Halloween Party Mafia ~ Over! Who drowned bobbing for apples? Who won Best Costume?

[Vult Redux]

So, Vult. What do you think of Ryker's puch on your slot?

A waste of energy. He knows I can't defend it since I'm not Soup so there wouldn't be any progress on that hand. AND he kept with the vote even though Ran was the only one to express interest in it because he flipped against EBR.

so scummy yeah. I remember when I played scum on MS a long while back I would spend a lot of effort on one player just to occupy my attention. His play reminds me of that.

Is it justified?

Well, no.

I may have missed it - but what are your reads?

I have AA as scum and towards the end of the D2 I was starting to see scum in TCat also (will explain later). The more I talk about EBR the more I think he is scum also. I think X1 said something that bothered me a lot but I don't remember what it was.

What do you think of Soup claiming town outside of threasd to me? Ignoring the fact I was expressly told by the mod to ignore it (but of course won't) - would you consider holding hands with me and voting in unison, carring each other to LyLo until I get NK'd.

Unfair, but it's already there so.

Maybe. I like your reads.

I liked TCat though. : /

She lurked a lot and never voted. Why did you like her?

 

[Vult Redux]

At least your abrasive attitude shows you're town.

what. no.

Elaborate please.

 

[Tandora]

In FF, he softly defended me against J (a confirmed scum) saying that J was insulting my intelligence. He's never done that as town.

Knowing that Ryker is comfortable to tell me that I'm wrong and he doesn't like my play shows he's comfortable speaking his mind instead of playing it safe or sucking up to me.

I admit that I'm leery that Kuz being part of the hydra could screw my read up. Kuzi totally takes advantage of my feelings for him. It's like a kind of magic. Mind controlling magic.... o.o

Seriously though, I'm kinda sleep derived loopy, so I've being very silly. I really feel comfortable in my read on EBR because of the activity I've seen from Ryker (the posts are obviously his) who usually gets really quiet as scum. It's how I caught him the last couple of times. And I think I figured out the theme, so his claim makes me even more confident that he's town.

I'll be able to confirm my guess during night phase.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Tandora what about their claims makes them looks town to you. Play is one thing but I'm not seeing how their name claiming makes then town.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

so is Swiss v EBR tvt in this case for you?

 

[Tandora]

As I mentioned, it's based on my guess for the game.

And I do believe it's TvT mostly because those two desperately wanna be the rooster in the henhouse. Both feed off arrogance and bully techniques to get town rolling.

 

[Tandora]

Last post of the night. I did my ISO on Gheb's slot. Raziek didn't contribute, so he's practically null.

Gheb pushed ALOT for inactives. I agree with the theory definitely because inactives kill late game with no contributions and no reads, but it's not anything I've seen from Gheb before. He's very convinced of his reads on Ran, Swiss, and RR. I really disagree with his first two choices. RR I'll definitely will need to check over.

I don't like how his intro was "I"m not gonna read" and his huge dependency on other's reads. I don't agree with his scumpicks. And I don't like his unwavering on those scumpicks.

I do like his attempt to help lead the lynch on D2 to avoid a NL, but I think his choice was too low on vote counts to get the lynch and his total unwillingness to accept any responsibility seemed strange to me.

It always seems off to me when players mention "textbook scum play" (post 969).

I don't like the hard push on inactives, the initial refusal to read, and the strangely stubborn insistence of his scumpicks two of which are definite town reads.

VOTE GHEB

 

[Swiss]

For some content:
1) Swiss is town. I promise 100%. I know he's acted a bit like a weasel this game with his one-liners and faking a restriction. But I got mind control on that ginger and I tell you that he's town. Kuz, you remember how I knew in NBC, right?

I am sure there is no way you could know I'm town. Did I accidentally admit it somewhere?

If it were possible to dislike your EBR stance anymore, I may be driven to fly over to America and personally wreck your ****.

Gheb lynch is meh. Yes he can die, but there are jucier, scummier fish out there. If EVR is town, why was he afraid of thread power? The only possible explanation is that he has a strong PR yet he has already admitted to not cracking the flavour.

Bugger off, Ryker. At least your abrasive attitude shows you're town. Just be happy we're on the same faction for once and let's work together to win, okay? Just ONCE, let's cooperate.

And if you're cannot accept that, then just let Kuz talk to me. I like him way better than you anyway...baby.

How abraisive was Ryker in Dissidia? Insanely so. Why is abraisiveness a town tell? Also, your wording is bizarre and you misspelt "you".

So anyways back to the EBR lynch.

 

[Swiss]

I like to think that I understand the way this game works well enough to know what my concern should be and what not. If ~6 people are inactive at this phase of the game and 4 of them fail to vote at all then there is a problem and it's not acceptable. I'm actually surprised that so many people are OK with leaving inactives around. Lynching them gives us no information ... leaving them alive CERTAINLY doesn't give us any more information either while the inactivity continues to be a problem and increasingly hard to deal with.

Lynching people for information is a dumb idea. Always was and will always be. If somebody gives you information by his presence then lynching him for information only cuts off information flow while leaving deadweight around. And if there's one thing I've learned in the ~30 games I've played here then it's that inactivity will ALWAYS caus a problem sooner or later.

Or to look at this issue from a different perspective: what expectations do you have to actually win the game if we have Gova, Acrostic, Asianaussie, Traveling Cat and yourself in a mylo/lylo situation? That's instant-loss for town and if I can help preventing such a ****ed up scenario I will do so whenever possible.



The whole post was scummy - the typicall scum catch-up/filler post. Quote some stuff here and there to make it look big and responsive, respond with meaningless one-liners and pretend to do stuff. Chibo would do that as scum all day erriday. It's a textbook example of feigning usefulness.

This whole post is ****ed up.

See bolded minus one liners - that's what you just did.

Is Tan a' sniffin' a scum here? What do you think of her push on you? Why is it understandable?

 

[Swiss]

A waste of energy. He knows I can't defend it since I'm not Soup so there wouldn't be any progress on that hand. AND he kept with the vote even though Ran was the only one to express interest in it because he flipped against EBR.

so scummy yeah. I remember when I played scum on MS a long while back I would spend a lot of effort on one player just to occupy my attention. His play reminds me of that.

K. Well, don't I need to re-evaluate looking into you on an EBR scum flip then? You probably should have pointed that mistake out to me.

I have AA as scum and towards the end of the D2 I was starting to see scum in TCat also (will explain later). The more I talk about EBR the more I think he is scum also. I think X1 said something that bothered me a lot but I don't remember what it was.

I await with anticipation.

Unfair, but it's already there so.

So what? Should I accept it? Also, why would Soup claim town to me outside of thread unless he believed myself to be town? You should definitely hold my hand.

Maybe. I like your reads.

Is that a yes or a no, friend? My arm is getting tried - being held out for so long.

 

[Swiss]

Also, Sang.

Explain to me why you're useless. I intend to lynch useless people. Are you scum? I think you might be. Make a short case as to why you are town.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I don't like how his intro was "I"m not gonna read" and his huge dependency on other's reads. I don't agree with his scumpicks. And I don't like his unwavering on those scumpicks.

You know I posted the "not gonna read" part before I even got my role PM? <_<
And what "dependency on other's reads" do you mean? For somebody who makes such a strong accusation you're being very vague. Not only are your points not very clear but you also fail to mention how any of that is suspicious to begin with.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I love how everybody goes "omg Gheb has Ran as scum u dum?!?!?" How about actualy responding to my points I brought up against him? I've pointed out plenty scummy things about him but nobody has ever backed up the town read - at least you could've tried to show what's wrong with it instead of just sheeping around on the town read that others have [this goes to like everybody who claims Ran tu be obvtown].

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Vult, I kinda want an answer from you @EBR read. Make this game a little easier for me =/

 

[Swiss]

I love how everybody goes "omg Gheb has Ran as scum u dum?!?!?" How about actualy responding to my points I brought up against him? I've pointed out plenty scummy things about him but nobody has ever backed up the town read - at least you could've tried to show what's wrong with it instead of just sheeping around on the town read that others have [this goes to like everybody who claims Ran tu be obvtown].

Scummy =/= scum.

Dumb =/= Scum.

Scum = Thinking and playing like scum.

Him taking us frm RVS to RQS was utterly banal, but try he did. His attempt to create a useful town is what counted, why would he not have rightcheous fury when accused of playing scummy when he went out of his way to help town?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Bugger off, Ryker. At least your abrasive attitude shows you're town. Just be happy we're on the same faction for once and let's work together to win, okay? Just ONCE, let's cooperate.

And if you're cannot accept that, then just let Kuz talk to me. I like him way better than you anyway...baby.

I like you more. Not necessarily in a read.

She lurked a lot and never voted. Why did you like her?

The content she did put forward was stuff I agreed with, especially the early game posts.

 

[X1-12]

tan i dont hate you i just usually think youre scum for posting really dumb and baseless reads with ridiculous conviction ie: swiss is town 100% i know because i read him right in one other game

asdioh char claim already

 

[Asdioh]

I'm dressed as Lady van Tassel, from Sleepy Hollow.
I hope that helped
also I'm town and lazy

 

[Swiss]

Why did Asdioh of all people have to char claim?

 

[Asdioh]

because i'm so scummy

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Votecount 3-3

8/15 to lynch.

EBR! [4]: Swiss, Asdioh, Red Ryu, July
Asdioh [2]: X1-12, Ranmaru
Swiss [1]: Shadow Moth
Gheb [1]: Tandora
Ranmaru [1]: Gheb


Not voting: Gova, Acrostic, EBR!, Vult Redux, asianaussie, SangfroidWarrior

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[collapse=Vote Log] Swiss > EBR! > Asdioh > EBR!
X1-12 > Asdioh
Gova
Acrostic
Gheb > Swiss > Ranmaru
Red Ryu > EBR!
July > EBR!
EBR!
Vult Redux
Ranmaru > Asdioh
Asdioh > asianaussie > EBR!
asianaussie
Shadow Moth > Swiss
SangfroidWarrior
Tandora > Gheb
[/collapse]

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Gova, Acrostic, and asianaussie have been prodded.

 

[Swiss]

Counting on Gova, AA, Vult and X1 to vote EBR.

But if other people want to impress me then feel free.

 

[Tandora]

I am sure there is no way you could know I'm town. Did I accidentally admit it somewhere?

Why would you lie about that? ;_;

If it were possible to dislike your EBR stance anymore, I may be driven to fly over to America and personally wreck your ****.

When gingers fly. =3

Gheb lynch is meh. Yes he can die, but there are jucier, scummier fish out there. If EVR is town, why was he afraid of thread power? The only possible explanation is that he has a strong PR yet he has already admitted to not cracking the flavour.

Was EVR intentional instead of EBR? Is this a Euro pronunciation thing?

How abraisive was Ryker in Dissidia? Insanely so. Why is abraisiveness a town tell? Also, your wording is bizarre and you misspelt "you".

So anyways back to the EBR lynch.

Hm, you may have a point, but he was hydraing with you at the time so how much of that abrasiveness wasn't him? XD

Sorry for the bizzarre wording, I was pretty exhausted but I am so hyped about this game I stayed up late. I couldn't sleep because I was thinking about it. I haven't been this excited in a while. I also feel stupid for misspeling you. >_<

I know I can trust you Swiss, so I'll give EBR a reread just for my favorite ginger.

 

[Gova]

Vote: EBR, and yeah if someone has figured out the theme yet, they should totally say what it is in thread, seriously.

Knowing that Ryker is comfortable to tell me that I'm wrong and he doesn't like my play shows he's comfortable speaking his mind instead of playing it safe or sucking up to me.

I admit that I'm leery that Kuz being part of the hydra could screw my read up. Kuzi totally takes advantage of my feelings for him. It's like a kind of magic. Mind controlling magic.... o.o

Seriously though, I'm kinda sleep derived loopy, so I've being very silly. I really feel comfortable in my read on EBR because of the activity I've seen from Ryker (the posts are obviously his) who usually gets really quiet as scum. It's how I caught him the last couple of times. And I think I figured out the theme, so his claim makes me even more confident that he's town.

I'll be able to confirm my guess during night phase.

lol, except Ryker hasn't told you that you're wrong in this game, he's just said he doesn't like you and he's definitely never sucked up to you. I don't know where this is coming from lol. Also, costumes have no relation to alignment, it's just who he's in costume as. Unless he actually claimed his role and real character which I don't recall seeing.

As I mentioned, it's based on my guess for the game.

And I do believe it's TvT mostly because those two desperately wanna be the rooster in the henhouse. Both feed off arrogance and bully techniques to get town rolling.

lol, not even a competition. Swiss is clearly winning and I don't see Ryker trying to do anything imo.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Why is EBR scum?

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Also, Sang.

Explain to me why you're useless. I intend to lynch useless people. Are you scum? I think you might be. Make a short case as to why you are town.

According to you, I'm dumb town, so I guess that would make me useless. Otherwise, I don't think I'm useless in general, just at the moment as I try to catch up. If you plan on lynching useless people you're going to be the death of town, because there's a lot of useless people in this game and not all of them are scum. Not sure why you want me to answer the bolded, what with all the WIFOM and such. I'm town because I'm trying hunt out the scum and lead the town to winning.

Trying to catch up while doing a re-read at the same time. Will probably finish between tonight and tomorrow. Will adress everything else then.

 

[Tandora]

You know I posted the "not gonna read" part before I even got my role PM? <_<
And what "dependency on other's reads" do you mean? For somebody who makes such a strong accusation you're being very vague. Not only are your points not very clear but you also fail to mention how any of that is suspicious to begin with.

I mean when you had blatantly not read the thread you were asking people why certain people had been on the hot seat and what flips there had been.

And I don't even see how you saying "not gonna read" is even rationalized by not having a role pm. If you had said "I haven't had a chance to read" or "I'm no caught up" or even your later statements of "There's no way I will have had a chance to be caught up before the lynch", I'd feel more confident about you.

But your post of:

I'm replacing Raziek. I don't have a role PM yet and I'm not even going to pretend that I'll reread :3

Just seemed weird. Why would you state that? How do we even know you didn't have your PM yet and you were lying? Even when I didn't have my PM yet, my first thought was to dive into the thread and try to read as much as possible to get my own data. Instead you decided not to?

This quote is 15 minutes after the previous post:

Can we lynch one of these people and not waste time? Two days until deadline and Swiss, X1, aussie and myself all might have issues with the exact time of the deadline.

Vote Ranmaru

Are there any interesting claims that I need to know of? Why does EBR have the majority of votes? Is Kuz' backpack too heavy this time?
But for real 2 of the 3 people that vote EBR I actually consider decent mafia players so I'm confused what happened and like to hear a short summary of what makes him so suspicious to you. I'd like my fellow european butthead to do that.

This game has a lot of non-voters and prodded people at this stage of the game - why are you tolerating this? Just lynch the deadweight as long as there's still a somewhat unmanageable amount of players floating around and making things complicated.

Clearly you had no time to do research from your previous post yet you felt confident to vote immediately. I would let that pass as a townie trying to move the game on, but you've grabbed Ran with the grip of a bear trap and not let loose since then. You are clearly depending on other people's reads here.

You complain of textbook scum play:

Changing the wagon to DH would be a textbook cop-out for scum but since he was supposedly inactive and Sang probably doesn't know DH that well I'll consider it null then.

Yet as far as I'm concerned the majority of YOUR play has been textbook scum. You chase inactives, tunnel a player who had an early wagon relentlessly, refuse responsibilty for your actions, and poo poo everyone else for being incompetent. Also, as far as I can tell, your primary case against Ranmaru is meta because you have said that he wasn't playing like himself despite the fact you've never seen him as scum.

I also felt your response:

That's none of your business.

to Ranmaru asking your opinion of Joey was just bizarre. Isn't everyone's business to find out reads in Mafia? If Ran had asked for a detailed town list, I"d understand your reaction a little better. But why the completely shut down of a particular player?

 

[Tandora]

tan i dont hate you i just usually think youre scum for posting really dumb and baseless reads with ridiculous conviction ie: swiss is town 100% i know because i read him right in one other game

asdioh char claim already

I meant hate/hate relationship in game where we usually butt heads and don't see eye to eye. Out of game you and I get along well enough.

It's not a matter of reading Swiss right, it's knowing how a player always does this one little subtle thing as a certain faction. I specifically reminded Kuz because I told him during NBC.

 

[Tandora]

Also, costumes have no relation to alignment, it's just who he's in costume as.

I think the costumes are relevant. Why else would our characters wear them?

 

[Gova]

How do you know they're relevant though? You don't and it would be dumb to base reads off of stuff like that.

 

[Tandora]

I'm dressed as Lady van Tassel, from Sleepy Hollow.
I hope that helped
also I'm town and lazy

J was a girl. =3

 

[Tandora]

How do you know they're relevant though? You don't and it would be dumb to base reads off of stuff like that.

How do you know that I don't know? It's stupid of you to assume I'm wrong. >=O

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Can we lynch Gova? I don't think he has a useful post.

 

[Gova]

You would have told us then, and made everyone who thinks EBR is scum think differently. You haven't and therefore you don't.

 

[Tandora]

Can we lynch Gova? I don't think he has a useful post.

Post on your hydra, scrub.

 

[Swiss]

And I do believe it's TvT mostly because those two desperately wanna be the rooster in the henhouse.

Ryker ain't nothing but tomorrows KFC.

 

[Swiss]

According to you, I'm dumb town, so I guess that would make me useless. Otherwise, I don't think I'm useless in general, just at the moment as I try to catch up. If you plan on lynching useless people you're going to be the death of town, because there's a lot of useless people in this game and not all of them are scum. Not sure why you want me to answer the bolded, what with all the WIFOM and such. I'm town because I'm trying hunt out the scum and lead the town to winning.

Trying to catch up while doing a re-read at the same time. Will probably finish between tonight and tomorrow. Will adress everything else then.

Do not make me wait much longer.

 

[Swiss]

Also, if I wanted my stances according to me, I'd have asked for them. I want yours. Give examples of protown play.

 

[Tandora]

You would have told us then, and made everyone who thinks EBR is scum think differently. You haven't and therefore you don't.

See here's where my communication in mafia breaks down. I already stated based on claims, I felt Ryker and Ran were town. I even restated their claims. Since they only claimed their costumes, it seemed clear to me that I was referring to their costumes.

And I don't want to be specific about my guesses on the theme since as far as I can tell you're the only one pushing for that.