Greninja's Moveset

[ToothiestAura]

We can pretty much confirm this as Neutral Air now.

Also, another shot of his grab:

Also, an additional Taunt?

 

[OptimistNic]

I wonder if his down throw will be an Izuna Drop?

Also we can now confirm the Side-B is Shadow Sneak.

 

[Neo Zero]

Also, an additional Taunt?

I feel this is worth noting, but that pose is the same one made before they showed off his Final Smash Ragnarok Night Slash. In the video he jumps out of it while in it though, so I kind of think it might be an idle pose frame than a Taunt, but it could be either really.

 

[ToothiestAura]

I feel this is worth noting, but that pose is the same one made before they showed off his Final Smash Ragnarok Night Slash. In the video he jumps out of it while in it though, so I kind of think it might be an idle pose frame than a Taunt, but it could be either really.

Huh, I suppose it could be a bored animation. That makes sense since everyone else in the pic appears to be Idling.

 

[Jaguar360]

I wonder if his down throw will be an Izuna Drop?

As a Ryu Hayabusa main in the Dead or Alive series, if Greninja gets an Izuna in any form I will cry.

 

[Neo Zero]

Down Smash I believe

Forward Roll

 

[ToothiestAura]

Down Smash I believe

I thought that may have been Down Air hitting the ground, but looking closer it seems like it may be another attack.
Seems sort of lame for Greninja's Down Smash, though. I was expecting water effects at least.

 

[Jade_Rock55]

It looks like down air.

 

[Neo Zero]

Down Air extends the legs much farther down and has no use of his arm at any point from what we've seen. Granted we havent seen it hit the ground yet, but it seems more likely to be another move, and Down Smash is one of the few A moves we haven't seen.

 

[ToothiestAura]

Eh, I'd prefer it be his Down Air. He doesn't seem like the type for a shockwave Down Smash - he's not quite heavy enough. But maybe there are water effects that dissipated already.

 

[Neo Zero]

Perhaps it's his Up B. The Pose is similar....of course I have no idea where the water is lol.

 

[JesseMcCloud]

Down Smash I believe

Looks like an Izuna Drop. We've seen his up throw, so maybe it's his down throw?

 

[ぱみゅ]

That's NOT an Izuna drop. An Izuna drop is more like what MK/Kirby do.
Still, a throw is very feasible (Fthrow or Dthrow, I don't remember if any was already revealed).

 

[Ageha Mist]

Greninjas Bair may be like Marths Bair, where after he does it he flips the other way. This may be why people thought it was Nair

 

[AEMehr]

Seriously guys his Up Special has to be Hydro Pump. That is not Aqua Jet at all.

 

[JesseMcCloud]

That's NOT an Izuna drop. An Izuna drop is more like what MK/Kirby do.
Still, a throw is very feasible (Fthrow or Dthrow, I don't remember if any was already revealed).

It looks like an izuna drop to me, just the very tail end where the foe/victim is slammed into the ground while the ninja jumps/flips away.

 

[JesseMcCloud]

Seriously guys his Up Special has to be Hydro Pump. That is not Aqua Jet at all.

Does it really matter what we call it?
A rose by any other name, after all.

 

[AEMehr]

Does it really matter what we call it?
A rose by any other name, after all.

Yes.
Because it would follow anime logic and the anime does some pretty neat stuff with moves that you do not initially expect them to do.

Such as PROPELLING YOURSELF INTO THE AIR USING HYDRO PUMP!!

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

Don't know if this was brought up yet, but the water shuriken slams down Bowser in the trailer after it hits him a few times. It must smack down people then.

 

[ToothiestAura]

Don't know if this was brought up yet, but the water shuriken slams down Bowser in the trailer after it hits him a few times. It must smack down people then.

Yeah, someone posted a gif of it a page or two back. It seems that the final hit slams Bowser down. So it may have to be fully charged to gain the meteor effect.

 

[WolfCypher]

I think the reason Bowser was floored at the end of Water Shuriken was because of wall bounce. The attack carried him all the way to the ropes. He got carried into a wall and was floored.

 

[Jade_Rock55]

I hope water shuriken doesn't meteor since that means it's a:
Chargeable projectile
Multiple hits which allow you to hit multiple people
Meteor effect so the small hits could carry them offstage then get meteored.
It sounds to op with a meteor

 

[ToothiestAura]

I think the reason Bowser was floored at the end of Water Shuriken was because of wall bounce. The attack carried him all the way to the ropes. He got carried into a wall and was floored.

Yeah, that makes a lot more sense.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

I think the reason Bowser was floored at the end of Water Shuriken was because of wall bounce. The attack carried him all the way to the ropes. He got carried into a wall and was floored.

That actually seems to be the more reasonable case. Hey, it does push people back so that's pretty good.

 

[Sol_Vent]

anime logic

Oxymorons are fun.

I think the reason Bowser was floored at the end of Water Shuriken was because of wall bounce. The attack carried him all the way to the ropes. He got carried into a wall and was floored.

Ah, there it is. I thought it seemed weird an not very Smash-like to have a projectile meteor at the end. As much as I would enjoy a meteor on this move, a wall bounce seems like the most likely explanation.

Still, can't be sure though...

 

[AEMehr]

Oxymorons are fun.

The animations for the moves are more derived from the anime then they are from the games.

BUT SURE WHY NOT.

 

[Sol_Vent]

My reply there didn't really have anything to do with your main point.

Or anything at all, for that matter.

 

[JesseMcCloud]

Oxymorons are fun.

Kick logic to the curb and do the impossible!!

 

[FlareHabanero]

Greninjas Bair may be like Marths Bair, where after he does it he flips the other way. This may be why people thought it was Nair

His back air is preforming three quick kicks. It's main purpose appears to be used for combos.

 

[Ageha Mist]

His back air is preforming three quick kicks. It's main purpose appears to be used for combos.

I dont doubt this, I was just saying before that the reason some people may have thought his Bair was his Nair was due to the fact that it looked like Greninja was facing the opponent after executing the move. But that doesnt disprove that it was Greninjas Bair because Marths Bair has the property of flipping the other way after being executed.

Not that this matters anymore, as it seems pretty obvious that the water pulse thing is his Nair haha.

 

[Ryan.]

OP looks good. He's got a very interesting move-set, can't wait to try him out.

 

[PadWarrior]

Greninja reminds me of Guy from SF4.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

That actually seems to be the more reasonable case. Hey, it does push people back so that's pretty good.

... No, it isn't. Water Shuriken:

a) Has no KO potential
b) Is a multi-hitting move, which means it can be SDI'd out of
c) Carrying people away prevents follow-ups/set-ups. You want a projectile with hitstun to keep them close so you can follow up with something.

That said ...

a) It still seems like it can carry people, and MAY have negative SDI multipliers to make it more effective. As such, using it to carry people offstage and put them in a bad i.e. edge-guard situation seems useful.
b) Greninja seems to have insane speed and mobility so he can probably get a follow-up off Water Shuriken anyway, depending on the distance thrown and amount of hitstun suffered as well as if the move can or cannot be easily SDI'd.
c) There is a chance that Water Shuriken does not disappear when it hits a shield and all of its multiple hits strike, which would give it good shield-stun and probably let Greninja get a grab out of it easy.

It's probably not a bad projectile, but what we know of it for now has me skeptical. I just wanted to convey that the "carry away" property is not inherently useful

 

[Jade_Rock55]

At least a multi-hit projectile is different as we don't have many.It probably can't be SDI'd out of(I hope).

 

[Aninymouse]

Down Smash I believe

Forward Roll

The one that you say could be Down Smash might in fact be Dark Pulse, from Pokemon. Whether or not it's Down Smash or Down Tilt or a B move... I'll leave that to you guys.

If I'm right, I find it fitting, since Greninja is a Dark type, after all.

 

[Nintendotard]

Down Smash I believe
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I'm not sure if the purple aura like effect is from the attack itself or the effets of getting hit....but if it were to be Dark Pulse, I feel like the effects would look a lot different

 

[ToothiestAura]

The one that you say could be Down Smash might in fact be Dark Pulse, from Pokemon. Whether or not it's Down Smash or Down Tilt or a B move... I'll leave that to you guys.

If I'm right, I find it fitting, since Greninja is a Dark type, after all.

I doesn't looks very Dark. But, uh, we know all his B Moves.
B: Water Shuriken
B>: Shadow Sneak
Bv: Substitute
B^: Aqua Jet (The water quick attack)

 

[Aninymouse]

I doesn't looks very Dark. But, uh, we know all his B Moves.
B: Water Shuriken
B>: Shadow Sneak
Bv: Substitute
B^: Aqua Jet (The water quick attack)

Yeah, after you posted I remembered that Substitute was supposed to be his Down B. And his down tilt is probably the low sweeping kick. So the purple ring in question is probably part of his Down Smash, or some unknown mechanic.

 

[Jerodak]

Anyone else think of Chun-li when they saw that stomp?

 

[RouffWestie]

Anyone else think of Chun-li when they saw that stomp?

I thought of Cranky Kong actually.