Halloween Party Mafia ~ Over! Who drowned bobbing for apples? Who won Best Costume?

[Asdioh]

Jailor is essentially a paranoid doctor, I know this from Ragnarok Mafia.

They protect their target, but prevent them from leaving and doing any night actions, I know this.

502 bad gateway ate my post, so here's shortened version:

@Moth: why can't July have been the yak target??

@X1: do you think July was the yak target? Is your reasoning for her being scum stemming largely from her simply being alive? The way I see it, she's alive because of one of the following:

-left alive for wifom purposes, which is super risky by scum, and doubtful.
-was converted to mafia
-there's some sort of strongman role, that also ignores being jailed. It made sense to me at first (I was thinking voldemort) but then I remembered that they had a janitor, and still hadn't killed july after her claim. Hmm.

 

[Shadow Moth]

She technically could have been, as I said. But I'm very confident in my town read on her.

 

[X1-12]

Jailors can also be scum from the start

 

[Shadow Moth]

Jailors can also be scum from the start

How does this contribute to the conversation?
ANYONE HERE COULD HAVE BEEN SCUM FROM THE START. ALL YOU ARE DOING IS BRINGING WIFOM TO THE TABLE.

Do I need to tell you that WIFOM is anti-town? I hope not.

 

[X1-12]

Its not WIFOM, if say you flipped scum it doesn't clear July just because its confirmed that she wasnt the yak target

 

[Shadow Moth]

but it doesn't incriminate her either.

it's wifom.

 

[X1-12]

You're an idiot.

its not meant to incriminate her, its just meant to ensure she doesn't get falsely cleared if you flipped scum for example.

 

[Asdioh]

time to find scum guys

 

[X1-12]

From my POV its 2 from Vult/July/Smoth. I'm fine with JTB because I don't think he'd bother putting this much effort if he were scum when he knows he could just do nothing and basically get a free win. I'm fine with SDO basically cause of Ran's earlier play. This is sloppy and lazy on my part I know but that's all you're getting

 

[July]

I've had to shift my priorities around and this fell to the bottom.

I had pinned Tan as Town since early in the game. It just made sense after TCat dropped out, which also made sense understanding her playstyle. I thought it was dumb to lynch her since the kill still went through. I've never seen a non-killing Janitor.

I think you should more look at how my actions make COMPLETE sense considering my play this far. Smoth deserved to be copped, and I let go of him after I copped him. I shot AA when he desperately needed to be shot (because I would actually consider that scum would kill him? let's be serious.) -- he needed to be shot BEFORE that, but I was obviously going to get the cop out first.

I can't wrap my head around a Mafia Roleblocker that hasn't blocked any of the claimed power roles.

I can't wrap my head around scum risking a kill on a BP CLAIM when there is a Jailer.

I also pinned July as Town and now there's this shift to me from seemingly nowhere when there are really shifty, unexplained actions and really sucky claims (Two "Leader of Light"? Three Backups? I just don't see it).

Will try to have a lead within two days. I implore people to read into actions more. Actions aren't adding up and I think I'm the last person who should be on the spotlight of it all. -_-

The thing is that you just happened to shoot aa the night he was mafia killed and janitored? I think that its much more likely there was only one kill and it was a mafia kill on aa. Also why did you "obviously" have to get the cop out before the vig shot?

Also you've been on my scum list ever since the claims started, originally I thought it was between you/JTB/Gova (since you and Gova had yet to claim) but obviously things changed with Gova's claim and JTB's hammer yesterDay, but you have done nothing to make me feel better about you since then.

July to be fair its possible that say I was the mafia RB and RBed you and killed someone else and mine just happened to get priority, or this same situation with Vult last Night.

JTB I'm town leader of the light, my alignment can't be changed (recruitment/yak) nor can it appear to be changed (tailor)

If that were the case shouldn't I have received notice that I was roleblocked or that my action didn't go through?

Also X1 I want your opinion on this:

In case I get quicklynched before I wake up, which has always been the case.

I targeted Gheb N4, and I got the result that my target visited Gheb. This was my primary concern when deciding to lynch Gheb and I spent most of the time trying to coax Nabe into telling me who I actually tracked but failed. That is what I was doing when I said I had stuff to check. Since I know now Gheb doesn't have a visiting role it means I was redirected to July or bus driver shenannigans. You guys should consider if Tandora is lying or not since she claimed to target July N4 so I shouldn't have been able to track July to Gheb.

N5 I tracked X1 and didn't get a result back. Either I was roleblocked or something interferred with my role.

Stuff
-July is basically semi-confirmed town now imo. I don't see why a scumteam would redirect me to their own scummate when they didn't know what my role was. Also she can't be the yakuza recruit (assuming recruited yakuza turns into a goon) because I confirmed her visiting Gheb. The only other scenario is that she's a mafia jailer which I think is unlikely.
-I'd look into JTB/Tandora, One shot flavor cop seems useless to town, unless it's a red herring role or something. Tandora has been explained above.
-Not sure what to think about X1, claiming a role that's already flipped... which doesn't bother me to be honest but I figure it was more likely that AA had this role and it was why Swiss/AA knew each other were town for some reason.
-Since I think July is town, I'm just gonna trust her Ranmaru read I guess.
-Not sure what to think of Vult... but I still think I'm townier than he is.
-Moth/Sang shouldn't be taken as town due to the yakuza. It feels like there's a disconnect between them in thread imo. IE I figure they would come to a consensus on their reads before they post them in thread if they are confirmed town to each other. Someone should re-read the thread after EBR's flip to see if their reads in thread are consistant. Also I feel like they should elaborate on their reads more from their private communication like what they didn't agree on, why did some reads change, etc.

You also need to address Asdioh's questions to you about your suspicions of me, because I don't like the fact that I suddenly emerged in your lynch pool just because I'm alive.

I also think this post is important because Gova's N4 actions suggest that there is a bus driver or redirective role. Not sure what we can gain from that atm but at least we have some idea what we are still dealing with.

Sorry about yesterDay. I got distracted every time I went to post here.

Everyone here except July could be scum. July isn't confirmed but I'm very confident she's town.
I can't be scum unless I was yakked. And since I'm me, I know I'm town.

If you think that Vult is scum then Asdioh must be scum as well because Vult is the only one left he could be a backup for. We already have a flipped nurse and July is the only claimed protective role. If you think Asdioh is town then Vult cannot be scum unless he was yakked.

Anyone really could have been yakked, except July IMO.
Even if their role is confirmed it doesn't confirm their alignment.

I do still think Asdioh is town, but I don't see why there would need to be a back-up for Vult's role, and according to this http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Nurse, Nurse can also just be named townie. So I do still think that Asdioh is my back-up.

Alright, town:

Me
Asdioh
JTB

Possible Scum:

Shadow Moth
X1
Vult

I think Vult should be the lynch toDay. I don't believe his claim, and all of his actions (copping Shadow, vigging aa, and docing Shadow) are not only convenient but they can't be verified. He also thinks that he shouldn't be in the spotlight toDay because there are more suspicious claims (back-ups, two leaders of light) which seems like a lot of deflection.

As for X1 and Shadow Moth...uggh idk. X1's play since the Jdioh lynch has been very complacent, until toDay which I think has been highly unproductive just talking about how me being alive could make me scum -_- However, having jailed him twice with no result and remembering his strong early play I'm skeptical. However, I'm also skeptical of his role, just because he says he couldn't have been the one yakked because he's "Town Leader of Light" doesn't make it true.

Exact opposite for Shadow Moth. I didn't really like Shadow's early play, but the last couple of Days he's been better, and obviously the fact that he was confirmed town via masonry helps. Also, if I'm right and Vult is scum, would he really claim an inno on a scummate? And would Kuz actually manage to yak a mason TWICE??? (me in TT and Shadow here). Also Sang seemed to firmly believe that Shadow is still town, which having been in the position of yakked mason in TT for only 24 hours, it was still hard to hold down a mason and a scum qt without acting more cautious and twitchy. Gova does make a good point about there being a disconnect between them in the thread however. Finally, I do like that he has been going against X1's asinine reasons for suspecting me toDay HOWEVER someone could have just told him I'm more likely to get a town read on someone if they are nice to me, Tandora was pretty nice to me too -_-

Bleeeh, anyways lynch order preference Vult>X1>Shadow Moth.

 

[Asdioh]

Wait, do yakuzas get to choose who they convert?

I would have chosen July...

 

[Asdioh]

*reading old stuff*

*remembering the ending of awkward moments mafia*

*not wanting to have a solid read on anyone*

 

[Asdioh]

someone do something with me or i'll hate you all forever.

I know! First person to help me develop reads is town!

 

[Asdioh]

Why the **** did you guys lynch Jdioh on D4. What is wrong with you.

 

[Asdioh]

I swear to god if it's a July/Moth scumteam

 

[Asdioh]

except moth's a mason so unless he was yakked...


Anyway, assuming we're looking for 2 remaining mafia, here are the possible combinations. The players we have left are July, Moth, X1, Vult, and JTB. I am town, unfortunately.

btw, a list of night actions would help me, since they seem too spread out for me to see them all at once.
Vult did what, on what nights?
July jailed who, on what nights?
Moth doesn't have a night action
X1 doesn't have a night action
JTB I don't even know what his role does

[collapse=combos]July/Moth
July/X1 (mostly because of X1 attacking her without needing to)
July/Vult (her recent attack on Vult)
July/JTB

Moth/X1 (Moth listed him as a scumpick a looong time ago, when there was no pressure on him)
Moth/Vult
Moth/JTB

X1/Vult
X1/JTB

Vult/JTB[/collapse]


That's only 10 possible combinations.
I struck out the ones I personally find the most unlikely, from what I remember and have read recently in this game >_> which I've been in over a month even though I replaced in D3 wtf large private games

Vult's slot is the slot I remember the least from.

I'm going to stop here for now. If you want to strike out any of these combinations, or add to them, please do so, we need to do something

 

[Asdioh]

posting this to pressure people to post so i have something to do

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whoever you are, post. even if you're not in this game

 

[Asdioh]

Spoiler

 

[July]

Wait, do yakuzas get to choose who they convert?

I would have chosen July...

Lol I'm honored <3 well honestly I think that Kuz would have (since he did in TT) but Ryker would have never let him pick me to be yakked, of the people left, they didn't pick me and I deff don't think they would have picked Ran. Shadow Moth I don't know that they would pick but I have never seen Kuz/Ryker in a game with Shadow. Vult...replaced Soup, idk if that's a possibility, but I'm leaning more no. X1 is a definite possibility.

Still leaves me down to my 3 scum picks being most likely to have been yakked :-/ Leaning more X1 that way but honestly idk wtf would be going on in Ryker's head making a decision on who to be yakked so I'm not even steady in that.

Also I couldn't find a mafiascum description of a yak -_- but the only one I've experienced got to chose who was yakked when they died. IF not and it just went to someone already selected based on role/flavor or something, Nabe would totally have it be one of the masons (at this point Shadow Moth) just to **** with us.

Why the **** did you guys lynch Jdioh on D4. What is wrong with you.

Honestly so that X1 would help me lynch Gheb the next Day. There was also J pushing EBR, backing off suddenly, and then saying something along the lines of "I don't want you to die, I'm fighting to save you" that made me uneasy as well.

except moth's a mason so unless he was yakked...


Anyway, assuming we're looking for 2 remaining mafia, here are the possible combinations. The players we have left are July, Moth, X1, Vult, and JTB. I am town, unfortunately.

btw, a list of night actions would help me, since they seem too spread out for me to see them all at once.
Vult did what, on what nights? N5- copped Shadow Moth and got an inno, N6- vigged aa, N7- doc protected Shadow Moth
July jailed who, on what nights? N1- Swords, N2-Sang, N3- X1, N4- Gheb, N5- X1, N6- Tandora, N7- Vult
Moth doesn't have a night action
X1 doesn't have a night action
JTB I don't even know what his role does Back-up for Circus- one-shot flavor cop, targeted X1 and got Rufus Scrimgeour

What I see as options

[collapse=combos]July/Moth
July/X1 (mostly because of X1 attacking her without needing to)
July/Vult (her recent attack on Vult)
July/JTB

Moth/X1 (Moth listed him as a scumpick a looong time ago, when there was no pressure on him) Kinda agree, but for different reasons; I think their interactions toDay are more indicative of them not being scummates than just having X1 on his scum list when there was no pressure; if there is no chance of a wagon forming on that person it's a pretty safe move for scummates to do to distance a little
Moth/Vult
Moth/JTB (I'm still having a lot of trouble seeing scum JTB come into the thread LITERALLY 2 minutes before deadline to hammer his scummate instead of letting there be a no lynch)

X1/Vult
X1/JTB

Vult/JTB[/collapse]

So to me most likely looks like Moth/Vult, X1/Vult or maaaybe X1/Moth

That's only 10 possible combinations.
I struck out the ones I personally find the most unlikely, from what I remember and have read recently in this game >_> which I've been in over a month even though I replaced in D3 wtf large private games

Vult's slot is the slot I remember the least from.

I'm going to stop here for now. If you want to strike out any of these combinations, or add to them, please do so, we need to do something

 

[Shadow Moth]

I'm actually agreeing with the Vult wagon. I think he's a good lynch choice today.

Vote: Vult

Also I highly doubt Nurse is just a named VT. We've had no other VT flips/claims. Having there be only one VT would be odd. I stand by what I said about Asdioh being scum on a Vult scum flip.

 

[JTB]

X1, Vult, and Shadow Moth, who are your lynch pools for toDay? Reasoning for them as well too.

 

[JTB]

talk about a ninja

 

[Asdioh]

but Ryker would have never let him pick me to be yakked, of the people left, they didn't pick me and I deff don't think they would have picked Ran. Shadow Moth I don't know that they would pick but I have never seen Kuz/Ryker in a game with Shadow.

Does Ryker not like you or something? ಠ_ಠ
Ryker picking Moth is definitely a possibility, he seems to talk about how Moth is underrated or whatever very often.

Vult's actions seem the most suspicious, but I have to empathize with him a little because I was a JoaT in Touhou and didn't get anything useful done with my shots (got an inno on someone who died a couple days later, vigged a bulletproof guy, docced the BP indy)
If Vult's mafia, I would have to consider Moth as a likely buddy because of that inno.

If JTB is town, then obviously he and X1 are telling the truth and X1 really is Rufus. I have trouble seeing Rufus being called a "leader of the light," but whatever. I thought it would be really strange to simply have one player be immune to being yakked, but since he claims that Dumbledore (Swiss) was the same role, it makes a tiny bit more sense.



Btw the thing about JTB hammering literally two minutes before deadline... even if he didn't, it would mean 7 players left toDay instead of 6, with presumably 3 scum instead of 2. Scum still wouldn't have won without another mislynch or no lynch, and leaving her alive would make her look even more suspicious, and possibly incriminate JTB further for not hammering, thus hurting scum more than him hammering.
tl;dr I'm taking it into consideration, but mostly thinking of it as wifom.

 

[Asdioh]

Hell, if you want to make this easy, just look at yesterDay's lynch.

5/8 to lynch.

Tandora [5]: July, Asdioh, X1-12, Gova, JTB
Gova [1]: Tandora

Not voting: Vult Redux, Shadow Moth

July: it could have been a bus, and if it was then good job. She made it convincing, if she's scum. But then again X1 is correct here

Spoiler

Herpaderp claimed protective has been outed for 2 days and is still around? Yet she's auto-town? What cause she pushed Tandora? In 5 man LYLO or similar the scum don't even have to survive that Day, all they have to do is not appear connected to their buddy.

Asdioh: literally jumped on the wagon, barely reading the thread. I had "a worse feeling" about Tandora than Gova (the only other person being voted for) so I voted for her to make something happen.

X1: just followed suit similarly. It doesn't seem like blending or anything because he had been expressing intent to lynch her most of the Day.

Gova: is dead.

JTB: really looked like he didn't want her lynched. The only person on the wagon I find suspicious.


Vult and Moth are the only ones who didn't vote.





Scumminess seems to lie mostly on Vult and Moth...... but Moth is voting for Vult now. :|
Then again, the X1 quote above perfectly shows why that doesn't mean anything.

I'm going in circles.

 

[Asdioh]

Moth, I might suggest unvoting, just because I've seen bad things happen too often in these situations. ducktalesawkwardmoments

Don't forget that No Lynch is a valid option toDay, as unappealing as it sounds.

 

[JTB]

NO ONE VOTE, I AM MAKING AS MUCH SENSE OF THIS GAME AS I CAN

vult UNVOTE NOW

im going to finish this post tonight and ill be back after work tomorrow to keep pushing it, but i do NOT WANT A LYNCH BEFORE THEN

 

[Asdioh]

Why did it take you 25 minutes to have that reaction ಠ_ಠ

 

[JTB]

because im on to something and it will rock the very foundation of this game

 

[Asdioh]

a quick iso of Soup (aka Vult) screamed "town" to me.
But that was before Yak.
...and all the more reason for them to Yak him, if they're allowed to choose.
Especially since he's Soup, and I could see Kuz wanting to Yak him.

So yeah \(o_o)/lololol

 

[JTB]

asdioh, who are your preferred lynches toDay? reasoning for each please

 

[Asdioh]

I think my recent posts have made it clear who I think seem scummiest (Vult and Moth) but I've also said why I'm having my doubts on those, as well as doubts on the townier reads. I'm unsure who I want to lynch, and am trying to figure that out myself.

going to bed now though, g'night. I look forward to your post though, inb4 foundations are rocked

 

[JTB]

ugh, theres literally so many confusing things going on

Gheb flipped nurse, meaning a) theres a doctor in the game, or b) there is no doctor and nurse was named townie

Asdioh claims to be backup, meaning a) there is a specific role he is backup to, or b) there is no role and hes a named townie

If we believe July to be a Jailor, then Asdioh cannot be backup for July. This implies one of two things:

a) Asdioh is backup for Vult, the only person with a night action
b) Asdioh is not backup, but scum

I strongly believe that if Asdioh is backup, then he isnot just a named townie and there is a specific role he is backup to, meaning that if Asdioh is town, Vult has to have started the game as a town role.

BUT, that is just the beginning.

I flavor copped X1, getting the result of "Rufus Scrimgeour" on my second attempt. If we are to assume that Rufus Scrimgeour implies a town role (which I strongly think it does, given the flavor), then X1 is Rufus Scrimgeour. And what does that mean?

Vult and X1 cannot be on a scumteam together if Rufus Scrimgeour implies a town role and Asdioh is town. Both players begun the game as a town role and it is impossible for both to have their alignments shifted.

I've taken in the possibility of being re-directed, but I strongly doubt I was. Once I claimed X1 was Rufus, then the real Rufus would have spoken up.

But wait! There is more.

Once again, if Asdioh is town, Vult has to have started as town. However, if Shadow Moth is scum, he has to be have been the yakuza target and there is NO doubting this since Sang has already flipped mason and stated that Moth was confirmed town to her. What does this mean?

If Asdioh is town, then Vult and Shadow Moth cannot be on a scumteam together.

So, to review everything.

X1 and Vult can't be on a scumteam together.
Vult and Shadow Moth can't be on a scumteam together.
Shadow Moth and X1 can't be on a scumteam together.

If Asdioh is town.

ToDay, two people have voiced concern over July still being alive.

Why is July still alive?

Jailer backup makes perfect sense. It is strange that July's still alive, but what can I say?

It makes perfect sense that July is still alive. What doesn't make sense is the two of you voicing concern over that after this.

In case I get quicklynched before I wake up, which has always been the case.

I targeted Gheb N4, and I got the result that my target visited Gheb. This was my primary concern when deciding to lynch Gheb and I spent most of the time trying to coax Nabe into telling me who I actually tracked but failed. That is what I was doing when I said I had stuff to check. Since I know now Gheb doesn't have a visiting role it means I was redirected to July or bus driver shenannigans. You guys should consider if Tandora is lying or not since she claimed to target July N4 so I shouldn't have been able to track July to Gheb.

I'm not 100% sure on X1 scum yet, but I'm definitely sold on Asdioh scum.

Vote: Asdioh

 

[JTB]

now im going to sleep since i shouldve been doing that an hour ago but this has been nagging at me since toDay started and i finally decided to sit down and do it

good night

 

[X1-12]

I started thinking why is July alive when reading through the postgame of a recent game (MMX?) When inferno claimed doc and lived for 3 days and everyone was like, why didn't you even question that???

 

[JTB]

Inferno claimed doc on d3 though? And how is that relevant? We know there is a redirector in this game since Gova already flipped and by bringing up the wifom involving why July is still alive is straight up scummy.

 

[X1-12]

Its still not WIFOM. Its deciding not to go into MYLO with misconceptions as to who is clear and not.

 

[JTB]

The only person that would be technically clear is shadow moth, but the yakuza flip throws that out of wack.

I'm not ignoring the fact that july could be scum, but I find it extremely unlikely given her play.

If asdioh flips scum, it makes july even more town to me after the last post I quoted and him suggesting she would be the best person to target with the yakuza

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Inferno claimed doc d3, tery shot rr, boat was quickhammered the next day, mafia wins.

Sorry nabe, just wanted to clarify.

 

[JTB]

Because I'm not qualified to relate the events of that game, right?

 

[JTB]

actually, I'm findingit really difficult to find X1 scum with my result on him since his claim fits the flavor perfectly and rufus as a bad guy makes literally no sense.