Grammys Mafia - An LoD Mafia game moved to dGames

[Tom]

chibosempai, i have a SERIOUS problem with how you are playing the game. you continue to eliminate random people from the vote pool for unspoken reasons and you just keep asking

"what is the plan? A, B or C?"

you have done this all game.

"ill lynch either A, or B"

"this leaves me with two choices, 1 or 2"

"there are two possibilities, 1 or 2"

dare i say you are playing this game wrong.

you recently just doubted that omni has a post restriction, how it was "lax." no. that is dumb. he obviously has a posting restriction. we KNOW this because he ****ed it up at the beginning of the game, never using it, and xiivi had to start the game over.

i am going to vote: airgemini for now.

 

[Vyse]

Before I wasn't sure how to play with my restriction in place, but I think I'll just push forward. It'll become obvious what it is as we play when I begin to frustrate people.

There is no simple way for me to respond to this thread. In any other game I would play extremely differently (IE like a normal person), but I can't. Everything I say is carefully nitpicked. It's actually rather tricky and I'm afraid that every time I post, Xiivi is gonna warn me. I had to drop the facts that I did, I feel, because otherwise things would make even less sense.

My full opinion on everything I can think of at the moment is as follows:

I believe Omni's win condition is tied to CK. Even though Omni seems to be trying to make it completely obvious, I think this is the case. He has absolutely no reason to be trying to accuse Crimson King of anything because he is independent. I believe he's a lyncher and CK is his target.

The other thing about Omni too, is why is he defending bowser king despite the majority consensus? And bring in again, why would an independent defend someone that a number of people were accusing at the moment.

bowser king is also at the top of my suspects for all the reasons that have been said before. It's hard for me to elaborate any further than the behaviour he has exhibited throughout the thread.

Wow this thread is moving fast O_o

Steel, I don't see why your voting for me. I haven't said anything that would show that I'm mafia.

As far as I understand it, the consensus was that he was both inactive and quick to react to Steel voting for him.

Then there's the Marc vs KevinM saga:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8354350&postcount=520

It seems like Marc was pushy, but there's about as much proof as there is with bowser king.

My question to Marc is about something different though:

Mafia would probably want to kill the Jester and by not lynching Omni toDay, we're giving them room to do so. They know he's likely to get lynched on Day 2 if he doesn't die during the Night, so they also have to consider the possibility of playing for second place.

Why exactly would Mafia want to kill a jester? Unless CK is Mafia, I can't see any benefit. Looking back through the thread, that seems like an odd thing to claim.

ChiboSempai seems well guarded in what he says in my opinion. I don't know why but everything thrown his way seems to be a stab in the dark. He's asking a lot of questions and this seems to be pretty active. Nothing seems scummy to me :/ Every time he's asked a question, he answers, and I mean we can be nit-picky, but at least I don't have much issue with what he's said thusfar.

Tom's list of inactives who weren't me:

airgemini
bowserking
hilt
kaylo
mike g

Kaylo seems to have a legit excuse for being inactive. Bowserking I've already talked about. Mike g is new to the game, and he replaced Serin. Serin was inactive anyway, so it's hard to gauge him.

While Tom picks on airgemini I'm gonna pick on hilt.

Vote: - hilt -

Right after you responded to Tom's questions, Tom posted something pretty important:

theres a lot of peanut gallery going on, which is a large group of players having seemingly no opinion except for the general history of the thread and being involved in little discussion besides regurgitating what has happened. this then perpetuates more peanut gallery, because when you're not involved, you're not involving other people. this means there is a lot less scum hunting going on, because you're not forming your own opinions or asking questions, you're just agreeing with other peoples' opinions and answering questions. this then allows scum to get away with everything useless townies are getting away with.

to everyone: if you do not think you are a part of this, it might be a healthy exercise for you to respond to this suggestion, maybe even prove you're not one of the peanut gallery, NOT by citing what has happened, but by starting new things.

ask people questions. make generalizations. make broad, sweeping accusations that will develop into discussion. call someone scum and say why. nitpick something someone said. DO IT BECAUSE YOURE TOWN.

And it is true. You (like everyone else) seemed to have a lot to say about the history (and fair enough, all the questions were based on past events), but other than that one post, I can't remember you contributing to discussion at all.

Unlike bowser king and Kaylo, you also haven't placed the blame on your life getting in the way (although that's none of my business anyway), so if you are town, why aren't you taking part in discussion more?

 

[Tom]

i had no trouble reading your post at all, vyse. i also see very little sign of a restriction xD

 

[Marc]

Why exactly would Mafia want to kill a jester? Unless CK is Mafia, I can't see any benefit. Looking back through the thread, that seems like an odd thing to claim.

Because they shouldn't want to share the win either. CK already pointed out they might be approaching it differently from me though.

 

[Vyse]

Ah, I forgot there's a difference between lynching and killing. lol.

 

[KayLo!]

I still have problems with Bowser King, tbh, after going back and looking at what he's posted before. Inactivity + suspicious posts + general low level of contribution just.... seem like mafia behavior to me, and he really hasn't contributed anything to the town.

So far I'm not sure who I would vote. However, I would probably vote someone who said something that would bother me like quickly changing opinions for no apparent reason.

So far I have some suspicions but I'm not ready to vote right now.

As far as I remember, he completely forgot to list exactly who his suspicions are..... and why exactly didn't he go more in-depth at the time?

I don't think omni is mafia mainly because he's acting way to obvious.

Originally I was suspicious of Omni but after a while and seeing his posts I just think he's acting completely stupid. Plus, when I saw CK's post on him being a potential lyncher, the evidence seemed to point more towards that then a mafia.

Other than that, his posts have just been super defensive (stating over and under again why we shouldn't lynch him because he has school johns) or generally reiterating what other people have said. He hasn't actively done anything for the town, and it..... bothers me that he posts when he's prodded but still doesn't give a solid opinion on anything -- mafia behavior, much?

Dude's coasting for real, and his "I'm a newb, I dunno any better and I haz schools!!" comes off as fake and is getting kind of old.

 

[Tom]

kaylo: what makes bowserking any scummier than airgemini?

 

[KayLo!]

kaylo: what makes bowserking any scummier than airgemini?

When I posted on Bowser King, that was meant to be a standalone assessment of him, not based off of any comparisons to other people.

However, on the subject of airgemini, I hope it hasn't slipped off anyone's radar that he seems to have a posting restriction as well (dunno if it's been mentioned, sorry if I missed it):

Keep in mind you sexy boys and gals that we can joke vote by FoSing.
Otherwise people may think you're serious and make love to you while you're sleeping.

FoS: Steel.

Steel comes off as a bad bad boy atm to me and kind of stands out more than the other sexy ******* in the game so far.
But I don't know if that's enough to give him a vote just yet.

Like who, babe?

I'm starting to lean towards Omni being a good boy and not a dirty one mostly on points already stated. But how do we know he's not just making up this post restriction?

There are more examples if you guys want me to dig up more, but it seems to revolve around sexual innuendo/flirtiness from what I can see.

Anyways, I do think that airgemini is coasting and that he should post more, but so far, he's not too close to the top of my lynch list. I don't really have much of an opinion on him yet since he's been so quiet/inactive/not contributing to the town, and I look forward to hearing what he has to say for himself when it's his turn to prove he's not mafia in our quest to prod all the inactives.

 

[Omni]

Good good ketchup. I I dead knot si that.

 

[Crimson King]

and it..... bothers me that he posts when he's prodded but still doesn't give a solid opinion on anything -- mafia behavior, much?

This, this, this, this, this. While I am still uncertain of how to assess Bowser King, this sticks out like a any cliché expression ever. In essence, he said "I've been really busy, but not busy enough to post this, and I have been following along." Would it have been that much effort to at least give us a "I think xxxx is scum because. I can't be too active for school, but I am willing to state my rep on it." Or at least FOS someone just for the sake of showing some type of contribution. With Vyse, we got a lot of information on him, that I'd like to see more of, but with Bowser King, his only excuse is that he plans to stay as far back as possible. Then, again, Vyse basically said the same thing, and I can't see two mafiosos doing that strat.

So, Vyse, stop lurking/waiting until last, because that won't happen. Tell us why Bowser King or Omni or Air would make a better lynch than you. Contribute to the game, por favor.

 

[Crimson King]

Good good ketchup. I I dead knot si that.

Really? I thought it was fairly obvious. One question, Kaylo, did he ever post without it once? If so, then we have a possible fake restriction. If not, there is a very good chance he is just being careful with his restriction so as not to get killed.

 

[Tom]

im sorry, maybe i should rephrase the question kaylo...

what makes bowserking any scummier than airgemini?

 

[CT Chia]

you recently just doubted that omni has a post restriction, how it was "lax." no. that is dumb. he obviously has a posting restriction. we KNOW this because he ****ed it up at the beginning of the game, never using it, and xiivi had to start the game over

I'm confident and almost 100% sure that Omni has a post restriction. I can't imagine him making anything like this up. It's just that up to this point, almost every single word he says in his posts are either
a) duplicated, like "word word"
or
b) replaced by similar sounding words or misspelling, like "kneed dead to bee"
I haven't quite cracked the code on his restriction but everytime I think I'm onto something he says something in a post that disproves my theory. I used to think it was just replace all words with similar sounding words or misspellings, and if he is unable to with a difficult word (like "mafia" which has been said a lot), then say it twice in a row. This isnt 100% the case it seems, but it's close enough for the time being.

However in the post of his I was talking about there are a bunch of chunks that looked normal to me:

"Very, very interesting response." - I'm not sure why the words interesting and response weren't touched. Very should be easily replaced by a word like... idk, Berry, but it was said twice instead. However it wasn't exactly duplicated exactly since a comma is in the middle. Not to mention the whole sentence is a legit sentence, people use adjectives twice like that to stress a point all the time. So we need to find out why it seems that his posting restriction wasn't in place for that line. Perhaps it had to do with the post he was quoting right before that line?

"In in this earlier post, you pointy out that Marc pushy wing on BK's inactivity wasabi a bit overboard ex-con Cid duhr ring it wasabi school related; legit johns per se." - Yes it's easy to see the mixed up words here, but there are very few compared to how many words are in this snippet. "in" is dupped (duplicated, faster to type lol) but nothing is done to "this earlier post, you." "pointy" seems like a bad excuse for replacing the word point. For some reason he keeps replacing the word was with wasabi, which doesn't even sounds like was (disproving what iv thought so far about the restriction again), all it does is contain the word was at the front of it. And the very end "legit johns per se" isn't touched at all...

There's more than that throughout the post but that covers it well.

I've just been keeping an eye on Omni's posts while worrying about everything else in the game, trying to decipher this restriction if it is even possible to. And by noticing that the reply he did seemed a little lax on the restriction, I was merely noting that to everyone so either we can
A) Find out why he was able to be more lax about it. Perhaps as the days go on (real days not game days) he doesn't have to encode as much of his posts?
or
B) If it was a slip up and a bad job at encoding the post see what the penalty or implication is considering at the very beginning when he messed up Xivii restarted the game.

 

[Tom]

ck, chibo being dumb about restrictions. it doesn't matter.

 

[KayLo!]

@CK, I'll check on that now, and @Tom, after I do that, then I'll answer your question. =3

 

[Omni]

@Chibo: Dew dew knot t bee dumb. Fig your ring out out what my postoffice wing restriction well knot brrrr wing you any closer to fine wing scum. Stopsign toxic waste wing our our time and foul cause on scum aunt wing.

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[Tom]

omni shush LOL

 

[KayLo!]

ck, chibo being dumb about restrictions. it doesn't matter.

This.... seems a little suspicious to me, Tom, and has been a big reason why I've been iffy about you this entire time.

I get that you and CK are veterans in a game full of newbs, but the fact that you two seem to be teaming up, so to speak, to the point where you made the above post....... it nags at me. Why did you directly address CK only when you could have made a general statement and spoken to the town at large -- and furthermore, why do you insist on putting down inexperienced players and shooting off insults (seems like a good way to bully them into submission....) rather than helping them play the game more effectively?

I've already posted my thoughts about this Tommy boy, don't hurt me. I got paged and you might've missed it.

I answered the 4th, and 1st question in the below quote:



As for the other two I don't know about any notable lynch canidates so far. Is it possible to not lynch Omni today and have someone investigate him at night to see if he's legit Indie or not?

I don't think I should be lynched because I'm following everything and actually posting at least once everyday with something that I consider 'contributing' compared to my previous mafia games. I don't think I should be punished.

I don't get why Omni types regular in this post but not in any of the posts after this one. It's after the game started too.

This man is hiding something big.

@CK: Bolded/red parts are where I believe he's using his restriction, but compared to his other posts, these come off as particularly tame and are perhaps a marker for how lax he can go on his restriction. In general, however, no: there hasn't been a single post in which airgemini hasn't used his post restriction, so I'm leaning towards it being real rather than fake.

@Tom's question to me from before: my answer is that Bowser King has been a combination of inactive + making suspicious comments, whereas airgemini hasn't said anything particularly suspicious but is just coasting. At the moment, that's the only difference between the two that I can see, but once air posts more (which he should if he wants to avoid more votes), some similarities might pop up that will sway me more towards air being equally as scummy -- or scummier.

 

[CT Chia]

Can we get an update on who has voted for who?

 

[Tom]

i didnt address ck

if i did that, i would have said

@CK, chibo is being dumb about restrictions

but if you read the thread, you can see that both CK and Chibo are nit picking about restrictions

so it should be fairly obvious that i said

ck, chibo being dumb about restrictions

as in

they are both being dumb about restrictions

 

[Tom]

although i do agree that ck agrees with me a lot. maybe its because im right or maybe its because hes mafia or maybe both or maybe just the first one. :x only time will tell!

@Tom's question to me from before: my answer is that Bowser King has been a combination of inactive + making suspicious comments, whereas airgemini hasn't said anything particularly suspicious but is just coasting. At the moment, that's the only difference between the two that I can see, but once air posts more (which he should if he wants to avoid more votes), some similarities might pop up that will sway me more towards air being equally as scummy -- or scummier.

so basically you are saying they are the very same, only airgemini has not slipped up and said something suspicious. seeing as how this is bk's first game, and air's third, maybe that makes sense and they are the same after all? also, has bk really been that scummy? he has had pressure put on him. air hasnt.

i get the feeling that you, and others, not just you, are going after BK because he was the one who was the least active when we did a "HEY LETS LYNCH AN INACTIVE" and found his name. it feels like peanut gallery lynching.

i would rather just lynch omni xD

unvote vote omni

 

[CT Chia]

were not going to get anywhere if we keep switching who we all want to lynch...

first Ck, then omni, then BK, now your suggesting omni again?

 

[KayLo!]

so it should be fairly obvious that i said

ck, chibo being dumb about restrictions

as in

they are both being dumb about restrictions

Disregard that part, then (it wasn't that clear, fyi, so the 'tude ain't necessary), but the second part still applies -- especially now that I've seen your reply, lol.

although i do agree that ck agrees with me a lot. maybe its because im right or maybe its because hes mafia or maybe both or maybe just the first one. :x only time will tell!

................................

so basically you are saying they are the very same, only airgemini has not slipped up and said something suspicious. seeing as how this is bk's first game, and air's third, maybe that makes sense and they are the same after all? also, has bk really been that scummy? he has had pressure put on him. air hasnt.

i get the feeling that you, and others, not just you, are going after BK because he was the one who was the least active when we did a "HEY LETS LYNCH AN INACTIVE" and found his name. it feels like peanut gallery lynching.

First part is true, but the second part is super false.

I haven't voted for Bowser King (in fact, my FoS is still on Omni), nor have I voted for anybody else since I took my vote off of CK. I said I'm waiting to hear what airgemini has to say before I make a final decision on who's scummier from the two choices YOU gave me in your question, because, dude, we still have madd time left. I was just answering the question you posed to me, which was who is scummier out of the two, not who I think is suspicious in general -- and I already said my spiel on BK before was a standalone thing.

At the moment, BK is more suspicious to me, but that can still change based off of how Air reacts to the pressure being put on him now, so chiiiiill with the peanut gallery accusations.

 

[Tom]

I still have problems with Bowser King, tbh, after going back and looking at what he's posted before. Inactivity + suspicious posts + general low level of contribution just.... seem like mafia behavior to me, and he really hasn't contributed anything to the town.



As far as I remember, he completely forgot to list exactly who his suspicions are..... and why exactly didn't he go more in-depth at the time?





Other than that, his posts have just been super defensive (stating over and under again why we shouldn't lynch him because he has school johns) or generally reiterating what other people have said. He hasn't actively done anything for the town, and it..... bothers me that he posts when he's prodded but still doesn't give a solid opinion on anything -- mafia behavior, much?

Dude's coasting for real, and his "I'm a newb, I dunno any better and I haz schools!!" comes off as fake and is getting kind of old.

I haven't voted for Bowser King (in fact, my FoS is still on Omni), nor have I voted for anybody else since I took my vote off of CK. I said I'm waiting to hear what airgemini has to say before I make a final decision on who's scummier from the two choices YOU gave me in your question, because, dude, we still have madd time left. I was just answering the question you posed to me, which was who is scummier out of the two, not who I think is suspicious in general -- and I already said my spiel on BK before was a standalone thing.

At the moment, BK is more suspicious to me, but that can still change based off of how Air reacts to the pressure being put on him now, so chiiiiill with the peanut gallery accusations.

you were discussing why you found Bowser King to be scummy even before I asked you who was more scumm, BK or air. Your opinion is what prompted the question in the first place.

or am i not allowed to cite your opinions unless you voted with them? are they not your real opinions, then, if you dont act on them? garbage

 

[KayLo!]

you were discussing why you found Bowser King to be scummy even before I asked you who was more scumm, BK or air. Your opinion is what prompted the question in the first place.

or am i not allowed to cite your opinions unless you voted with them? are they not your real opinions, then, if you dont act on them? garbage

Your issue (the one I had an issue with in turn.... does that make sense?) was with "peanut gallery lynching," which implies bandwagon voting and "going after" someone, as you put it, but I never "went after" BK -- I just posted my opinion on him because a) he's one of the major topics at hand, and b) it seemed to me like people were letting him get off/slide a bit too much.

Saying that I find him scummy doesn't mean I'm gunning for his lynch (or I would have voted for him, durrdurr), especially when I've posted against CK, I've posted against Omni, and I've posted against you as well.

Cite my opinions all you want, boo, but I'm having none of that peanut gallery stuff put on me, because I've been thinking for myself this whole time.

-- and furthermore, why do you insist on putting down inexperienced players and shooting off insults (seems like a good way to bully them into submission....) rather than helping them play the game more effectively?

Repeating this question, would like an answer.

 

[Tom]

if you accuse someone of being scummy then you are going after them regardless of whether or not you vote for them. this is the only way it can be, because if we only draw connections based on voting, then mafia will simply not vote and therefore not garner any attention after mislynches.

if, when thinking about the game, i feel that you are one of the people i do not have a read on, then it will not be out of place for me to call you peanuts mcpeanutsynuts.

if i find that your opinions are the same as everyone elses, then i will say that, but i will also ask you questions and give you chances to define opinions away from the sheep norm.

if i have shot off any insults, they have been calling ideas "stupid" or people "dumb". hardly inflammatory language. if i have called you dumb or your idea stupid, i have justified it with a logical explanation afterwards or omitted the explanation because i have done it before and dont want to have to repeat myself. understood?

 

[KayLo!]

I'm hearing your logic, but I'm not convinced that you're not just extremely good at playing the bad guy.

FoS: Tom

 

[Tom]

does this look familiar?

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Too_Townie

 

[Tom]

if you are scrutinizing someone's play, and they have only done legitimate or good things, then they are most likely good. mafia will need to attack people for bad reasons, and sooner or later, you will not only disagree with them and their logic but you will find that you feel they are scummier than there recent lynch targets.

if someone seems too townie, you probably just have to adjust.

and townie is not the same as friendly.

 

[Omni]

i get the feeling that you, and others, not just you, are going after BK because he was the one who was the least active when we did a "HEY LETS LYNCH AN INACTIVE" and found his name. it feels like peanut gallery lynching.

i would rather just lynch omni xD

unvote vote omni

And and what "signs" of scum dew you half on BK? The the only sign I half scene fish you gift wing the impression that his "intentional coat ting" fish a tactic for newbies to stale silent to uh void slippers ups which fish possible but hard lee justifiable since there bar many people who fish his description (i.e. AIR).

 

[Tom]

would rather lynch you than air, sorry omni.

 

[Marc]

KayLo: Tom usually plays like this, same for KevinM. Whether you like it or not, it's not exactly scumtell. Basically comes down to how much "in character" you are. They sometimes forget they're dealing with people. =p

Unrelated to the game: RESPOND TO MY PM FOR ****'S SAKE

 

[Tom]

KayLo: Tom usually plays like this, same for KevinM. Whether you like it or not, it's not exactly scumtell. Basically comes down to how much "in character" you are. They sometimes forget they're dealing with people. =p

man are you talking about 'too townie' or insults or what

its probably a bad thing that ive got no idea whatchur talkin bout

 

[Marc]

What? I am saying you come across as a bad guy because you treat the game differently, which doesn't make you scum.

 

[Tom]

what are you saying makes me come across as a bad guy, the 'too townie' thing or the insults she pointed out or what?

 

[Marc]

The insults. You don't interact with people in the game like you normally would, while most players still follow their personal preferences regarding politeness etc.

 

[Crimson King]

Am I the only one noticing that when Tom tries to acknowledge people agreeing with him, he uses it to discredit the person and cast suspicions.

although i do agree that ck agrees with me a lot. maybe its because im right or maybe its because hes mafia or maybe both or maybe just the first one. :x only time will tell!

I understand that agreeing can be seen as scummy, BUT by the end of the day, some of us will have to agree. Kaylo, if this game had rep, I'd +rep you for taking a ton of initiative and asking great questions.

So, you've been getting a lot on Tom, so you feel any scumtells? I was interested in the Omni jump by Tom, but really, it's a smart move. BK is an iffy person, but Omni has confirmed himself to be an indie. The safer lynch is the indie.

Kaylo, my main question with the air restriction was to see if he'd be faking it. If we could find him faking it, then we'd have to probe for a reason for lying. Not sure why Tom thought that was stupid, but I guess his plan of doing nothing is going to work MUCH better.

 

[Vyse]

I'm gonna keep quoting parts of my post before til I get some answers:

@-Hilt-
My vote is on you at the moment, fyi.

Right after you responded to Tom's questions, Tom posted something pretty important:

theres a lot of peanut gallery going on, which is a large group of players having seemingly no opinion except for the general history of the thread and being involved in little discussion besides regurgitating what has happened. this then perpetuates more peanut gallery, because when you're not involved, you're not involving other people. this means there is a lot less scum hunting going on, because you're not forming your own opinions or asking questions, you're just agreeing with other peoples' opinions and answering questions. this then allows scum to get away with everything useless townies are getting away with.

to everyone: if you do not think you are a part of this, it might be a healthy exercise for you to respond to this suggestion, maybe even prove you're not one of the peanut gallery, NOT by citing what has happened, but by starting new things.

ask people questions. make generalizations. make broad, sweeping accusations that will develop into discussion. call someone scum and say why. nitpick something someone said. DO IT BECAUSE YOURE TOWN.
And it is true. You (like everyone else) seemed to have a lot to say about the history (and fair enough, all the questions were based on past events), but other than that one post, I can't remember you contributing to discussion at all.

Unlike bowser king and Kaylo, you also haven't placed the blame on your life getting in the way (although that's none of my business anyway), so if you are town, why aren't you taking part in discussion more?

@Omni:

The other thing about Omni too, is why is he defending bowser king despite the majority consensus? And bring in again, why would an independent defend someone that a number of people were accusing at the moment.

The thing I don't get is, if you think he isn't scummy, you should let him defend himself rather than defend him. Because if he is scum, it'll tell eventually.

 

[Omni]

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[Tom]

Omni, what is your win condition?