyn be an Assist Trophy (just so he can say it's Reyn time). Shulk needs to be in the game since he has the Xenoblade, or the Monado as it's called in the game.

They can put Reyn in a Xenoblade stage, that way it is always Reyn time. Then again, he would fit better as an AT. If Shulk is playable, I feel like Fiora would just have a cameo appearence as a trophy, or ... stickers (yay)

 

[Erimir]

Nah, the AT should be Dunban saying "Born in a world of strife! Against the odds! We choose to fight! Blossom Dance!"

 

[jaytalks]

They can put Reyn in a Xenoblade stage, that way it is always Reyn time. Then again, he would fit better as an AT. If Shulk is playable, I feel like Fiora would just have a cameo appearence as a trophy, or ... stickers (yay)

If Shulk is playable, his Final Smash should be team attack featuring some of his supporting players. I personally would want it random each match, so it rotates to Sharla, Riki, Melia, Dunban, and Fiora (Reyn not be included since he's an AT). But if I picked a team, it would be Fiora and Sharla since I like the diversity in their movesets. If Reyn isn't an AT, then it should be Fiora and Reyn since it's the party you start with I think.

By the way, could you imagine how beautiful a Leg of the Bionis stage would look?

 

[foolssigma]

Nah, the AT should be Dunban saying "Born in a world of strife! Against the odds! We choose to fight! Blossom Dance!"

I heard this so many times to the point where I would occassionally recite it along with Dunban, lol. Always kept him in my party.

If

If Shulk is playable, his Final Smash should be team attack featuring some of his supporting players. I personally would want it random each match, so it rotates to Sharla, Riki, Melia, Dunban, and Fiora (Reyn not be included since he's an AT). But if I picked a team, it would be Fiora and Sharla since I like the diversity in their movesets. If Reyn isn't an AT, then it should be Fiora and Reyn since it's the party you start with I think.

By the way, could you imagine how beautiful a Leg of the Bionis stage would look?

That's the first time I have heard of a support group final smash for Shulk. Not a bad idea, though I would prefer some crazy Monado arts or something involving visions somehow. (not sure how the whole future vision thing would work though, but it was one of my favorite parts of Xenoblade.) Rotating final smashes is a great idea. It would be rad if characters had multiple final smashes in the game. I'm excited for nearly anything HD'ified from Xenoblade. Just looking at X has me excited. Not only were the landscapes epic, but the music was phenomenal. Hmm, I can't decide what I would pick as a stage from the game though. Too many great options. I hear Leg of Bionis thrown around the most here.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Either Leg of Bionis (because I LOVE the music to that area) or Eryth Sea because it would probably look amazing in HD.

 

[jaytalks]

I heard this so many times to the point where I would occassionally recite it along with Dunban, lol. Always kept him in my party.


That's the first time I have heard of a support group final smash for Shulk. Not a bad idea, though I would prefer some crazy Monado arts or something involving visions somehow. (not sure how the whole future vision thing would work though, but it was one of my favorite parts of Xenoblade.) Rotating final smashes is a great idea. It would be rad if characters had multiple final smashes in the game. I'm excited for nearly anything HD'ified from Xenoblade. Just looking at X has me excited. Not only were the landscapes epic, but the music was phenomenal. Hmm, I can't decide what I would pick as a stage from the game though. Too many great options. I hear Leg of Bionis thrown around the most here.

Either Leg of Bionis (because I LOVE the music to that area) or Eryth Sea because it would probably look amazing in HD.

Leg of Bionis also appears to be the signature area of the series, as it's also in X and on the cover. It was made to be in HD. I had to check to remember but Eryth Sea looks amazing.

I read the idea on Gamefaqs so I can't take credit. I'm sure it's somewhere on this thread. The way I look at it is that would not be multiple final smashes, but rather different characters making up the Final Smash. I figure Shulk would finish off the combo with a Cyclone art.

Also, here's my Shulk special moves:
neutral: Buster: Shulk can charge this move, increasing it's length slightly with the charge.
forward: Purge: Shulk damages his foe from a distance
up: Speed: Shulk is charged with speed and release a high jump, no damage
down: Eater: Shulk unleashed a powergul move in which he runs toward the enemy.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Leg of Bionis also appears to be the signature area of the series, as it's also in X and on the cover. It was made to be in HD. I had to check to remember but Eryth Sea looks amazing.

Wait a minute...

The setting of Leg of Bionis is in X? I know the Bionis no longer exists, but like the setting itself is in X? If that is true, then there is continuity and a relation to Xenoblade.

I also have a theory based on the Mech suits the characters have. I think it might be possible that they are based off of "legend" being the Bionis and the Mechonis. It would kind of make sense for the Monado to not make an appearance, and it hasn't really been confirmed that Shulk won't be reappearing just yet. For all we know, he could show up with the Monado at some point anyway.

Wasn't the purpose of the Monado supposed to be to take down the Mechon? IT wouldn't serve too much significance to the plot unless it had some other purpose to be fulfilled in X.

I honestly am beginning to be reassured that X means nothing to Shulk. Honestly. If X get's representation, I believe we will get Shulk and the new guy. Kind of like Fire Emblem in Melee. I mean think about it. It's possible that Xenoblade may have spurred interest in a new series for Nintendo. Shulk is basically the poster boy because of Xenoblade, kind of like Marth (although I know Marth isn't the "mascot").

What do you guys think?

 

[jaytalks]

Wait a minute...

The setting of Leg of Bionis is in X? I know the Bionis no longer exists, but like the setting itself is in X? If that is true, then there is continuity and a relation to Xenoblade.

I also have a theory based on the Mech suits the characters have. I think it might be possible that they are based off of "legend" being the Bionis and the Mechonis. It would kind of make sense for the Monado to not make an appearance, and it hasn't really been confirmed that Shulk won't be reappearing just yet. For all we know, he could show up with the Monado at some point anyway.

Wasn't the purpose of the Monado supposed to be to take down the Mechon? IT wouldn't serve too much significance to the plot unless it had some other purpose to be fulfilled in X.

I honestly am beginning to be reassured that X means nothing to Shulk. Honestly. If X get's representation, I believe we will get Shulk and the new guy. Kind of like Fire Emblem in Melee. I mean think about it. It's possible that Xenoblade may have spurred interest in a new series for Nintendo. Shulk is basically the poster boy because of Xenoblade, kind of like Marth (although I know Marth isn't the "mascot").

What do you guys think?

No it just looks the same, so I felt like it was. Sorry for the confusion.

I think that would be interesting if X and Xenoblade get characters. I just wish they would give X a proper name. I think they haven't since it's connected to Xenoblade but it doesn't feature the Xenoblade (Monado). I personally prefer characters who are already in released games, but I wouldn't mind with X. As long as we get Shulk.

 

[kikaru]

It could still be possible... though I'm still not convinced that the two games are in the same setting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQrYwYbwlS4

If you examine between 1:07-1:12 you'll notice some enormous gears in the background, could these be ancient remains of Mechonis? I'm not entirely sure myself as the designs seem to differ.

However, at 1:25 I can't help but imagine that those monsters in the air are Telethia...

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

No it just looks the same, so I felt like it was. Sorry for the confusion.

I think that would be interesting if X and Xenoblade get characters. I just wish they would give X a proper name. I think they haven't since it's connected to Xenoblade but it doesn't feature the Xenoblade (Monado). I personally prefer characters who are already in released games, but I wouldn't mind with X. As long as we get Shulk.

Ah, alright.

No matter. The fact that Nintendo is putting a bit of focus on X gives me the idea that they know Xenoblade did pretty well. Sakurai must know too. If the series is going to continue, then Shulk would be an even better choice for Smash.

Shulk has a lot going for him. I think the only thing going against him is the fact that he is possibly a one shot character. But we won't know until later as far as that goes I guess.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

It could still be possible... though I'm still not convinced that the two games are in the same setting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQrYwYbwlS4

If you examine between 1:07-1:12 you'll notice some enormous gears in the background, could these be ancient remains of Mechonis? I'm not entirely sure myself as the designs seem to differ.

However, at 1:25 I can't help but imagine that those monsters in the air are Telethia...

Hate to double post, but I see it.

There is a similarity to the Leg of Bionis here. Some of the areas in the trailer look incredibly similar to those in Xenoblade. Honestly, right now, based off of what I've seen, I have this feeling it is related to Xenoblade.

 

[foolssigma]

It could still be possible... though I'm still not convinced that the two games are in the same setting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQrYwYbwlS4

If you examine between 1:07-1:12 you'll notice some enormous gears in the background, could these be ancient remains of Mechonis? I'm not entirely sure myself as the designs seem to differ.

However, at 1:25 I can't help but imagine that those monsters in the air are Telethia...

The first thing I thought of when I saw that part of the trailer was that those creatures had to be Telethia. I really feel like X is going to be linked to Xenoblade spiritually if it is not some sort of sequel. Most of the game is obviously in the dark right now, but the main character resembled Shulk in the reveal trailer. Personally, I would prefer if it was a continuation with a lot of the characters returning along with new characters. The ending of Xenoblade was in no way a cliff hanger, but it can be built off of if Monolith really wants to do so.

 

[jaytalks]

The first thing I thought of when I saw that part of the trailer was that those creatures had to be Telethia. I really feel like X is going to be linked to Xenoblade spiritually if it is not some sort of sequel. Most of the game is obviously in the dark right now, but the main character resembled Shulk in the reveal trailer. Personally, I would prefer if it was a continuation with a lot of the characters returning along with new characters. The ending of Xenoblade was in no way a cliff hanger, but it can be built off of if Monolith really wants to do so.

The end of X's reveal trailer was always puzzling to me. Why would that face that looks like Shulk be so important if it wasn't Shulk? But if it was Shulk, why wouldn't they confirm it? I guess it could be Shulk's kid.

I generally like RPG's that have a great deal of finality in their ending to just move on to the next generation.

 

[FlareHabanero]

For those that have Animal Crossing: New Leaf, here's a little gift.

 

[foolssigma]

Great job on the shirt, too bad I don't own the game. Maybe I'll get it soon. Are there any Xenoblade references in the game?

I have different feelings depending on the RPG. When I play Persona 3 and 4, I don't want the games to end. Actually I didn't want Xenoblade to be over either. I prefer these really lengthy titles and like when games have sequels or continuations with well written and executed stories. I consider Metal Gear Solid to have good connections even though the plot gets crazy at times. (I realized that's not an RPG..) We'll only know the answers to the mysteries of X whenever the next Nintendo Direct airs, which can be anytime in the next couple of months.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Are there any Xenoblade references in the game?

No. Generally speaking Nintendo references are regulated to Super Mario Bros., The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox, F-Zero, and Pikmin. References to other franchises are absent.

Also interestingly, you can get a Virtual Boy, which is a rare thing for Nintendo to reference.