Halloween Party Mafia ~ Over! Who drowned bobbing for apples? Who won Best Costume?

[#HBC | Nabe]

Votecount 1-6

10/18 to lynch.

Dark Horse [11]: asianaussie, SangfroidWarrior, July, J, Circus, Sworddancer, Shadow Moth, Soupamario, traveling cat, EBR!, Swiss
Ranmaru [4]: Acrostic, Joey, Dark Horse, Red Ryu
Acrostic [1]: Gova
Circus [1]: Ranmaru

Not voting: Raziek

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[collapse=Vote Log] Swiss > Shadow Moth > J > Dark Horse
Joey > Shadow Moth > Ranmaru
Gova > Acrostic
Acrostic > Ranmaru
Circus > SangfroidWarrior > Ranmaru > Dark Horse
Raziek
Red Ryu > Joey > Ranmaru
July > Ranmaru > Gova > Dark Horse
EBR! > Ranmaru > Dark Horse
Dark Horse > Ranmaru
Soupamario > EBR! > Circus > Shadow Moth > EBR! > Dark Horse
Sworddancer > Swiss > EBR! > Dark Horse
Ranmaru > traveling cat > traveling cat > Circus
J > Circus > Unvote > EBR! > EBR! > EBR! > EBR! > EBR! > Dark Horse
asianaussie > Soupamario > Dark Horse
Shadow Moth > Joey > Swiss > Swiss > Ranmaru > Dark Horse
SangfroidWarrior > J > Unvote > Swiss > Dark Horse
traveling cat > Dark Horse
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With 10 votes, a lynch has been reached and it is now Twilight. You have these last hours to, amongst other things, get your D1 theme guess in. Don't waste it!

 

[ranmaru]

Also how am I always reaching?

I can see the original reasons as being reaching because I made a mistake.

@J: Oh. I thought you were questioning him as a scum read ;-;

I thought of it like this. You unvoted Circus, who I thought you had a scumread on. Then you go "Hey Sang your last few posts makes me want to vote you". Ok, so I say OH I like that. But then I see you unvote Circus ;-; I don't think his push on me was a good reason to unvote... THAT made me think "What if J is scum with circus but not with sang?" So that's why I felt uneasy about getting on Sang.

But I didn't know it was a joke ;-; Again I thought you had a scum read on Circus. So essentially, why were you questioning him? How did that help you?

Thank you, I appreciate it.

 

[ranmaru]

Swiss:

Swords because he said "Well Ran did something iffy, RR [blah blah] something scummy (don't remember what he said lol), and EBR's vote on Ran looks bad"

then he voted EBR. His reasoning wasn't good. Ebr didn't seem like he was mis painting me as scum. Thus I felt Swords was scum defending someone to get town cred.

Why is Swords town to you?

 

[ranmaru]

Also I do agree Sang asking "Who out of [Swiss, Ran] is scum?" was odd because she hasn't been scum hunting, just probing earlier like Soup was. She gave reads afterwards, but only after being pressured.

 

[#HBC | J]

Well, sure, you didn't phrase it that way, but that's basically what you were suggesting whether it was your intent or not. I don't have to be scum or dumb to see that.

J, I'm down to be in your League of Justice or whatever it is you're doing. But AA should definitely be bigger vig priority than Swiss, Joey (who is I think being replaced soon maybe hopefully?), and Acrostic. Gova and Raziek can totally go though, you're right. But AA's response to my first vig suggestion is what really set him apart for me. Methinks he be-ith a little paranoid.

Meh, I feel more like scared townie in it since I think AA is still a newbie but you could be right in the sense of scared scummy. I may just be looking at it through a different set of lenses.

Sweet, so that makes J/July/Circus. Where my strongarm and logistics person at?

I dislike this post intensely.

Why? You can't say empty statements and not back them up.

This won't mean anything to you.

He's not being honest, his earlier post (quoted) shows ulterior motives, as town J would never think to say "fair enough on...." - he wants to appear more assertive. Why show this innocent weakness? He is treading on eggshells and is largely pushing inactive players. IIRC from my skimming he also pushes me later on in the thread when he likely believe I wouldn't post again before the end of the day. A free kill on Swiss? Yes plz!

I'll construct a case later.

Ulterior motives? Pass me what you're smoking? (but not really) Why not show innocent weakness? The case could be made that I have nothing to hide which is 100% true . It's a bad point as long as another hypothetical situation is brought to light that makes just as much sense. I haven't pushed you in thread...? Come on Swissy, I am not feeling much heat.

In what way are my posts 'nulls'?

Explain this...accusation?

Because they don't give anything to look at and you don't back up what your saying at all. Plus your a floater this game. And I didn't accuse you but answer a question of who I wanted to lynch out of Swiss/Ran atm.

J doesn't know who his scumbuddies are, he's afraid to commit to anything major.

Eh? I don't even know if you are talking to the right person here based off how I would act as mafia for one. And also, I don't get how you came to that conclusion based on that post.

Joke seems out of place. J doesn't have access to a QT.

inb4JflipsQT'dtownmason

DH and J main scumspects.

Hahaha, really now Swissy?

Swords requests extension - J sheeps to look townie.

Swords votes Cello EBR - J sheeps to look townie.

J is playing safe, reactive. He isn't pro-active, he responds to what people do, but never forces any hands or takes the initiative.

Totally what I am doing. I am just a sheep to Swords. No but seriously, you need to read. Saying I don't force hands or take initiative shows how flawed your reading comprehension is this game.

 

[ranmaru]

J, I'm curious. Why do you still feel AA is a newbie? Why does that matter in reading him? (don't worry I have a reason for asking)

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So my parents are jerks and keep pushing times and dates to where I can't do anything.

Oh, DH was lynched.

I'm gonna answer stuff people asked me to. Oh and vig do not listen to J for vig ideas.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Oh looks like we are in twilight, don't think I'll get back in time.

Sorry guys.

 

[#HBC | J]

J, I'm curious. Why do you still feel AA is a newbie? Why does that matter in reading him? (don't worry I have a reason for asking)

Because I can only recall like 3-4 game under AA's belt. o.o But it may just be me considering my near 40 games or so heh.

It doesn't matter in reading him through his other posts but the way he reacted to Circus' vig suggestion, I could see go either way. Haven't seen anything really that scummy pointed out about his slot yet so that's kindof why I'm leaning towards not having him vigged over like that inactive list I had.

Circus, why not Acro btw?

 

[#HBC | J]

@J: Oh. I thought you were questioning him as a scum read ;-;

I thought of it like this. You unvoted Circus, who I thought you had a scumread on. Then you go "Hey Sang your last few posts makes me want to vote you". Ok, so I say OH I like that. But then I see you unvote Circus ;-; I don't think his push on me was a good reason to unvote... THAT made me think "What if J is scum with circus but not with sang?" So that's why I felt uneasy about getting on Sang.

But I didn't know it was a joke ;-; Again I thought you had a scum read on Circus. So essentially, why were you questioning him? How did that help you?

Thank you, I appreciate it.

Haha it's absolutely no problem dude. Seems just like a miscommunication. What I gained from Circus was a town-read based on the questions I asked him and how he followed up with his suspicion on you. I was questioning him to develop a read and it did help obtain a pretty strong townie one.

 

[ranmaru]

Ok I ask because I remember you stating in Inception mafia that I was NOT A NEWB after playing like... what 2 games? That was because you were scum and were trying to get reasons to push a lynch on me.

Essentially I don't see any SCARED TOWNIE from AA. I am VERY FOR AA's vig. Plz do so. He's a lurker anyways, so what's wrong with that?

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J, tell me what you think of AA going "Wtf is that claim" to my claim.

 

[ranmaru]

RR can you please give quick thoughts though, anything?

 

[#HBC | J]

So my parents are jerks and keep pushing times and dates to where I can't do anything.

Oh, DH was lynched.

I'm gonna answer stuff people asked me to. Oh and vig do not listen to J for vig ideas.

Por que a la ultima frase? (Why at the last sentence?)

Silly AP Spanish is making me wanna type is spanish. xD

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

J realmente me disgusta a algunas de sus ideas para los destinos del vigilante. (J I really dislike some of your ideas for vigilante targets. )

 

[#HBC | J]

Dammit messed up the grammar *of the spanish*. >.<" And really at the Inception thing? o.o" I thought you had played more games during that game and I didn't think I defended you based on the newbie card.

I actually don't know what to say with what AA said. It's odd and I don't know how to question it so it has me stumped. So I'm taking it as null.

 

[ranmaru]

More like

"Por que tu dise eso en el ultimo oricion"

 

[#HBC | J]

J realmente me disgusta a algunas de sus ideas para los destinos del vigilante. (J I really dislike some of your ideas for vigilante targets. )

Por que? Estas personas es muy invicible y nunca bueno vener cuando hablaron. (Why? The people are very invicible and nothing good comes when talking.)

 

[ranmaru]

Well can you give me a summary of points as to why you have Circus as town again? He's my scumread you know and I want to see what you see.

Ahahaha. Well I think it was after SC. I remember because I RVS'd you there for lynching me in SC ; ____ ;

So I think I had around 2 games

 

[ranmaru]

Anyways, sorry to distract.

RR, do you have any quick thoughts of the recent discussions?

Thoughts on AA? Soup? J? Sang?

 

[ranmaru]

One more thing. If Sang flips scum, Swiss is not scum because she pushed on him initially.

 

[#HBC | J]

More like

"Por que tu dise eso en el ultimo oricion"

I was gonna use oricion but I have been taught frase. But thanks Ran for spanish help and Circus, I have explained a bit but if you want.

- I like his push on you.
- He had the chance to continue pushing the lynch on you but he admitted that his read may be wrong and backed up why it may be wrong.
- He iirc has also looked at other placed while pushing you and holds his own opinion on things which I like to see.
- He shows intent to looking for scum instead of pushing easy MLs (i.e. he dropped his push on you and has admitted you are more towny/scummy when he could have easily kept with EBR and others that you are scum)

I mean that's off the top of my head.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

AA, is null nothing screams either town or scum to me.

Soup is null, hard to pinpoint him on what he has been saying with his stances, could go either way.

J is leaning scum, I don't like how he is going after people for minimal things. Plus I dislike his push away from you.

Sang, null I haven't look at him too much in depth and even from his few posts it's nothing one way or the other to me.

 

[#HBC | J]

One more thing. If Sang flips scum, Swiss is not scum because she pushed on him initially.

*thwack*

No. Hahaha. If you wanna play that game, you brought up Inception remember? I was the first to push X1-12 and who ultimately lynched him. He flipped scum, however, I was scum also. Logic like that doesn't add up because Sang could be pushing Swiss as a distancing/bussing technique no?

 

[ranmaru]

Well I don't think she would do that as scum.

Do you think she'd do that purposely?

 

[ranmaru]

Let me re-phrase. I mean her strongest scum read is on Swiss. Not that she was the first on him. So initially if she is scum, she would be trying to mislynch Swiss. Get me?

 

[#HBC | J]

Well I don't think she would do that as scum.

Do you think she'd do that purposely?

I know this girl better than anyone, YES she would do that. She is a lot smarter than most people have seen and she can be scary. >.>

 

[#HBC | J]

Let me re-phrase. I mean her strongest scum read is on Swiss. Not that she was the first on him. So initially if she is scum, she would be trying to mislynch Swiss. Get me?

Her strongest scum-read is DH but yeah okay Swiss is her second strongest from what I can gather.

I really don't get what you are talking about. If you are questioning if she's that bold to try and ML Swissy? Yeah she is bold. Look at my response to Swords, she doesn't know who to not p.o. and who to p.o. pretty much. Plus I really don't think she cares if you have a huge ego/huge rep, she pushes who she wants.

 

[ranmaru]

Hmmm, I see. Thank you for clarifying. I'll keep an eye on her then. What do you think she would do that we should keep a look out for?

 

[#HBC | J]

J is leaning scum, I don't like how he is going after people for minimal things. Plus I dislike his push away from you.

I don't get this sentence at all. Like as in what you mean by pushing minimal things, or how defending a town-read is bad? Oh btw, Sang's a chica.

 

[#HBC | J]

Hmmm, I see. Thank you for clarifying. I'll keep an eye on her then. What do you think she would do that we should keep a look out for?

Sooooo much WIFOM Ran with that question that I honestly cannot answer it in good conscious.

By the way you are continuously asking me about Sang, you give the impression that you have a looming suspicion of her? So do you think she is scummy? Can I get your opinion on my hand-holding buddy? :3

 

[ranmaru]

Yes I have suspicions of her. I gave a read on her way earlier. Null leaning scum on sang and July. July because of her having to re-read Sang to get a better read, but that's it. Everything else with July I'm actually ok with.

Again, my suspicion of Sang is mild. Yes, slightly. Earlier on I have stated that I didn't like she didn't follow up her interactions with Joey. She said she didn't really get anything out of it, or maybe that she did.

 

[#HBC | J]

July because of her having to re-read Sang to get a better read, but that's it.

Can you tell me how this in particular is scummy?

 

[ranmaru]

Yes. If July is scum with Sang, she'd need to re-read her to force out a town read on her. That was why I didn't like it. It's only a connection. Everything else I'm fine with her.

 

[#HBC | J]

Yes. If July is scum with Sang, she'd need to re-read her to force out a town read on her. That was why I didn't like it. It's only a connection. Everything else I'm fine with her.

That's so much WIFOM Ran yet again. Couldn't she just be town re-reading her read to make sure she has your opinion right on the slot? I mean hell, I even do that sometimes to help me.

Stoooop trying to pin the entire scum-team or based things off shallow connections. It doesn't work that way. Look at the actual scumminess in the people you are trying to look at and not if they fit a certain puzzle.

Can you update me on your scum-reads after this recent dialog? It seems like you've come to different revelations.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

This is an incredibly bizarre choice of words.

Why not 'what are your reads on Swiss and Ran?'

Arguing semantics are we? I guess it might have been because I just wanted to know who he thought was scummier out of the two of you.

I've always wanted to try this before I leave for a bit so I'm going to.

I'm proposing an alliance till D3 between Myself/July/Circus/Swords/Sang assuming we all make it there. Also known, as a massive team who is working together and I think I'm confident in these reads. Or maybe I am following theory of keeping enemies closer . Who knows with me eh? But I am calling a truce and begin working together to get what we want done. You four in?

Sure, why not. I'm comfortable enough with you all as town, or at least partial town.

Yes. If July is scum with Sang, she'd need to re-read her to force out a town read on her. That was why I didn't like it. It's only a connection. Everything else I'm fine with her.

So, if RR comes out with a town read on me after a re-read, would you think he is scummy? Is this going to be your argument for everyone that has to re-read and gets a town read on someone or just for your scum picks?

 

[Circus]

Circus, why not Acro btw?

I'd put him at mid-tier on your list. He gives me the impression he might actually have something to give (and has given a little toDay, iirc), as opposed to Raziek, AA and Gova. I wouldn't be super against Acrostic dying, but I'd rather see the other three go before him. Swiss I definitely think should live, and Joey should be replaced if Nabe can manage to make that happen.

If July's scum, I'll eat my hat.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

I know this girl better than anyone, YES she would do that. She is a lot smarter than most people have seen and she can be scary. >.>

I laughed so hard at that. ^_^

 

[ranmaru]

J and Sang: No, at the time Sang has only interacted with Joey and responded to my post and asked about my wagon. I didn't really see any townieness from that thus I would think July would do that since sang was under the radar.

Also my reads are the same. The only ones that changed I mentioned in a response to EBR. I'll go get it.

And no, I wouldn't say that for RR because now there's more content for him to base his read on.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'd put him at mid-tier on your list. He gives me the impression he might actually have something to give (and has given a little toDay, iirc), as opposed to Raziek, AA and Gova. I wouldn't be super against Acrostic dying, but I'd rather see the other three go before him. Swiss I definitely think should live, and Joey should be replaced if Nabe can manage to make that happen.

If July's scum, I'll eat my hat.

But his last post was just "ow ow ow Nabe" irrc due to being prodded. Hmm I may just drop this AA thing because I really have no reason to believe he is town but the same problem I am having is I have no reason to believe he is scum either. IMO, go Raz/Gova>AA. Swiss can live I guess after that last post maybe. Though I do wanna keep my eye on him. To be brutally honest, a vig on Swiss is always a good thing simply because he is a WIFOMy slot regardless of alignment.

I always find myself going "Is he really or is he not?" except for like two games where he was scum i.e. Discworld and KvD.

Also super super agree to your last line w.r.t. July.

I laughed so hard at that. ^_^

I bet you laughed demonically because you know it's the truth. Also yay, that's the logistics side down. Where my strongarm?

 

[ranmaru]

I'm not trying to pin the scum team. July and Sang are mild suspicions and I feel it's good to state it.