Global Character Guides - Marth

[Virgilijus]

Hello Marth Boards. Ah, I haven't made a thread in here for a while. Well, necessity calls. Recently, I've been wanting to implement a somewhat universal guide/sticky system for the character boards and decided that now was about the time.

Every individual character board is quite different and many are truly contrasting. Seeing as how I'm tasked with encouraging discussion and help throughout the boards, I thought that maybe encouraging some similar layouts on each board would help new people (or board hermits) that eventually strolled into other boards. Not that they would get lost, but just that it would be easier and the process alone would be gratifying.

So with that, I'm here for a proposition (not of that kind, you dirty minded rascals): a reformatting and update of the character guide, if it needs one. We have a lot of decent threads here and most of them are kept updated...but some are a little redundant or can at least be combined/integrated with other threads.

So for those of you that don't want to read: I would like to try to get every character board to clean up and organize their character board guides/stickies. Some are fine as is. Others...not so much. I'm asking this for a shot of dialogue and cross communication throughout the boards as well as making the stickies less cluttersome.

Also, we can institute other threads we may deem important. All depends on you guys.

So, what do you guys say? This is all voluntary. Just wanted to try to spruce the boards up a bit. If you have any opinions or questions, I'd be happy to hear them and more than joyed to try to implement any ideas you guys agree upon.

 

[Asimio]

Woah, that Pikachu guide looks awesome. We need a good complied version of our guides like that one.

I don't understand how this applies to the Marth boards, I mean there are separate guides in separate threads which have been compiled in the guides thread. Other than someone making a completely new guide and integrating all that there is in the guides thread into it, what else can be done?

 

[Virgilijus]

Just a general reorganizing: making it a little more friendly and easier to navigate. Not that necessarily the Marth boards need a complete overhaul, but other character boards do.

 

[Pr0phetic]

Just a general reorganizing: making it a little more friendly and easier to navigate. Not that necessarily the Marth boards need a complete overhaul, but other character boards do.

We still need a solid Beginner's Guide, eveyrone who proposed to make one hasn't delivered yet. A new user-friendly Global Guide would be awesome.

 

[Virgilijus]

Do we have any people that would be willing to take the initiative on working on that/compiling it?

 

[Reizilla]

I'd do it if I didn't suck.

 

[Pr0phetic]

Do we have any people that would be willing to take the initiative on working on that/compiling it?

I guess I could try, since I'm the DL *flexes muscles*

 

[Virgilijus]

Well, it can also be a collaborative effort. That would actually make it a lot easier and more encompassing that way.

 

[feardragon64]

I get what you're saying virg but what's wrong with this again?

Start at the top and work your way down. It's better than reading one giant thread that goes on for like 20 pages.

I get what you're saying but trying to encompass all the material located in multiple threads into one thread....it's not going to work too well. It would either take months and months or it would leave out a bunch of info.

 

[Virgilijus]

It's not that the compilation thread is messy...it's just that are the threads it links to updated/correct for the current metagame?

 

[Remzi]

It's not that the compilation thread is messy...it's just that are the threads it links to updated/correct for the current metagame?

For the most part, yes. There are some things missing, but about 80% of the things on there are legit.

 

[feardragon64]

How about we just go through each thread and decide which ones are outdated?

Or even better, if they author of the thread is still around, update it?

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Well, it can also be a collaborative effort. That would actually make it a lot easier and more encompassing that way.

I believe someone one tried this and got flamed to high hell for it.

 

[KayLo!]

I get what you're saying but trying to encompass all the material located in multiple threads into one thread....it's not going to work too well. It would either take months and months or it would leave out a bunch of info.

The Pika guide only took a month, tops, to put together from scratch..... just throwing that out there. Speaking as the one who edited it all together, if everyone works together and delivers within a reasonable amount of time, I can say for sure that it's not hard at all.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

The Pika guide only took a month, tops, to put together from scratch..... just throwing that out there. Speaking as the one who edited it all together, if everyone works together and delivers within a reasonable amount of time, I can say for sure that it's not hard at all.

Pfft this the Marth boards they're too 1337 to work together.

 

[Zankoku]

I'm quite sure the Marth boards would be fine with working together.

(just as long as it doesn't involve working with you)

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

I'm quite sure the Marth boards would be fine with working together.

(just as long as it doesn't involve working with you)

You guys made that all to clear already.

 

[Shaya]

There's not enough time in a month year to write as much as just myself, pierce and neo know about marf :| (not saying we're all the most knowlegable marths either)

 

[feardragon64]

Neo doesn't write about Marth. What?

Or at least not here.

 

[Shaya]

Doesn't mean he isn't aware of things.

 

[Pr0phetic]

Doesn't mean he isn't aware of things.

if you were to review his posts, he has actually given a few tidbits of advice, he can do it.
If you guys all wanna talk about and discuss it, I'm game.

 

[BacklashMarth]

Doesn't mean he isn't aware of things.

Neo could be aware of a truck about to rear-end me and i still wouldnt expect him to inform me about it XD. In any event, if the pika boards can do it in a month, we can do it in a week. I'm teaming with Rukkiko on this one.

Spoiler

GOLD TEAM RULEZ!!!

 

[Virgilijus]

OK, now that we have some interest:

Who wants to volunteer for what things? Just a warning, large posts and formatting take a long time, so it might be best to tackle those with two people.

 

[Pr0phetic]

I'd like to team with one of our pros/senior members, so I can learn while I work =P

Yeah NEO, I'm calling you out gramps.

 

[feardragon64]

^Oh god, the guide is going to get deleted in like an hour for censor dodging.

 

[BacklashMarth]

Neo could be aware of a truck about to rear-end me and i still wouldnt expect him to inform me about it XD. In any event, if the pika boards can do it in a month, we can do it in a week. I'm teaming with Rukkiko on this one.

Spoiler

GOLD TEAM RULEZ!!!

I'd like to team with one of our pros/senior members, so I can learn while I work =P

Yeah NEO, I'm calling you out gramps.

O I C whut u did thar.

 

[Albert.]

(yeah Backslash I noticed that too >_<)

alright
I have never said anything in this thread before but I actually want to contribute. I have learned a lot on these boards and I enjoy the people. I want to give back!

So with this guide I will gladly edit/format or anything like that. I will go through and correct any grammar/spelling mistakes and/or just polish it up. I have edited tons of stuff before and my Mom is an english professor so it rubs off on me. I want to help!

 

[Tennet]

I'll read through the guide when it is posted and slowly memorize most of it -__-

Edit: I could collect information from various places due to the amount of lurking and things I do everyday, I would like to contribute somehow. I needs moar knowledge.

 

[feardragon64]

I'll read through the guide when it is posted and slowly memorize most of it -__-

Or just go through the stuff we have now and start working on that.

I know people prefer big *** guides but honestly I think lots of shorter posts about things are better. A bit less organized? Maybe. But how much do you honestly think new players are taking away from reading the big *** guide. Then after they've read it and gone over it like 4 or maybe even 5 times, what are the chances they'll read it again and again until they pick up everything there is to know. Most people will try and cram the info and then implement fifty thousand things into their game at once. That's why threads on one specific topic are so great. It teaches you one, or maybe just a few concepts. But it's a complete concept and people are more likely to

Just an example but Steel made a long *** like 5 page thread or something some time ago. He asked people to look over it and give comments. 2 weeks later he'd gotten like a hundred "nice job steel" and like 2 feedback comments. Why? Cause either people weren't reading it cause it was so **** long or they read it all and probably stopped taking in information after like the first quarter of it.

It's like in melee. If you tell people to SHFFL, they'll try and SHFFL and get frustrated. If you tell people to SH, they can do it. Then tell them to FF. Then tell them to SHFF. Then tell them how to L cancel. Then tell them to SHFFL. Could they automatically break it down on their own? Yes. Will most? Probably not.

Anyways, that's just how I feel about big *** guides. I like short threads devoted to each concept. In some ways, it makes the thought process more organized when trying to incorporate things into your game. But I know most of what I'm saying people will disagree with. Sa'll good. That's just how I feel about it.
/rant

 

[Tennet]

We could make a thread like the Table of Contents thread and make a thread for each point and link them in guide like fashion, that would make it easier to take in at a time, and people like fear would be satisfied.

 

[Doomblaze]

I dont contribute anything worthy on the boards either, mainly because someone before says everything i have to offer or i just dont know as much, but i have read all the guides and matchup threads on the boards and I now know most of the theory behind marth, even if I dont have tournament experience and the like.

This seems like a good project for me to help with because Ive lurked more than posted since i joined back around 07, im like Tennet in that sense, and I could help him with collecting information no problem since than needs to be done to help organize our information.

Fear brings a very good point in that we need to decide how to organize our threads by information and length such that newbs and veterans alike can learn something new, and im sure that many of us experienced his example of trying to SHFFL all at once and getting really frustrated with it, lol, I definetely did w/ wavedashing anyway.
I personally dont care about the length of the threads since im an avid and very fast reader, but we need everybody's opinion on this so we can know for sure what everybody is comfortable with reading and what helps them the most.

I dont think that we should copy the Pika guide style, but it is very good and at least gives us a benchmark to start at. Can we do this in a week? lets find out!

 

[feardragon64]

Last thing to add to my mini-rant.

Whoever makes this guide, please tell the noobs who read it that it's absolutely useless to read the guide if you don't actually play. Took me forever but I realized a few months ago why junk always told people to get off the forums and go play. Theory is cool and all, but if you're looking to improve your game, go play and IMPLEMENT the theory. Thinking you can figure everything out then go play a perfect game is just ignorant. You need some actual experience.

 

[Tari]

*Took a break from Smash boards and comes back to completely random stuff like znb's post in EL's emo moment*

(I actually went.. "wow"..)

Anyways, if we're gonna do this, I'm all for it. I've wanted to see a beginners guide to Marth for a long time, especially because I feel like it'd be so much easier to just reset how I play my Marth and start from scratch; working my way up to how pro players play.

I'm in.

 

[majinvegeta010688]

ok i know that i never post on the boards or contribute but as a marth player i'd like to add my help in giving a suggestion:

i've noticed that there are multiple discussions, guides, and stratagies for fighting meta knight and each one has some different info and when i say that i mean the all tell you to do different things to do when fighting meta knight so could someone fix this problem

i ask this because it will help organize some things and beacuse it is confusing getting different info from many places on the board

so can someone please do this

 

[Pr0phetic]

Basically Pierce's guide is the most up to date, but I can understand your gripe.

 

[majinvegeta010688]

Basically Pierce's guide is the most up to date, but I can understand your gripe.

well you see, some of the info on like range of marth's attacks aginst meta knight are different i think on one it says that the jab outranges all of mk's moves but then the other says that the only attack that out ranges mk's moves is the shield breaker


this is confusing and can be very angering

so what i suggest is that the best players on the marth boards revamp that match up specificly because that is by far probably the hardest match up for marth

also there are no range statistics for mk vs marth at all so that is something that should be added because it is nice to know

also that guide doesn't give you any strategy it gives you situations to react though that is good to know you kinda need both and they have to all be up to date

 

[Pr0phetic]

Well, we're in the process of forming our clean-up. I'm still looking for someone (cough *a pro* cough) to help me write the beginners guide, just for slight guidance

 

[Tari]

Well, we're in the process of forming our clean-up. I'm still looking for someone (cough *a pro* cough) to help me write the beginners guide, just for slight guidance

Pick me, pick me.

Seriously though;

Advice on the beginners guide? Pretend like the person reading knows nothing about Marth and is just starting to play any form of video games. <<;

 

[WhitePrince]

Personally I like the idea of a marth guide but i also agree with fear dragon on the longness of it. I thought that maybe we could like take a real long guide and separate it into parts that focus on separate things like 1 thread on the moveset. One on approaching. etc and make a thread that contents it. I know its like the guides collection and all but it be more organized and focusing on how to start using marth and not particular matchups.

 

[Snype]

I can help I know alot about Marth so maybe if the spot is not filled i'll fill it.