Halloween Party Mafia ~ Over! Who drowned bobbing for apples? Who won Best Costume?

[#HBC | ѕoup]

yo EBR i'm real happy for ya but i'mma let you finish but the sang v. J interaction was one the most funniest things of all time!

I commented because some parts did bother me, much like the loaded question sang gave, therefore i read the whole thing because it irked me, and decided to debunk it, the first couple of posts had alot of good stuff but then the rest just sort of turned into 'sideshow commentary' after that, and that is when i said i'll give chase and be breif to save myself from just 'side-show commentary'.

okay reading the rest of your big post

 

[Erupting Burning RYKERRR!!!]

IMO, just lighten up and play a more carefree and not come into the opinion of dredding a game with me, then you will realize you like a lot of my posts.

No.

He's town?

Why the question mark.

 

[#HBC | J]

No.

Come oooon, being so full of hate is only bad for the person hating people. Be nice! It's fun.

Why the question mark.

He asked why we aren't lynching Ran in the form of a question so I sent it back in a question too. However it's kind of a good answer for me who has him as a town read. Why the no question mark?

 

[Erupting Burning RYKERRR!!!]

You better be lucky I'm considering using meta for one of my last games. I'll go do some research since you know Soupa the best but I could swear this is just one of his antics like normal.

Interesting.

Acrostic, tell me something that only you would get from this post.

I commented because some parts did bother me, much like the loaded question sang gave, therefore i read the whole thing because it irked me, and decided to debunk it, the first couple of posts had alot of good stuff but then the rest just sort of turned into 'sideshow commentary' after that, and that is when i said i'll give chase and be breif to save myself from just 'side-show commentary'

But what did you debunk? You started off saying you didn't like the interaction and debunk it but then your debunking turned into sideshow commentary and you came out of the interaction with a TvT read. Its like halfway through you realized that you actually like the argument but then continued to try and finish it anyway despite having your mind changed.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EBR/Swords/Soupa/Ran, opinion of RR based on his posts during our back and forth.

Nul l

 

[#HBC | J]

Interesting.

Saying interesting is a scum-slip remember? IIRC you tried to have me lynched based off of that premise (or was it X1-12?).

BTW, opinion on Sang. You say you disagree with SwordScum read so you are taking his attack as a town-tell?

 

[Erupting Burning RYKERRR!!!]

Come oooon, being so full of hate is only bad for the person hating people. Be nice! It's fun.

No.

He asked why we aren't lynching Ran in the form of a question so I sent it back in a question too. However it's kind of a good answer for me who has him as a town read. Why the no question mark?

If you have him as a town read then your response should have been, "He's town" or something similar. A question mark implies doubt (hurr durr 1rst grade English).

Saying interesting is a scum-slip remember? IIRC you tried to have me lynched based off of that premise (or was it X1-12?).

I've never ever said that wtf? Are you thinking of X1 saying that "noted" is a scumslip in DKR?

BTW, opinion on Sang. You say you disagree with SwordScum read so you are taking his attack as a town-tell?

Are these two separate questions?

 

[#HBC | J]

Nul l

Do you dislike EBR moreso because of their push on you? Or do you like them more? How is it that your usual defender of your lynches is calling you out, does it seem like something Kuzi would do?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

But what did you debunk? You started off saying you didn't like the interaction and debunk it but then your debunking turned into sideshow commentary and you came out of the interaction with a TvT read. Its like halfway through you realized that you actually like the argument but then continued to try and finish it anyway despite having your mind changed.

And you're right in that regard, that's why it turned into sideshow commentary, but i continued to follow through on it, i don't understand (nor do i really care) your intention with this, it's a null-tell.

i told what i debunked, the first part was really interesting and then (like you said) the middle got really dragged on and i wanted to finish it, i basically commented as i read it.

 

[Erupting Burning RYKERRR!!!]

Do you dislike EBR moreso because of their push on you? Or do you like them more? How is it that your usual defender of your lynches is calling you out, does it seem like something Kuzi would do?

What type of question is this?

I defend Soup when he's town (people read him wrong alot) and I push him when he's scum.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'll get back to you on that question later, J, i'm talking to kuz right now as we speak.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Why is Ran town J?

 

[#HBC | J]

No.

You suck.

If you have him as a town read then your response should have been, "He's town" or something similar. A question mark implies doubt (hurr durr 1rst grade English).

~.~ Yet again, you are taking things too seriously.

I've never ever said that wtf? Are you thinking of X1 saying that "noted" is a scumslip in DKR?

Apparantly so. I could have sworn one of you two marked interesting as only a word scum-say to not give an opinion themselves and stay in the middle without answering things.

Are these two separate questions?

Yes?

 

[#HBC | J]

What type of question is this?

I defend Soup when he's town (people read him wrong alot) and I push him when he's scum.

No but seriously, what type of answer is this?

It's like you are talking from the PoV that you are always right on Soupa. If we are going by meta terms, the only time I remember you pushing Soupa as scum was DuckTales mafia and you were scum looking for that easy ML in him.

Plus it's not a question directed at you so I don't get why you are questioning it.

 

[Erupting Burning RYKERRR!!!]

BTW, opinion on Sang. You say you disagree with SwordScum read so you are taking his attack as a town-tell?

Sang is null. Sword is leaning town.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

J you're reaching and over exaggerating with that 'interesting' thing. Kuz is just playing the game, don't get upset about it.

 

[#HBC | J]

Why is Ran town J?

Explained this already my duder. ^^

Sang is null. Sword is leaning town.

Would you lynch Swiss/DH if the votes were acquired? =o Also null on Sang? Why's that, she's seeming very towny from our back and forth.

What makes this different from normal Ranmaru?(If you've explained this, i apologize but could you re-point me to that paragraph) People say to look at his intent and the intent seems to be moving the game forward/pro-town.

 

[Erupting Burning RYKERRR!!!]

No but seriously, what type of answer is this?

It's like you are talking from the PoV that you are always right on Soupa. If we are going by meta terms, the only time I remember you pushing Soupa as scum was DuckTales mafia and you were scum looking for that easy ML in him.

Plus it's not a question directed at you so I don't get why you are questioning it.

Because I've never been in a game where he was scum and thus needed to push him. Duh. Unless you're counting Marathon mafia where I pinned him as scum correctly twice.

And it was a loaded question.

Also Im running out the door now more stuff later.

 

[#HBC | J]

J you're reaching and over exaggerating with that 'interesting' thing. Kuz is just playing the game, don't get upset about it.

You didn't realize that was a sarcastic joke heh. I'm not calling him scum for that but just trying to be funny. Sue me.

 

[#HBC | J]

Because I've never been in a game where he was scum and thus needed to push him. Duh. Unless you're counting Marathon mafia where I pinned him as scum correctly twice.

And it was a loaded question.

Also Im running out the door now more stuff later.

It wasn't a loaded question? I was asking his opinion on his push on you and whether that makes you scummier or townier in his eyes. Plus he tends to revolve around meta/love you no matter what you in games, so I asking the question in a way I'd assume he would like to answer it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

kuz knows i'm just messing around with him and he's my bro, and i think i can read kuz pretty well myself too, though he did get away from me in DT.

 

[#HBC | J]

kuz knows i'm just messing around with him and he's my bro, and i think i can read kuz pretty well myself too, though he did get away from me in DT.

I really don't get that impression from him and seems like he is actually calling you scum this time.

 

[Shadow Moth]

Hooooow about a real post from you eh? You've hidden for a bit then come in to poke at EBR to post a real post? Are you hiding your real post from us? Is Swiss still your strongest scum-read? What do you think of Sang? Whaaaat about this EBR wagon? By the tone of this post, you seem to dislike them.

Tell me which wagon you would join out of Ran/EBR if the lynch was limited to just those two? (it's not exclusive but run through the hypothetical with me)

I miss Gova btw.

**** off J. Sorry the thread exploded after I went to bed but I'm at work right now and I'm not making a catchup post from my phone. As for your first paragraph, I'll respond when I get home.

The second one, I'll say ran, no contest. Explanation will come with my catchup.

 

[#HBC | J]

**** off J. Sorry the thread exploded after I went to bed but I'm at work right now and I'm not making a catchup post from my phone. As for your first paragraph, I'll respond when I get home.

The second one, I'll say ran, no contest. Explanation will come with my catchup.

Yikes. o_o Sorry for hitting a sore spot it seems with that type of reply. And thank you, i'll wait for your post.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

that's my decision to make, not kuz, and when i mean messing around i mean like when i just call him town for no blatant reason,

Spoiler

because i always wish he is town.

and for the fact i respect kuz as a mafia player and kinda look up to him, he's been somewhat of a mentor to me.

 

[#HBC | J]

that's my decision to make, not kuz, and when i mean messing around i mean like when i just call him town for no blatant reason,

Spoiler

because i always wish he is town.

and for the fact i respect kuz as a mafia player and kinda look up to him, he's been somewhat of a mentor to me.

Awww how romantic. =3c You two are definitely like a Hero/Side-kick of DGames.

That really doesn't answer my question but I'm kind of satisfied for the time being based on the response to the question.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Kuz, i'm taking your big post at face-value, it's not swaying my vote either way, once you come back i'll be sure to grit my teeth.

 

[ranmaru]

@J: It's null. Although he has been pushing me without even replying to my response to him. I also noticed he didn't answer your question about his other scum picks. I feel people tunnel sometimes and don't spread out pressure, which is fine, but I want to see him BACK IT UP. J, I also want your thoughts on Soup's quotes below. ;p

@Soup: What is your read on J, Circus, Swords, and Acrostic?

@Red Ryu: Can you please respond to my #212?

@EBR: I'm not trying to find reasons to pin people as scum. I made a mistake and thought scum didn't know their partners, therefore I looked for people defending others as scumtells earlier. I essentially thought we were playing with scum traitors. Explain to me how I 'found reasons' to pin people as scum, and explain my intention. Explain to me how it's not me looking for scum.

I am interested in your Soup read. He is null town to me, but I know Ryker can read Soup better than me. Kuz I don't know yet, but seeing as he and Soup hydra I'm sure he can to? ;o Anyways, I want your thoughts on these quotes:

alright, things are kicking back up a bit, and i've died in some games, i'm gonna focus my
attention on this game until then.
I agree with you 100% july with ran, and actually, i'm glad you agree with me too, but yes, there are some things that bother me about ranmaru, but i don't think that weighs with some other people.

a good example of that would be circus, i was fine with him until his vote on Ranmaru, and stating that he thought he found a slip on ran when he was talking about how mafia didn't know their partners, it reads reach to me in that example, but..i can't be selectively accusatory, circus probably just didn't read the thread rules, as shown that it was indeed in the thread rules, but i do have some questions pertaining to his pressure of ranmaru, which i'll get to in a moment.

i'm not sure if i like J, i would expect J to be more a presence, and would like to see him follow up on his questions.

I kinda do like my vote on SMoth, swiss influenced or not, it would be great to see him peek in here and see how he responds, because if i unvote i'm afraid he'll just continue to lurk.

circus, what i'm most concerned of is that you read ran as ran for a bit hence, your 122, but that all turns to mush after you think you're getting a mafia slip from wrt things already explained in my above post.

so, minus that whole thing, but it's trash bud, give me your read now related to his pushes on you.

alot of these votes are RVS, or atleast the ones not on ran, perhaps i am having a blind eye to the wagon, and i'm reading the people who are pressuring ran to be more town then the people not pressuring anyone or anything at all, and just have their vote idling.

that really blows what i wanna say with circus, but to be honest atleast he is doing something

unvote
Vote: EBR

EBR is right about ranmaru, and the vote is warranted, but it's just..shallow, per se, anyone else getting those vibes?

 

[Erupting Burning RYKERRR!!!]

I'm back for like 10 minutes but then I have to go to dinner with my gf and break up with her lol so if you want something answered, ask it quick.

@Ran: I can read Soup far better than Ryker. I havn't read him wrong (when I've been town ofc) once since he first started playing mafia. As for your slip, again, thats not something I'm that interested in. Its pretty suspicious, yeah, but not something I would say is a definite scum slip because coming from the mistake you made in Rusty Guillotine, I'd say this is way within the realm of possible. What I don't like is your explanation for your reads and I think most of them are simply unfounded. You're viewing the situation through one angle and getting reads out of it instead of viewing the situation more objectively. For example can you explain what you didn't like about Sword's 104. You say you liked my push on you and the direction with where I was going, but why does Sword's counter push give you a "he knows I'm town and wants to defend me to look good vibe" over "he thinks EBR is wrong and is voting him" one. On other reads, Circus comes to mind, you do the same thing. Freaking Dark Horse even points this out in 139, of all people (that sentence should be read in Stew's voice). Most of the things you call him out either aren't scummy or are based on a certain viewpoint, not objective content.

@Soup: at you looking up to me, but what does your 387 mean? You say you are just kidding around with me but you then say that I havn't convinced to go one way or the other.

 

[Erupting Burning RYKERRR!!!]

@Ran: Could you give me your updated scumpicks? I don't need much reasoning, I just want to see where you head is at.

@Soup: Read on J.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

no no, that was just some off-topic conversation with J because he asked why i'm always calling you town/never wanting you die.

i was saying i read your big post and am taking it as face-value, but the conversation between us will have more merit instead.

 

[Erupting Burning RYKERRR!!!]

Still don't know what you're talking about.

Since you made the point to comment on it in thread, what does taking that post at face value show you?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

basically that's it worthless to me, i prefer conversating with people like you, as it defines my read easier.

 

[Erupting Burning RYKERRR!!!]

Alright, lets start with J then. Tell me your read on him.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Soup: Read on J.

Town, much like he was town in the Sang argument, i feel he is reaching a bit with some of the latest stuff, and taking it all with a grain of salt, but i like J, kinda reminds me of PF J somewhat.

 

[Erupting Burning RYKERRR!!!]

I tentatively agree. I want to see if Acrostic is seeing what I'm seeing in 360.

What about Moth?

Also who do you propose we lynch today, since you have a town read on Ranmaru and I'm not getting lynched.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Soup: What is your read on J, Circus, Swords, and Acrostic?

town on Swords, reads as regular swords town, and he's got that good logic going.

Null on jerkus, providing content but unsure of motives quite yet.

Null on acrostic, hell, i haven't even read him yet.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Moth is okay, i find his vote on swiss a bit of a shock to me, but not too much of a shock, i'm taking it as just reading people in context rather then what they usually play like, and swiss is that case here, i can see this being a noobtown tell as swiss is such an ominous player.

If we're not lynching you, or ranmaru, i'd be fine with what Sang suggested, in fact, i encourage Sang to have that oppurtunity to sell if she wants to, as much as i am reading sang as town, i want to see more.

 

[Erupting Burning RYKERRR!!!]

So you're saying that you think Moth is noobtown because he attacked an ominous player? You do realize that reasoning is partly why I think you're scum, right? You've said you agree on my Ran vote at the beginning of the day and in the middle yet in the same phase you say that I'm still your number one scum pick anyway because my reasoning was shallow. More like your reasoning for voting me was shallow. You've yet to explain exactly what was wrong with my reasoning then and you've neglected to comment on my explanation for it when I clarified just recently. Instead you opt to call the entire post null despite that I've cleared up the reasoning you used to place your vote on at the start, which I dislike.

Plus his 383 doesn't seem like he's cautious of anyone, he just looks belligerent in general. That and Moth isn't a new player.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

So you're saying that you think Moth is noobtown because he attacked an ominous player? You do realize that reasoning is partly why I think you're scum, right? You've said you agree on my Ran vote at the beginning of the day and in the middle yet in the same phase you say that I'm still your number one scum pick anyway because my reasoning was shallow. More like your reasoning for voting me was shallow. You've yet to explain exactly what was wrong with my reasoning then and you've neglected to comment on my explanation for it when I clarified just recently. Instead you opt to call the entire post null despite that I've cleared up the reasoning you used to place your vote on at the start, which I dislike.

No, i'm just taking attacking swiss as noobtown, if it was anyone else, i wouldn't care, swiss has a reputation of being ominous, you know this and i know this.

on top of Swiss voting him in the first place.

I agree on your intent of it, not the vote, you explained your reasoning and then slapped a vote on it, that's fine and dandy, but were you planning on doing something with it, it's like i said, you set yourself up for a homerun and struck out, and that is why i found it shallow.